WXV Round 14: Pacific & Seoul battle for Finals

[Holz]

The Leadership group basically eliminated the captaincy loophole.... do people think the emergency loophole should be gone also? If so, how?

I don't see the point in having partial lockouts if we can't use it for captain loophole, and only for emergency loopholes

We either have the ability to loophole both (which means we dump the leadership group) or none at all, and being an SC based game I think we should be able to do both so dumping the leadership group would get my vote

That being said, we don't have rolling lockout like SC, so maybe that's worth discussing too although it could make admin a little more messy with more loopholes to stay on top of every week

I'm not a big fan of having emergency loophole in WXV - I reckon you name your 15 and that's it, but I would like the ability to loop captains

Partial lockouts aren't so teams can exploit loopholes, partial lockouts are so teams aren't disadvantaged by not knowing the final AFL teams yet

But its a common tactic used by SCers everywhere I actually see no problem in it as someone who uses it in SC every week. I typically dont use it in worlds though given my starting 15 is much stronger then my bench, but ill support it anyway as part of the game.

also dont like the leadership group thing at all.

Loophole is a way of playing the game.

[Purple 77]

Does Big Boy come in for Shiels?

Yup; Shiel subbed out, Newnes replaces him, and Big Boy comes onto the utilities for full points

Do restings have to be posted before the game tonight?

Had to be before partial lockout I'm afraid  :-\

Def: Johannisen, Dempsey, Tipungwuti-McDonald, Grimes
Mid: Parker (C) Miles, Thomas (VC), Atkins
R: Smith
Fwd: Blair, Cripps, Lloyd, Cameron
IC: Lycett, Gleeson
E: Ibbotson, Kennedy, Redden

Sorry late posting... Still all good without port & hawks right?

Yup

[Purple 77]

As oz said, partial lockouts are really so that teams aren't disadvantaged by the lack of knowledge of how the AFL teams will be named. Emergency loopholes are just an exploitation of this allowance.

But also valid points RD about how some are advantaged more by this and some are not. Although the benefit outweighs the cost, I guess the teams that try to loophole have effectively sacrificed emergency spots and put themselves at risk of unexpected late-outs hurting their team.



Remember all these things we've been discussing lately btw, for when the annual "rules" discussion thread opens, as we'll look at everything everyone suggests or wants reviewed

[Purple 77]

@Holz, unless I missed something (which I might have in the past week or so), Rory Sloane isn't in your leadership group, so you can't name him as CC

[Purple 77]

@London, luckily in the end, you missed the Hawthorn/Port lockout, so Hartung (50) can't be selected. But I'm just going by the time-stamp... if it was in-time for you on your end, we'll have another look at it.

@Rio, no you can't change strategy now I'm afraid  :-\ you'll have to go the traditional format. Also don't forget C and VC!

[Purple 77]

Team changes from now on I'd like in new posts please, as I won't look back at the previous posts :) also take note at how I've recorded your team so far.

After Thursday night:

Score Summary
Berlin Brewers (111) from 1 vs Mexico City Suns (0) from 0
Buenos Aires Armadillos (56) from 1 vs Beijing Thunder (99) from 1
Dublin Destroyers (162) from 2 vs PNL Reindeers (392) from 4
London Royals (0) from 0 vs Cairo Sands (200) from 2*
Moscow Spetsnaz (264) from 2* vs Christchurch Saints (86) from 1
New Delhi Tigers (0) from 0 vs Rio de Janeiro Jaguars (0) from 0
New York Revolution (254) from 2* vs Cape Town Cobras (0) from 0
Pacific Islanders (0) from 0 vs Seoul Magpies (193) from 2
Tokyo Samurai (0) from 0 vs Toronto Wolves (93) from 1

