2016 WXV Awards and 2016 Rules Discussion

[GoLions]

I think I heard someone earlier suggesting that we should scrap the cap?

Sounds like something a chump would say

Yes GL, a chump

;)

Nah, don't think it was MyChumps :P

[DazBurg]

Daz, I think you're confused, The cap/salary has nothing to do with trading and a players worth from that perspective

i know it is separate
(and i did drift from M2's one and ossman one so not really good explaining at all)

but under the cap proposal

Dane swan will be 90% of 105
at his age with that injury even if he does play on
bloody good effort to get anywhere near that cap at all

so my point is no one would value to him at the price weather it be trade or in general
why then should we be charged fort hat price?

and then i was saying i can see where holz is coming from if we take 3 year averages for their price/cap

as someone like swan, sandi, NDS
will be worth more then Bont, shiel, zerrett, docherty

but no one would rate then as less value in trade or list terms

but back onto charging for injury
you'd have to give a bigger discount for missing over 15 games or something imo

M2 is saying it you should have 2 josh hill's equal 1 dangerfield

but in saying that with swan or sandi missing so much football those 2 josh hill's at least score towards a team total

(again we will still be under the cap so i'm not saying this in a reaction cause i'm worried or anything)

just saying there has to be some line there

as a base model lets us Libba

you had him when he was injured and missed the year

prior to injury he averaged (110.4)
so by that margin whoever had him/ended with him would pay (99.36)
but this year back and playing his averaged 90.8

so my point of a bigger discount if it was a 20% discount he would of been charged at 88.32 which is a lot closer to what he actually did score then 10%

[Nige]

I think I heard someone earlier suggesting that we should scrap the cap?

Sounds like something a chump would say

Yes GL, a chump

;)

I don't recall My Chumps having much input?

[meow meow]

You gave up pick 15 for Swan two years ago and want a first round pick for him? shower, may as well trade in all the old guys for 2 years then sell them for the same price two seasons later. There's this thing called depreciation m8.

I'm happy to pay 90% for Sandi. If you're judging him by his output this year you're crazy. Hasn't played for 15 weeks, hasn't trained properly either. I'll get what I pay for next year.

[DazBurg]

You gave up pick 15 for Swan two years ago and want a first round pick for him? shower, may as well trade in all the old guys for 2 years then sell them for the same price two seasons later. There's this thing called depreciation m8.

I'm happy to pay 90% for Sandi. If you're judging him by his output this year you're crazy. Hasn't played for 15 weeks, hasn't trained properly either. I'll get what I pay for next year.

that is exactly my point

his not worth that at all
so why should he be valued on the cap as such?

[RaisyDaisy]

I think I heard someone earlier suggesting that we should scrap the cap?

Sounds like something a chump would say

Yes GL, a chump

;)

I don't recall My Chumps having much input?

I can feel the Cairo love, sticking up for each other :P

It wasn't a reference to MyChumps

And Daz, you're confusing the flower out me lol

We shouldn't have been able to carry Libba at 0 and not impact our cap. That's the problem with the current cap, so you with Swan, Cairo with Beams etc need to have them taking up cap space and not rorting like we did with Libba

[GoLions]

I think I heard someone earlier suggesting that we should scrap the cap?

Sounds like something a chump would say

Yes GL, a chump

;)

I don't recall My Chumps having much input?

I can feel the Cairo love, sticking up for each other :P

It wasn't a reference to MyChumps

Dw RD, I got the reference :P

[RaisyDaisy]

You gave up pick 15 for Swan two years ago and want a first round pick for him? shower, may as well trade in all the old guys for 2 years then sell them for the same price two seasons later. There's this thing called depreciation m8.

I'm happy to pay 90% for Sandi. If you're judging him by his output this year you're crazy. Hasn't played for 15 weeks, hasn't trained properly either. I'll get what I pay for next year.

that is exactly my point

his not worth that at all
so why should he be valued on the cap as such?

He's not valued as a 1st rounder, but to suggest that he should be heavily discounted in your cap is ridiculous. You drafted him and paid what he is worth, but he got injured which is just bad luck and part of the game, but you shouldn't get massive cap relief because of that. Meow's model is perfect and fair

[DazBurg]

I think I heard someone earlier suggesting that we should scrap the cap?

Sounds like something a chump would say

Yes GL, a chump

;)

I don't recall My Chumps having much input?

I can feel the Cairo love, sticking up for each other :P

It wasn't a reference to MyChumps

And Daz, you're confusing the flower out me lol

We shouldn't have been able to carry Libba at 0 and not impact our cap. That's the problem with the current cap, so you with Swan, Cairo with Beams etc need to have them taking up cap space and not rorting like we did with Libba

yeah i'm more saying if it is to be brought it should be a bit bigger then 10%
(maybe not the 20% i used in the libba example as that would put beam at 90 ave and swan at 84
but say 15% puts beams at 96 ave for season and swan at 89)

if we want it to count to be fair we also have to take into account the fact they missed so much hurt as well

[DazBurg]

how many games was it before they take the previous year average?

[RaisyDaisy]

if we want it to count to be fair we also have to take into account the fact they missed so much hurt as well

I think the discount does that, and is a lot better than using the previous 3 years as suggested with the salary

[DazBurg]

if we want it to count to be fair we also have to take into account the fact they missed so much hurt as well

I think the discount does that, and is a lot better than using the previous 3 years as suggested with the salary

yeah that was one i really didn't like (tried to explain both in one post was where it got confusing and i rambled from one to the other...lol)

[DazBurg]

wait i re-read M2's post

100% of this years score/ 90% of last years score if it is higher.

so regardless of injury they are charged on the higher year?

or was that just for injured?
and if so again how many game splayed before it takes into account?
(i.e was it a bad year change of position or what exactly)

[Adamant]

It was a two-horse race for Toronto's coaches award this year. Jack Watts told his critics to shove it, finally putting it all together for a career-best 85.6 average. But in the end there can only be one man to take out the honours.

In a backline where our second best defender averaged a mere 66, along with plenty of other rubbish, some serious stability was needed. To say this man has been a rock in defence is an understatement. With only three scores under 80, he has been supremely consistent, while lifting his average from 80.3 to an elite 93.1. At 25 years of age he has turned himself into one of the most valuable defenders in the comp.

Toronto's coaches award goes to Jasper Pittard.



PS: He's available for trade.

[RaisyDaisy]

Meow would need to publish his idea in full, because I can't remember it

Either way, the solution needs to be easy to implement and easy for Admin to maintain

Whether it's a cap or salary, I couldn't really care but I do think the value assigned to every player needs to be based off their previous 12 months scoring, with a blanket formula introduced to factor in games missed through injuries. I think this is much better and a lot more accurate in terms of reflecting every players current worth, as opposed to 2-3 years prior when players could have been elite and now dropped down, or vice versa being a junior and now breaking out

Example/Suggestion

Let's assume there are 22 games per season

For all players who play 75% of games (spuds excluded as per meow suggestion) or more, their average/overall points scored for that year are what their cap value is based on

For all players who play under 75%, their previous years points scored are used, and discounted at say 10%

I'm sure Meow can add more

My point is purely around the fact that using the previous seasons scoring to value each player (like we've always done) in terms of cap is much better than using 3 years. Don't see the point in going from salary to cap, but whatever