the red card rule discussion

[Ringo]

And in both cases the team that lost the player still won the game.

Overreaction

In Lions case only because the Suns were worse than we were.  Being without a ruck for 2 quarters surely disadvantages a team and fortunately the Suns ruck  at the time were one of the lowest ranked in the competition.

Still maintain though that rather than red card the paler is if the fielld until the injured player returns.

[PowerBug]

When do you red card a player though? The umpires aren't the tribunal guys that determines reckless, intentional etc... If the Jonas incident came back as careless, does a careless incident mean a player gets red carded? Because it'd be unfair if someone was red carded for intnetnional and then it's deemed as careless.

There are also many ways that teams can go a player down through injury. Johannisen did his hammy kicking for goal. Does the player chasing him have to go off for the game because he chased him down? He effectively caused the injury! Those players that do their knees when being tackled, does the tackler have to sit out as well? No of course not, how ridiculous is that.

No one goes out there with the intention of hurting someone else, I think the footy community is pretty tight and all the bloke are friends with each other, they don't want to hurt each other.

[Ringo]

As has been mentioned earlier the video and 4th umpire can review footage and ascertain.  Not left to on field umpires.

[PowerBug]

As has been mentioned earlier the video and 4th umpire can review footage and ascertain.  Not left to on field umpires.

Do we wait 5 minutes for them to make a decision or let play go in until they do and then stop the play to send the player off? Both ways have issues.

Would rather the "if you get suspended you miss the next game against that team" thing to come in. Only for 3+ suspensions. So eg Jonas misses 5 weeks and his 6th week is the next time we play the Eagles (so next year as Port won't make it to finals).

[jvalles69]

Joining this convo late, but why can't they have a game time tribunal that decide.  Something like the Jonas hit happens again, the play stops and the tribunal reviews the footage and make a decision best on numerous aspects; intent, injury caused, player able to continue playing etc.  And the excuse of stopping the flow of the game is BS cos they basically call a score review in 1/5 scores!

Team has to be penalised at the time of play to benefit the injured players side.  Guarantee if the penalty is harsh, this sort of behaviour will stop on a dime.

[PowerBug]

The tribunal took an hour yesterday to determine Jonas' hit was intentional. Will you sit and wait for an hour whilst they decide?

Also score reviews are used not even twice a game on average I reckon you'll find.

[nrich102]

Not totally against it, but I can't really see it working in AFL.

I think the reason they do red cards in football is a) because they always have and b) because most leagues have a kind of MRP (I think).

[My Chumps]

Joining this convo late, but why can't they have a game time tribunal that decide.  Something like the Jonas hit happens again, the play stops and the tribunal reviews the footage and make a decision best on numerous aspects; intent, injury caused, player able to continue playing etc.  And the excuse of stopping the flow of the game is BS cos they basically call a score review in 1/5 scores!

Remember the Bryce Gibbs tackle on Robbie Gray last year? What happens with that incident? Is that a red card-able offence?

[jvalles69]

Joining this convo late, but why can't they have a game time tribunal that decide.  Something like the Jonas hit happens again, the play stops and the tribunal reviews the footage and make a decision best on numerous aspects; intent, injury caused, player able to continue playing etc.  And the excuse of stopping the flow of the game is BS cos they basically call a score review in 1/5 scores!

Remember the Bryce Gibbs tackle on Robbie Gray last year? What happens with that incident? Is that a red card-able offence?

nope, wouldn't red card that and it took me 2 seconds to decide that.  A little common sense goes a long way.

[PowerBug]

He got suspended for two weeks though? He took one of our best players out of the game and Port got no benefit from his suspension ;)


I feel like this discussion alone shows that there's too many grey areas for this to go ahead.

[elephants]

Idk if its been mentioned in this thread, but I like Caroline Wilson's call (for once) saying one of the suspension games should be against the opposition in which they offended against.

For example, Jonas will miss 6 weeks. Five of those will be served over the next 5 weeks and the final one will be when the Eagles play Port next.

[My Chumps]

Joining this convo late, but why can't they have a game time tribunal that decide.  Something like the Jonas hit happens again, the play stops and the tribunal reviews the footage and make a decision best on numerous aspects; intent, injury caused, player able to continue playing etc.  And the excuse of stopping the flow of the game is BS cos they basically call a score review in 1/5 scores!

Remember the Bryce Gibbs tackle on Robbie Gray last year? What happens with that incident? Is that a red card-able offence?

nope, wouldn't red card that and it took me 2 seconds to decide that.  A little common sense goes a long way.

He got suspended for two weeks though? He took one of our best players out of the game and Port got no benefit from his suspension ;)


I feel like this discussion alone shows that there's too many grey areas for this to go ahead.

Exactly what PB said. He got suspended for 2 weeks after taking out Ports best player. Why shouldn't he get a red card then?

[jvalles69]

Joining this convo late, but why can't they have a game time tribunal that decide.  Something like the Jonas hit happens again, the play stops and the tribunal reviews the footage and make a decision best on numerous aspects; intent, injury caused, player able to continue playing etc.  And the excuse of stopping the flow of the game is BS cos they basically call a score review in 1/5 scores!

Remember the Bryce Gibbs tackle on Robbie Gray last year? What happens with that incident? Is that a red card-able offence?

nope, wouldn't red card that and it took me 2 seconds to decide that.  A little common sense goes a long way.

He got suspended for two weeks though? He took one of our best players out of the game and Port got no benefit from his suspension ;)


I feel like this discussion alone shows that there's too many grey areas for this to go ahead.

Exactly what PB said. He got suspended for 2 weeks after taking out Ports best player. Why shouldn't he get a red card then?

Forgot he had gotten suspended for that, but in the scheme of the game he was tackling a player which is a part of the sport, just turned nasty with the sling.  I'm all for a red card for late high hits and deliberate punches (ie Barry Hall), if the offense is due to something deemed fair then player plays on.  Something like a sling tackle though prob does need more time to come to a fair judgement, but don't think you can red card it, unless a player gets picked up and dumped on his head.  Certain things should stay under "after game tribunals", but there are things that are deliberate and dirty that need to be taken out of the game then and there.