# = Captain Played
* = one Co-Captain Played
** = two Co-Captain's Played

	Berlin Brewers					Mexico City Suns
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Shaun Burgoyne	111		111	D1	Heath Shaw	0		0
D2	Jamie MacMillan	0		0	D2	Kade Simpson	0		0
D3	Daniel Talia	0		0	D3	Jimmy Bartel	0		0
D4	Zak Jones	0		0	D4	James Gwilt	0		0
M1	Jack Steven	0		0	M1	Tom Rockliff	0		0
M2	Tom Liberatore	0		0	M2	Trent Cotchin	0		0
M3	Jack Viney	0		0	M3	Brad Ebert	10	DNP	0
M4	Brad Crouch	0		0	M4	Brendon Goddard	0		0
R1	Max Gawn	0		0	R1	Shaun Hampson	0		0
F1	Steve Johnson	0		0	F1	Brett Deledio	0		0
F2	Michael Walters	0		0	F2	Brent Harvey	0		0
F3	Lachlan Henderson	0		0	F3	Eddie Betts	0		0
F4	Mark LeCras	0		0	F4	Nick Riewoldt	0		0
U1 (MID )	Chris Masten	0		0	U1 (FWD )	Adam Cooney	0		0
U2 (MID )	Nick Suban	0		0	U2 (MID FWD)	Harley Bennell	0		0
E1 (MID )	Josh Smith	0	0	0	E1 (DEF )	Matthew Broadbent	129	0	0
E2 (FWD )	Charlie Dixon	43	0	0	E2 (FWD )	James Sicily	38	0	0
E3 (DEF )	Darcy Byrne-Jones	67	0	0	E3 (MID )	Ryan Davis	0	0	0
C	Max Gawn	0		0	C	Tom Rockliff	0		0
VC	Jack Steven	0		0	VC	Trent Cotchin	0		0
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP	Brendon Goddard	0		0
NR	Drew Petrie	0			NR
		Total:	111	1			Total:	0	0

	Buenos Aires Armadillos					Beijing Thunder
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Zach Tuohy	0		0	D1	Sam Mayes	0		0
D2	Easton Wood	0		0	D2	Harry Taylor	0		0
D3	Shaun Atley	0		0	D3	Ted Richards	0		0
D4	Shane Biggs	0		0	D4	Nathan Broad	0		0
M1	Scott Pendlebury	0		0	M1	Callan Ward	0		0
M2	Andrew Swallow	0		0	M2	Lachie Neale	0		0
M3	Isaac Smith	56		56	M3	Oliver Wines	99		99
M4	Jack Crisp	0		0	M4	Brandon Ellis	0		0
R1	Tom Nicholls	0		0	R1	Brodie Grundy	0		0
F1	Tom Hickey	0		0	F1	Dayne Zorko	0		0
F2	Rohan Bewick	0		0	F2	Josh Jenkins	0		0
F3	Shane Edwards	0		0	F3	Christian Petracca	0		0
F4	Andrejs Everitt	0		0	F4	Ben Kennedy	0		0
U1 (MID )	Edward Curnow	0		0	U1 (DEF MID)	James Aish	0		0
U2 (MID )	Richard Douglas	0		0	U2 (FWD )	Matt Jones	0		0
E1 (MID )	Trent Dumont	0	0	0	E1 (MID )	Bradley Hill	23	0	0
E2 (FWD )	Joshua Green	0	0	0	E2 (FWD )	Jayden Hunt	0	0	0
E3 (DEF )	Sam Butler	0	0	0	E3 (DEF )	Tom Clurey	57	0	0
C	Scott Pendlebury	0		0	C	Callan Ward	0		0
VC	Edward Curnow	0		0	VC	Lachie Neale	0		0
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP		0		0
NR					NR
		Total:	56	1			Total:	99	1

	Dublin Destroyers					PNL Reindeers
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Alex Rance	0		0	D1	Corey Enright	0		0
D2	Grant Birchall	67		67	D2	Zachary Williams	0		0
D3	Heath Grundy	0		0	D3	Jarrod Harbrow	0		0
D4	Jacob Weitering	0		0	D4	Nick Malceski	0		0
M1	Joel Selwood	0		0	M1	Matt Priddis	0		0
M2	Rory Sloane	0		0	M2	Dylan Shiel	0		0
M3	Adam Treloar	0		0	M3	Nathan Jones	0		0
M4	Nick Dal Santo	0		0	M4	Luke Hodge	124		124
R1	Todd Goldstein	0		0	R1	Sam Naismith	0		0
F1	Dustin Martin	0		0	F1	Cyril Rioli	108		108
F2	Lance Franklin	0		0	F2	Justin Westhoff	83		83
F3	Jack Gunston	95		95	F3	Chad Wingard	77		77
F4	Jack Riewoldt	0		0	F4	Hayden Crozier	0		0
U1 (DEF )	Oscar McDonald	0		0	U1 (MID FWD)	Zachary Merrett	0		0
U2 (MID )	Lewis Jetta	0		0	U2 (MID )	Brad McKenzie	0		0
E1 (DEF )	Neville Jetta	0	0	0	E1 (DEF )	Thomas Sheridan	0	0	0
E2 (FWD )	Jack Silvagni	0	0	0	E2 (DEF MID)	Billy Stretch	0	0	0
E3 (DEF )	Reuben William	0	0	0	E3 (FWD )	Jonathon Patton	0	0	0
CC	Joel Selwood	0		0	CC	Matt Priddis	0		0
CC		0		0	CC	Dylan Shiel	0		0
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP		0		0
NR					NR
		Total:	162	2			Total:	392	4

