Getting shaky on bringing in Rocky...

Started by King_Robbo, June 10, 2016, 11:28:11 AM

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King_Robbo

Ok... So I'm starting to seriously reconsider Rocky...

I'm reconsidering purely based on his injury history.
He's already burnt me once this year.. Is he worth it or just a massive trap?

I'm considering Rocky or Selwood for my m8

So it's pretty simple..
I have enough cash to go either...

Hewett >> Rocky

Or

J.Smith >> Selwood

I don't like the idea of chopping Smith a week early because he will make at least $15k this week.. But is it worth blighting the bullet and playing it safe with Jelwood? Or going super risky with the fantasy pig that is Tom Rockliff...

Jimmykidd

id take the risk. i already traded him out so im not touching him. if you have enough trades to potentially trade him out again because of another injury OR if you have good enough cover for him, then its worth it. but if not, dont risk it.

PICCOLLO

Go Rocky.  It compliments your preferred trade plans and he finishes seasons strong.  Worst case is you lose a trade in a few weeks but he'll be worth a fair bit of cash by then.

Selwood hasn't been in glittering touch of late (hence why he's pretty cheap)

Jimmykidd

considering trading mitchell for rocky myself. for 60k thats hard to ignore. still havent decided though.

Hippo

I get shaky when i don't eat breakfast, did you eat breakfast today?

GCSkiwi

Quote from: PICCOLLO on June 10, 2016, 11:45:18 AM
Go Rocky.  It compliments your preferred trade plans and he finishes seasons strong.  Worst case is you lose a trade in a few weeks but he'll be worth a fair bit of cash by then.

Selwood hasn't been in glittering touch of late (hence why he's pretty cheap)

Of 11 games so far this year, Selwood has played 11, had 5 scores 130+, and 7 tons. Rocky has played 6 games, 2 tons, and people losing their minds over a 200 score. Who hasn't been in glittering touch recently? As far as being worth a fair bit of cash, that 200 will make him look good for a bit, but unless he keeps up 130+ he'll peak in a couple of weeks and then crash again. If you trade him out again, you'd be wanting enough cash to justify 2 trades, not 1 - one trade in, one trade out. If you're bringing him in, you have to be backing him as a keeper. And of the season so far, he's had 1 great game, 1 good game, some stinkers and a bunch of no-shows. No thanks.


Perthwildcat

Gonna go Aaron Hall to Rocky via DPP.  Figure Rocky will average more so it's a good trade.  Hall on the slide.  17 trades after this round so figure that's enough. 

plumdog millionaire

Quote from: Perthwildcat on June 10, 2016, 12:09:02 PM
Gonna go Aaron Hall to Rocky via DPP.  Figure Rocky will average more so it's a good trade.  Hall on the slide.  17 trades after this round so figure that's enough.

King_Robbo

Quote from: GCSkiwi on June 10, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: PICCOLLO on June 10, 2016, 11:45:18 AM
Go Rocky.  It compliments your preferred trade plans and he finishes seasons strong.  Worst case is you lose a trade in a few weeks but he'll be worth a fair bit of cash by then.

Selwood hasn't been in glittering touch of late (hence why he's pretty cheap)

Of 11 games so far this year, Selwood has played 11, had 5 scores 130+, and 7 tons. Rocky has played 6 games, 2 tons, and people losing their minds over a 200 score. Who hasn't been in glittering touch recently? As far as being worth a fair bit of cash, that 200 will make him look good for a bit, but unless he keeps up 130+ he'll peak in a couple of weeks and then crash again. If you trade him out again, you'd be wanting enough cash to justify 2 trades, not 1 - one trade in, one trade out. If you're bringing him in, you have to be backing him as a keeper. And of the season so far, he's had 1 great game, 1 good game, some stinkers and a bunch of no-shows. No thanks.

Defiantly not loosing my mind over the 200 - at all - it's just bought forward a decision I was going to make 2-3 weeks early..

I think there are reasons for his low scores though.. Rd 1 & 2 he was coming back from a calf injury then came back and played forward vs dogs went 117 then got injured in the 2nd qtr v port..

In saying that I completely agree that Selwood is the safer option, will most likely average 110 from here however the Rocky upside is what's so tantalizing. If he can go on one of his runs it could be the difference between 1,000 and top 50...

