2016 WXV Awards and 2016 Rules Discussion

[ossie85]

But... with tagging, I don't like it being tied to tackles either.

It should be just:

- You select a player as a tagger, and choose a player to tag. That player loses 50% of its score, and the tagged player loses 40%.

So Brad Ebert is a tagger for Mexico City and scores 90 minus 50% = 45. He tags Rory Slaone who scores 120 minus 40% = 72. Ebert's tag is only JUST effective.

It is a tactic that can easily back fire, but if it works can have a huge impact.

[Ringo]

Do not mind it either way. The Salary seems a little bit fairer though but biased as London comes out very well with Salary compared to points.

Like the ruck OOP rule.  We have had to play OOP since Sinclair went down and if we had this rule had a few players over 190cm we could have used.

Not fussed on the tagging rule.   

[RaisyDaisy]

But... with tagging, I don't like it being tied to tackles either.

It should be just:

- You select a player as a tagger, and choose a player to tag. That player loses 50% of its score, and the tagged player loses 40%.

So Brad Ebert is a tagger for Mexico City and scores 90 minus 50% = 45. He tags Rory Slaone who scores 120 minus 40% = 72. Ebert's tag is only JUST effective.

It is a tactic that can easily back fire, but if it works can have a huge impact.

Prefer my suggestion of whether the person being tagged hit their average or not to decide who wins the tag

I am not a fan of these massive % deductions too

[Holz]

What will Mexico City have to do?

1. Hang on to all their old guys
2. Hang on to all their prime age players
3. Invest in youth.

They'll have to pick 2 of them. That's what.

Maybe they choose 1 and 3, then trade Bennell to a lowly club for a great pick.

Maybe they choose 1 and 2, then trade Papley, Hewett and Davis so Cairo don't have OOP mids but accept that they'll be shower later on.

Maybe they choose 2 and 3, then trade a Goddard to a mid team like Seoul so they can rise and challenge for the flag.

thank you for addressing it.

so 1 and 3 is probably the best move for them as they are pushing for a flag. It does mean that when the fall they will fall hard and then be on the bottom for a long time if the pick doesnt pay off. I have said the cap pushes teams this way and its what people historically do.

2 and 3 would be the same as above but again cause more damage when they fall.

Chossing 2 and 3 is the only option that potentially could help the comp. the issue is that in the past teams have not wanted to pick up guys like goddard going the youth option so 2-3 which is best for the comp was partly or largely to blame from the bottom teams.


therefore if there if we go with Ossies rule and 5% over the average is the cap then teams must be above $10,216,000 (or 95% of the cap).  so the Dillos are $1.57M under the cap, Royals are $1.02 under the cap and Cairo are $576,000 and these teams must trade aggressively to improve their teams.

If they do this picking up the likes of Goddard etc.. then its great for the comp.

[meow meow]

NDT proved that no team has to stay on the bottom for a long time if they're good coaches. No other team will ever come from as far back as they started.

I've told people in trade talks that I'd trade Gibbs for Goddard and a good pick. If London or Tokyo got their hands on him, and packaged him with a pick that'd go a long way to seeing them rise immediately. Good for the comp.

[Holz]

NDT proved that no team has to stay on the bottom for a long time if they're good coaches. No other team will ever come from as far back as they started.

I've told people in trade talks that I'd trade Gibbs for Goddard and a good pick. If London or Tokyo got their hands on him, and packaged him with a pick that'd go a long way to seeing them rise immediately. Good for the comp.

we finally agree.

NDT moved up the ladder because of 3 reasons.

1. Rico and Ele can analyse talent.
2. Rico and Ele werent afraid to pick up older players like Stef Martin.
3. They had good draft picks.

equalization is not about bringing the top down its about bringing the bottom up.

in the past though Gibbs a player turning 27 would be deemed too old for a bottom team.

[meow meow]

Pretty much all teams in the comp have had to pick 2 of the 3.

Those that go with 2 and 3 seem content to bide their time. They made their choice and don't deserve excessive handouts. They're playing the long game and their time will come.

What the cap does is create an even comp where no team can go all out and choose all 3 options, thus creating opportunities for other teams to capitalise if it suits their method. Mexico City aren't being punished for being good, they're just being given a choice like every other club in this comp.

[Holz]

Pretty much all teams in the comp have had to pick 2 of the 3.

Those that go with 2 and 3 seem content to bide their time. They made their choice and don't deserve excessive handouts. They're playing the long game and their time will come.

What the cap does is create an even comp where no team can go all out and choose all 3 options, thus creating opportunities for other teams to capitalise if it suits their method. Mexico City aren't being punished for being good, they're just being given a choice like every other club in this comp.

A team can only have old players, have gun player and youth players if they are better coaches over a number of years. the draft means they have the worst picks in the drafts and the other coaches have an advantage in the rebuild.

the example is the 2013 draft.

2nd pick: James Aish (Beijing)
27th pick: Zach Merrett (PNL)

now we look and say wow PNL have this 108 average fwd, looks how they have been able to stockpile talent.

Beijing look great and up and coming but they miss just some of the star power that the top teams like PNL have.

at the end of the day its just about who you pick.

Seoul just missed finals in the 2013 draft they had Pick 1, Pick 7, Pick 16, Pick 28 and Pick 36.

They took Thomas Boyd, Josh Kelly, Christian Salem, Taylor Duryea, Jared Jansen

lets say instead they chose Kade Kolodjashnij, Marcus Bontempelli, Patrick Cripps, Michael Apeness, Jake Kolodjashnij

[meow meow]

Mex have guys like Ivan and Cooney who will probably retire so their salary cap issue isn't as bad as it looks. I doubt they'd have to destroy their team to get under. JROO is good at what he does.

I'll agree with you on one thing though: Tom Boyd is pretty much useless.

[MajorLazer]

Nope I hate it all

[DazBurg]

i still vote for the loyalty discount and lets back date it :P :P :P

[Levi434]

If the salary cap is introduced how about an "opt out" option?

Lets just use an example:
Meow signs Bryce Gibbs to a 5 year deal for $5mil expecting him to average 105.
If for some reason Gibbs is unable to fulfill his duties due to injury, suspension or otherwise, meow has the option to opt out of the current contract and release Gibbs to be traded or free agented.

Basically lets say if a player misses 60% of games within their first 2 seasons AND/OR a player drops their average by over 30 points over their first 2 season you can opt out.

I just made up some numbers here but we can modify them later.

[Nige]

Nope I hate it all

[RaisyDaisy]

If we're contracting players, meaning we need to negotiate contract lengths, salary, payout figures etc then I'm out sorry

Way too time consuming

[Purple 77]

I reckon contracts and stuff and poaching is probably a 2017 discussion IMO

But that's not to discourage discussion by all means.