[Purple 77]

	London Royals					Cairo Sands
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Orazio Fantasia	0		0	D1	Dylan Roberton	0		0
D2	Dane Rampe	0		0	D2	Jeremy McGovern	0		0
D3	Bradley Sheppard	0		0	D3	Nick Smith	0		0
D4	Daniel McStay	0		0	D4	Ben Stratton	51		51
M1	Daniel Hannebery	0		0	M1	Taylor Adams	0		0
M2	Ben Cunnington	0		0	M2	Pearce Hanley	0		0
M3	Luke Shuey	0		0	M3	Luke Dunstan	0		0
M4		0		0	M4	Rhys Mathieson	0		0
R1	Callum Sinclair	0		0	R1	Shane Mumford	0		0
F1	Maverick Weller	0		0	F1	Paul Puopolo	99		99
F2	Tom T Lynch	0		0	F2	Rhys Palmer	0		0
F3	Chris Mayne	0		0	F3	Ben Brown	0		0
F4	Tim Membrey	0		0	F4	Rory Lobb	0		0
U1 (MID )	Matt Shaw	0		0	U1 (MID FWD)	Mark Hutchings	0		0
U2 (MID FWD)	Lin Jong	0		0	U2 (FWD )	Oleg Markov	0		0
E1 (DEF )	Kyle Hartigan	0	0	0	E1 (MID FWD)	Karl Amon	77	0	0
E2 (MID )	Jarrad Jansen	0	0	0	E2 (DEF )	Dale Morris	0	0	0
E3 (FWD )	Dean Towers	0	0	0	E3 (FWD )	Lincoln McCarthy	0	0	0
C	Daniel Hannebery	0		0	CC	Shane Mumford	0		0
VC	Luke Shuey	0		0	CC	Paul Puopolo	99		50
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP		0		0
NR					NR
		Total:	0	0			Total:	200	2

	Moscow Spetsnaz					Christchurch Saints
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Sam Docherty	0		0	D1	Matthew Boyd	0		0
D2	Nick Vlastuin	0		0	D2	Jarrad McVeigh	0		0
D3	Paul Seedsman	0		0	D3	Ben Reid	0		0
D4	Steven May	0		0	D4	Jake Lever	0		0
M1	Robbie Gray	132		132	M1	Bryce Gibbs	0		0
M2	David Armitage	0		0	M2	Koby Stevens	0		0
M3	Ryan Bastinac	0		0	M3	Connor Blakely	0		0
M4	Ryan Clarke	0		0	M4	Jack Steele	0		0
R1	Tom Barrass	0	0.5	0	R1	Jordan Roughead	0		0
F1	Jesse Hogan	0		0	F1	Luke Breust	86		86
F2	Joe Daniher	0		0	F2	Clay Smith	0		0
F3	Hayden Ballantyne	0		0	F3	Jake Stringer	0		0
F4	Darcy Moore	0		0	F4	Conor McKenna	0		0
U1 (DEF )	James Frawley	66		66	U1 (MID FWD)	Leigh Montagna	0		0
U2 (DEF FWD)	Eric Hipwood	0		0	U2 (RUC )	Shaun McKernan	0		0
E1 (FWD )	Wayne Milera	0	0	0	E1 (MID )	Hamish Hartlett	81	0	0
E2 (MID )	James Polkinghorne	0	0	0	E2 (MID )	Sam Mitchell	117	0	0
E3		0	0	0	E3 (DEF )	Sean Dempster	0	0	0
CC	Robbie Gray	132		66	C	Leigh Montagna	0		0
CC	Sam Docherty	0		0	VC	Matthew Boyd	0		0
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP		0		0
NR					NR
		Total:	264	2			Total:	86	1