PICCOLLO

Quote from: GCSkiwi on June 10, 2016, 12:07:24 PM
Quote from: PICCOLLO on June 10, 2016, 11:45:18 AM
Go Rocky.  It compliments your preferred trade plans and he finishes seasons strong.  Worst case is you lose a trade in a few weeks but he'll be worth a fair bit of cash by then.

Selwood hasn't been in glittering touch of late (hence why he's pretty cheap)

Of 11 games so far this year, Selwood has played 11, had 5 scores 130+, and 7 tons. Rocky has played 6 games, 2 tons, and people losing their minds over a 200 score. Who hasn't been in glittering touch recently? As far as being worth a fair bit of cash, that 200 will make him look good for a bit, but unless he keeps up 130+ he'll peak in a couple of weeks and then crash again. If you trade him out again, you'd be wanting enough cash to justify 2 trades, not 1 - one trade in, one trade out. If you're bringing him in, you have to be backing him as a keeper. And of the season so far, he's had 1 great game, 1 good game, some stinkers and a bunch of no-shows. No thanks.

Most people on here have enough nous to not chase last weeks score (Some anyway ;) ) Quoting his scores from this year just shows he had no preseason and got injured a couple of times.
The 200 shows he's back up and running and could do a three-peat of what he's done the last two years after he's returned from a couple of injuries.

These are the scores I'm looking at:

r16-23 2015 : 126, 101, 50, 135, 115, 145, 122, 146, 152

r14-22 2014: 158, 126, 141, 175, 113, 158, 137, 168

They make for much better reading.

GCSkiwi

Quote from: PICCOLLO on June 10, 2016, 12:44:42 PM
Most people on here have enough nous to not chase last weeks score (Some anyway ;) ) Quoting his scores from this year just shows he had no preseason and got injured a couple of times.
The 200 shows he's back up and running and could do a three-peat of what he's done the last two years after he's returned from a couple of injuries.

These are the scores I'm looking at:

r16-23 2015 : 126, 101, 50, 135, 115, 145, 122, 146, 152

r14-22 2014: 158, 126, 141, 175, 113, 158, 137, 168

They make for much better reading.

I was simply pointing out that you were making calls based on Selwood's current form, but ignoring Rocky's ;) if you're gonna compare them, compare apples with apples. Rocky has the capacity to score big, sure. But Selwood is also notoriously a slow starter, and if we include their missed games it looks like this (same years, same time brackets):

2014 round 14 onwards:
Jelwood: 103, 138, 84, 144, 147, 148, 128, 110, 90, 176. 10 games played, average: 126.8
Rocky: 158, 126, 141, DNP, 175, 113, 158, 137, 168, DNP.
So, Rocky averaged 147ppg in the same time frame, but bear in mind he missed rounds 17 and 23, so you were a player down for two rounds, his total score over 10 rounds averages to 117.6

2015 round 15 onwards:
Jelwood: 98, DNP, 142, 171, 145, 114, 81, 51, 142. 8/9 games played, average 118ppg (105/9 rounds)
Rocky: 126, 101, 50, 135, 115, 145, 122, 146, 152. 9/9 games played, average 121ppg.

So yeah, Rocky's scores in that time make for better reading, but he's not daylight ahead of Jelwood, and if you factor in their form this season, Jelwood seems the safer pick. Soft tissue injuries don't disappear, the injuries he was coming back from last year weren't really stress related, they were impact related... Each to their own, but I'm definitely backing Jelwood.

Quote from: King_Robbo on June 10, 2016, 12:22:48 PM
I think there are reasons for his low scores though.. Rd 1 & 2 he was coming back from a calf injury then came back and played forward vs dogs went 117 then got injured in the 2nd qtr v port..

In saying that I completely agree that Selwood is the safer option, will most likely average 110 from here however the Rocky upside is what's so tantalizing. If he can go on one of his runs it could be the difference between 1,000 and top 50...

As above, they were soft tissue injuries which are more likely to recurr/cause an ongoing niggle then broken ribs or a KO. And Jelwood has a high ceiling too ;)

Grufflez

When a 200 you can't get now is staring you in the face just say fukc it, i want a guy who can score 200 in my team!!!!!

Goosey

Taking the punt and bringing Rocky back in!

meow meow


Grufflez

Quote from: meow meow on June 10, 2016, 07:50:40 PM
Look at Geelong's run home.

We don't run in Geelong.

Lets the cop know that you've done something  8)