2016 WXV Awards and 2016 Rules Discussion

[JBs-Hawks]

Seouls coaches award goes to the centrepiece of our defense and the consistency to helped us push hard for our first finals campain. Nick Haynes a great year in defense boosting his average from 68 to 85!

[Holz]

I'd have more ancients than just about anyone and I don't mind having to pay top dollar for Boyd, Mitchell, Joey etc. It's good to see that Holz is being totally selfless and looking out for Christchurch though.

You also have loads of rookies. Dublin is fine under either cap so i dont care but  i think if your forcing a cap then valuing Lists at real worth is less damaging to the comp

[meow meow]

I'd have more ancients than just about anyone and I don't mind having to pay top dollar for Boyd, Mitchell, Joey etc. It's good to see that Holz is being totally selfless and looking out for Christchurch though.

You also have loads of rookies. Dublin is fine under either cap so i dont care but  i think if your forcing a cap then valuing Lists at real worth is less damaging to the comp

Put up some figures if you're so keen on overpricing youth. Nobody will vote for something without some facts and figures.

[RaisyDaisy]

What are peoples thoughts on a dollar value per player impacting peoples opinions and valuations?

Right now it's cap points, and nobody cares about the value of them. As long as they stay below the cap that's all we care about, but with a dollar value attached to every player I think that is going to add an additional perceived value during the trade negotiations

Eg a trade might have been 1-1 because nobody cares about cap points when evaluating the worth of the player, but now we might find instances where coaches are saying 'ok, but my player is worth more $ and I want something extra now to  match the value'

If the dollar value is introduced, 3 years has too much of a say good and bad. Cap is based off previous 12 months so dollar value has to be the same, with a caveat for players who missed large chunks

[Holz]

I'd have more ancients than just about anyone and I don't mind having to pay top dollar for Boyd, Mitchell, Joey etc. It's good to see that Holz is being totally selfless and looking out for Christchurch though.

You also have loads of rookies. Dublin is fine under either cap so i dont care but  i think if your forcing a cap then valuing Lists at real worth is less damaging to the comp

Put up some figures if you're so keen on overpricing youth. Nobody will vote for something without some facts and figures.

i dont have the calcualtions for most of the salary caps. Oz only gave the top 20.

however

A Treloar $684,000
J Selwood $733,000

it seems only a small difference but Selwood is 7% more valuable comapred to treloar when in reality treloar is far more valuable. i dont think one person in the comp would prefer selwood to treloar.

I dont have numbers for the values of Bont, Coniglio, Hopper, Grundy.

let alone the fact that

that a 95 average 34 year old mid who has gone 100 95 95  in his last 3 years would be worth more than a guy like Rory Laird.

[Holz]

What are peoples thoughts on a dollar value per player impacting peoples opinions and valuations?

Right now it's cap points, and nobody cares about the value of them. As long as they stay below the cap that's all we care about, but with a dollar value attached to every player I think that is going to add an additional perceived value during the trade negotiations

Eg a trade might have been 1-1 because nobody cares about cap points when evaluating the worth of the player, but now we might find instances where coaches are saying 'ok, but my player is worth more $ and I want something extra now to  match the value'

If the dollar value is introduced, 3 years has too much of a say good and bad. Cap is based off previous 12 months so dollar value has to be the same, with a caveat for players who missed large chunks

the point is the cap should reflects a players worth. So we shouldnt be capping the output of the team but the strength of the team. plus if there is a difference and you have these 3 old mids who are putting you over the cap and nobody wants them.

the only teams who want them are close to the cap and cant take them and its not like you can go to pacific and go hey Swan + Hidge for Bont lets deal.

again what is the point of this cap. how does it equalize the comp.  Meow you wanted me to give examples, i want one example of how it has equalized the comp.

and not examples of pacific or ndt or beijing. because those improvements were made by quality coaching with good trades and good drafting like bont.

the cap just atrifically arguments values even more. It means players leaving their prime are now even less valuable and guys about to enter the prime is far more valuable.

[Holz]

the comp is equal anyway, just ensure we keep having quality coaches and draft good players. You pick up guys like Tom Boyd using pick 1 then trade young guys like Rocky (few years back) for even younger guys with potential then you dont deserve to compete.

Much like Melbourne did with toumpas etc... but now good coaching has brought them up not artificial equalization.

[JBs-Hawks]

Shut the flower up with your continual bashing of Boyd, hindsight is a wonderful thing and what if he turned out like Buddy would you still be bashing him and hes still super young!

[Holz]

Shut the flower up with your continual bashing of Boyd, hindsight is a wonderful thing and what if he turned out like Buddy would you still be bashing him and hes still super young!

at the time it wasnt a bad move but i doubt it would be made again given the sample size of 5-6 drafts. Cant fault for taking him back then but if people took it now then thats where criticism should come. For example schace went pick 9 last year.

Boyd is the example not Seoul.

You drafted Oliver at 6 that was a very good pick, i really should have taken him at 5.
Lovell at 16 was again another very good move.
Daniel at 18 was a very very good move


those great draft picks will be the reason you move up the ladder, not any cap. Just keep up the great drafting from 2014 2015 and its inevitable. 

[meow meow]

Taking Tom Boyd is never a bad move.

You might say that taking WHE at 8 in the first international Draft was a bust, but I say he's still got a decade to prove it wasn't. Not every player can be like Bont and become the best player in the AFL at age 20. It took Kade Simpson 3 games to get a disposal.

[Holz]

Taking Tom Boyd is never a bad move.

You might say that taking WHE at 8 in the first international Draft was a bust, but I say he's still got a decade to prove it wasn't. Not every player can be like Bont and become the best player in the AFL at age 20. It took Kade Simpson 3 games to get a disposal.

the thing is do you draft them or do you trade them in later.

like in your WHE example he has been traded for alot less then pick 8 since. So if he does turn into a gun then the person who trades them in benefits not the guy who drafted him.

[meow meow]

Taking Tom Boyd is never a bad move.

You might say that taking WHE at 8 in the first international Draft was a bust, but I say he's still got a decade to prove it wasn't. Not every player can be like Bont and become the best player in the AFL at age 20. It took Kade Simpson 3 games to get a disposal.

the thing is do you draft them or do you trade them in later.

like in your WHE example he has been traded for alot less then pick 8 since. So if he does turn into a gun then the person who trades them in benefits not the guy who drafted him.

He was supposedly the difference between Shuey (gun) and McVeigh (spud gun).

Where's my flowering compo? You cows were meant to neg uneven trades but you let people rip me off time and time again. I'm shower at trading and you're creating an uneven comp by sending Christchurch to the bottom with your inactivity when negging, and now your inactivity in regards to compo. 

[GoLions]

#ScrapTheCap

[meow meow]

Pick 2, 26, 46 for Watson and 12 (traded with Scully (gun) for Stevens and Trengove)

Zorko for Griffen and Corey Ellis.

Shuey for McVeigh and WHE.

You're failing in your duty. Compo.

[Holz]

Pick 2, 26, 46 for Watson and 12 (traded with Scully (gun) for Stevens and Trengove)

Zorko for Griffen and Corey Ellis.

Shuey for McVeigh and WHE.

You're failing in your duty. Compo.

you got pick 2 for a steal though.

you also got Zorko for Roughy + 21 so big win there.