	New Delhi Tigers					Rio de Janeiro Jaguars
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Daniel Rich	0		0	D1	Kade Kolodjashnij	0		0
D2	Phil Davis	0		0	D2	Elliot Yeo	0		0
D3	Jeremy Howe	0		0	D3	Robbie Tarrant	0		0
D4	Tomas Bugg	0		0	D4	Brayden Maynard	0		0
M1	Steele Sidebottom	0		0	M1	Gary Jnr Ablett	0		0
M2	Stephen Coniglio	0		0	M2	Scott Thompson	0		0
M3	Kieren Jack	0		0	M3	Patrick Cripps	0		0
M4	Tom Scully	0		0	M4	Bernie Vince	0		0
R1	Stefan Martin	0		0	R1	Sam Jacobs	0		0
F1	Jack Darling	0		0	F1	Mitch Robinson	0		0
F2	Jack Martin	0		0	F2	Aaron Hall	0		0
F3	Jeremy Cameron	0		0	F3	Matthew Wright	0		0
F4	Tom Curren	0		0	F4	Mason Wood	0		0
U1 (MID )	Matt Crouch	0		0	U1 (MID )	Danyle Pearce	0		0
U2 (MID )	Sebastian Ross	0		0	U2 (DEF )	Robert Murphy	0		0
E1 (MID )	Jake Lloyd	0	0	0	E1 (MID )	Travis Boak	88	0	0
E2 (DEF )	Nathan Krakouer	78	0	0	E2 (DEF )	Andrew Mackie	0	0	0
E3 (DEF )	Jarman Impey	75	0	0	E3 (FWD )	Josh Bruce	0	0	0
C	Stephen Coniglio	0		0	C		0		0
VC	Steele Sidebottom	0		0	VC		0		0
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP		0		0
NR					NR
		Total:	0	0			Total:	0	0

[Purple 77]

	New York Revolution					Cape Town Cobras
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Josh Gibson	87		87	D1	Brodie Smith	0		0
D2	Tom McDonald	0		0	D2	Shane Savage	0		0
D3	Shannon Hurn	0		0	D3	Lachlan Plowman	0		0
D4	Scott D Thompson	0		0	D4	Jarryn Geary	0		0
M1	Jordan Lewis	111		111	M1	Josh P Kennedy	0		0
M2	Mitch Duncan	0		0	M2	Dion Prestia	0		0
M3	David Mundy	0		0	M3	Lachie Hunter	0		0
M4	Stephen Hill	0		0	M4	Dom Tyson	0		0
R1	Jonathon Griffin	0		0	R1	Mark Blicavs	0		0
F1	Josh J Kennedy	0		0	F1	Tom Hawkins	0		0
F2	Daniel Menzel	0		0	F2	Craig Bird	0		0
F3	Alex Sexton	0		0	F3	Dean Kent	0		0
F4	Reece Conca	0		0	F4	Peter Wright	0		0
U1 (MID )	Liam Picken	0		0	U1 (MID )	Callum Mills	0		0
U2 (DEF )	Ben Sinclair	0		0	U2 (MID )	Blake Acres	0		0
E1 (FWD )	James Harmes	0	0	0	E1 (MID )	Nicholas Graham	0	0	0
E2 (DEF )	Mitchell White	0	0	0	E2 (MID FWD)	Touk Miller	0	0	0
E3 (FWD )	Nakia Cockatoo	0	0	0	E3 (DEF )	Lukas Webb	0	0	0
CC	Jordan Lewis	111		56	C	Josh P Kennedy	0		0
CC	Mitch Duncan	0		0	VC	Lachie Hunter	0		0
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP		0		0
NR					NR
		Total:	254	2			Total:	0	0

