BXVs Rule Change Discussion Thread 2016/2017

[Ringo]

Couple of comments though:
Only players playing on Thursday Night and C, VC and EVC will be locked.  Surely one of the three will play over the weekend.
Any loopholing of players can be monitored and we can impose penalties.  It will become obvious with naming of emergencies and subsequent naming of players. Remember teams will be lodged in the thread so it will be transparent. UF will lock at first bounce of the round.
Round 5 will create extra issues as there are games on Monday and Tuesday. There is another Monday game as well in Rd 4.
Most of the Thursday games are in the early rounds.
Happy to lock at first bounce if that is what is desired by coaches. 
Possible compromise could be we name 6 emergencies in the thread in order of preference.

[Rusty00]

With 8 Thursday night games this year we need to firm up on the rules for rolling lock out. UF only has the 2 options so we will have to do some manual calculations to fix.
So here are my thoughts as to rule to apply. Teams are still loaded into UF.
1. Players from Teams playing Thursday Night are locked at bounce.
2. Captains and Vice Captains are also locked at Thursday bounce.
3. Emergency players loophole not allowed.
4, Final Teams to be lodged in the weekly thread prior to bounce of Friday night game. If Team not lodged team in UF will be taken as final team.

Comments welcome.

I like this option. There's often less than an hour window between when full teams are named Thursday and when the Thursday night game starts. It will be easy to tell if someone is trying to loophole because their full team will be locked in UF.

[GoLions]

Pk suggested a potential rule change to me, allowing teams to delist players after the afl rookie draft. However, doing this would mean forfeiting a rookie/nat pick (or more if you delist multiple players), and meaning you fill that spot on your list at the end of the rookie draft (i.e. supplementary draft picks)

[Ringo]

So expanding this a little to suggest how it would work I would see it follows:

1. At end of Rookie Draft you are allowed to delist further players. A 48hr window will be allowed for this purpose,
2, A supplementary Rookie Draft of all available left over players will be conducted.
3. Supplementary draft order will then be completed based on ladder finishing positions to take all teams to 45 players.
4. Draft commences

[nas]

So expanding this a little to suggest how it would work I would see it follows:

1. At end of Rookie Draft you are allowed to delist further players. A 48hr window will be allowed for this purpose,
2, A supplementary Rookie Draft of all available left over players will be conducted.
3. Supplementary draft order will then be completed based on ladder finishing positions to take all teams to 45 players.
4. Draft commences

Yeah reckon this would be of benefit to teams that have taken a chance with delisted players in hope of being picked upped, or in the case of a couple of teams who missed the deadline for delistings.
Would this be easy to implement pretty well straight away for this to proceed?

[Ringo]

Easy to implement if we have consensus.  may even add it to vote for new coach on Wednesday.

[GoLions]

So expanding this a little to suggest how it would work I would see it follows:

1. At end of Rookie Draft you are allowed to delist further players. A 48hr window will be allowed for this purpose,
2, A supplementary Rookie Draft of all available left over players will be conducted.
3. Supplementary draft order will then be completed based on ladder finishing positions to take all teams to 45 players.
4. Draft commences

Yep so, we still have (for example) our Nov 18th deadline. Teams choosing to keep players who have been delisted in the AFL, can hold on to these players, in the hope that they get picked up. If they don't get picked up, and you choose to delist them, you forfeit the latest pick that you are currently able to use (so if 3 positions available on your list, you lose your 3rd pick, and all picks following it). You then fill that 3rd spot at the end of our rookie draft.

This would also mean we'd need to delay the NAT draft by a few days I believe.

[nas]

The key dates for delisted free agents are as follows:
Saturday November 26 - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (3) begins
Sunday November 27, 2pm - NAB AFL delisted player free agency period (3) closes
Monday November 30, 2pm - Final AFL club list lodgement

[Rids]

I actually like the risk factor of holding and delisting these guys. It also puts more emphasis and importance on the rookie draft as people might delist guys who then get picked up.

I think this is a difference between BXV and the other XV comps that I really like and would like to keep as is.

[GoLions]

I actually like the risk factor of holding and delisting these guys. It also puts more emphasis and importance on the rookie draft as people might delist guys who then get picked up.

I think this is a difference between BXV and the other XV comps that I really like and would like to keep as is.

Yeah I also like the risk factor, traded in Marcon and kept Cameron this year. Took the punt on Grimley the year before.

It'd go up to a vote, won't be decided by admins.

[iZander]

I actually like the risk factor of holding and delisting these guys. It also puts more emphasis and importance on the rookie draft as people might delist guys who then get picked up.

I think this is a difference between BXV and the other XV comps that I really like and would like to keep as is.

Yeah agreed :P

[Ringo]

So expanding this a little to suggest how it would work I would see it follows:

1. At end of Rookie Draft you are allowed to delist further players. A 48hr window will be allowed for this purpose,
2, A supplementary Rookie Draft of all available left over players will be conducted.
3. Supplementary draft order will then be completed based on ladder finishing positions to take all teams to 45 players.
4. Draft commences

Yep so, we still have (for example) our Nov 18th deadline. Teams choosing to keep players who have been delisted in the AFL, can hold on to these players, in the hope that they get picked up. If they don't get picked up, and you choose to delist them, you forfeit the latest pick that you are currently able to use (so if 3 positions available on your list, you lose your 3rd pick, and all picks following it). You then fill that 3rd spot at the end of our rookie draft.

This would also mean we'd need to delay the NAT draft by a few days I believe.

Bear in mind some of these players may be picked up in Rookie Draft as well though and also 3rd F/a. So happy to just have them de-list at end of Final Team Lodgements on 30th November and then do supplementary draft.

Another idea I had and sort of follows on is if you delist a player and that player is subsequently selected by another club you can reselect that player with your first available rookie pick. Coaches choice of course and have to nominate.

[nas]

So expanding this a little to suggest how it would work I would see it follows:

1. At end of Rookie Draft you are allowed to delist further players. A 48hr window will be allowed for this purpose,
2, A supplementary Rookie Draft of all available left over players will be conducted.
3. Supplementary draft order will then be completed based on ladder finishing positions to take all teams to 45 players.
4. Draft commences

Yep so, we still have (for example) our Nov 18th deadline. Teams choosing to keep players who have been delisted in the AFL, can hold on to these players, in the hope that they get picked up. If they don't get picked up, and you choose to delist them, you forfeit the latest pick that you are currently able to use (so if 3 positions available on your list, you lose your 3rd pick, and all picks following it). You then fill that 3rd spot at the end of our rookie draft.

This would also mean we'd need to delay the NAT draft by a few days I believe.

Bear in mind some of these players may be picked up in Rookie Draft as well though and also 3rd F/a. So happy to just have them de-list at end of Final Team Lodgements on 30th November and then do supplementary draft.

Yep, delist the ones not p/upped then work as per the draft & pick from the sup draft

[Ringo]

Suggested change for supplementary rookie draft may not be implemented this year. There is a counter argument that some coaches traded for the risk involved this year and may be now disadvantaged if change implemented this year.
This argument is valid so will put to vote but from next year.

[nostradamus]

l really like the variable of the risk factor.  No one is forced to take the risk, but those who do, do so knowingly ........ they may be burnt, but they may also benefit substancially. Risk vs reward ........ love it.

It's a good POD that BXV has.