	Pacific Islanders					Seoul Magpies
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Rory Laird	0		0	D1	Jackson Trengove	65		65
D2	Matt Suckling	0		0	D2	Nick Haynes	0		0
D3	Lee Spurr	0		0	D3	Tom Langdon	0		0
D4	Adam Tomlinson	0		0	D4	Travis Varcoe	0		0
M1	Marcus Bontempelli	0		0	M1	Patrick Dangerfield	0		0
M2	Tom Mitchell	0		0	M2	Liam Shiels	26	DNP	0
M3	Andrew Gaff	0		0	M3	Lachie Whitfield	0		0
M4	Cameron Guthrie	0		0	M4	Joshua Kelly	0		0
R1	Jarrod Witts	0		0	R1	Jonathon Ceglar	128		128
F1	Devon Smith	0		0	F1	Tom J Lynch	0		0
F2	Jarryd Lyons	0		0	F2	Toby Greene	0		0
F3	Steven Motlop	0		0	F3	Brandon Matera	0		0
F4	Alex Fasolo	0		0	F4	Caleb Daniel	0		0
U1 (MID )	James Kelly	0		0	U1 (MID )	Jack Newnes	0		0
U2 (MID )	Sam Gibson	0		0	U2 (MID )	David MacKay	0		0
E1 (MID )	Michael Rischitelli	0	0	0	E1 (RUC )	Ben McEvoy	95	0	0
E2 (FWD )	Jed Lamb	0	0	0	E2 (DEF )	Taylor Duryea	90	0	0
E3 (DEF FWD)	Sam Day	0	0	0	E3 (MID )	Lachlan Weller	0	0	0
CC	Marcus Bontempelli	0		0	C	Patrick Dangerfield	0		0
CC	Tom Mitchell	0		0	VC	Liam Shiels	26		0
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP		0		0
NR					NR
		Total:	0	0			Total:	193	2

	Tokyo Samurai					Toronto Wolves
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	PEN	ADJ
D1	Jason Johannisen	0		0	D1	Jasper Pittard	93		93
D2	Courtenay Dempsey	0		0	D2		0		0
D3	Anthony McDonald-Tipungwuti	0		0	D3		0		0
D4	Jack Grimes	0		0	D4		0		0
M1	Luke Parker	0		0	M1		0		0
M2	Anthony Miles	0		0	M2		0		0
M3	Dale Thomas	0		0	M3		0		0
M4	Rory Atkins	0		0	M4		0		0
R1	Zac Smith	0		0	R1		0		0
F1	Jarryd Blair	0		0	F1		0		0
F2	Jamie Cripps	0		0	F2		0		0
F3	Sam Lloyd	0		0	F3		0		0
F4	Charlie Cameron	0		0	F4		0		0
U1 (RUC FWD)	Scott Lycett	0		0	U1		0		0
U2 (DEF )	Martin Gleeson	0		0	U2		0		0
E1 (DEF )	Garrick Ibbotson	0	0	0	E1		0	0	0
E2 (DEF )	Adam Kennedy	0	0	0	E2		0	0	0
E3 (MID )	Jack Redden	0	0	0	E3		0	0	0
C	Luke Parker	0		0	C		0		0
VC	Dale Thomas	0		0	VC		0		0
HA		0		0	HA		0		0
RP		0		0	RP		0		0
NR					NR
		Total:	0	0			Total:	93	1

[RaisyDaisy]

@Holz, unless I missed something (which I might have in the past week or so), Rory Sloane isn't in your leadership group, so you can't name him as CC

LOL, the old weekly Holz you forgot to do something post  :P

[Holz]

@Holz, unless I missed something (which I might have in the past week or so), Rory Sloane isn't in your leadership group, so you can't name him as CC

LOL, the old weekly Holz you forgot to do something post  :P

far out this is a mine field.

the issue is i run a comp with very few rules.

whatever just put Jelly sole captain.

[Purple 77]

@Holz, unless I missed something (which I might have in the past week or so), Rory Sloane isn't in your leadership group, so you can't name him as CC

LOL, the old weekly Holz you forgot to do something post  :P

far out this is a mine field.

the issue is i run a comp with very few rules.

whatever just put Jelly sole captain.

..... and your VC?  :-X

[PowerBug]

Purps can you confirm that Holz did indeed name Birchall and Gunston for Worlds before the lockout? Because he's edited his team naming post so I can't tell for sure. Need to know for Champions League

[Purple 77]

Purps can you confirm that Holz did indeed name Birchall and Gunston for Worlds before the lockout? Because he's edited his team naming post so I can't tell for sure. Need to know for Champions League

Yeah he did name them before

[meow meow]

Get your shower together Holz.

[Levi434]

Rio de Janeiro Jaguars:

D: K. Kolodjashnij, E. Yeo, R. Tarrant, B. Maynard
M: G. Ablett(C), S. Thompson, P. Cripps, B. Vince
R: S. Jacobs(VC)
F: M. Robinson, A. Hall, M. Wright, M. Wood
I: D. Pearce, R. Murphy

E: T. Boak, J. Bruce A. Mackie

Final team for the Jags. Disappointing not to be able to get Brucey onto the field.