Game of Thrones Discussion Thread: WARNING THERE ARE SPOILERS

[GoLions]

Wow

It has been 10 hours and I still haven't recovered

Why?

Felt sorry for poor old Hodor, but was good to see how he got his name, and even better to see how the Cabbage Patch kids created the White Walkers!

Because:
- Since he was a stableboy or whatever, all that Hodor can probably think of is his death, and Meera screaming at him to hold the door, hold the door, hold the door, whilst he's being killed by wights. He probably also always knew when and how he was going to die from that point onwards as well.
- Bran has just realized that he is the sole reason that Hodor is completely flowered up. If it wasn't for him, he could have lived out a normal life. Instead, Hodor has been how he is for the majority of his life, and now dead. All because of Bran.
- Because they're completely flowering up the Iron Islands!

[RaisyDaisy]

- Since he was a stableboy or whatever, all that Hodor can probably think of is his death, and Meera screaming at him to hold the door, hold the door, hold the door, whilst he's being killed by wights. He probably also always knew when and how he was going to die from that point onwards as well.
- Bran has just realized that he is the sole reason that Hodor is completely flowered up. If it wasn't for him, he could have lived out a normal life. Instead, Hodor has been how he is for the majority of his life, and now dead. All because of Bran.
- Because they're completely flowering up the Iron Islands!

Wait what? So when young Hodor had a fit as a child he could see his entire future and how he would die at that point?

I got the impression that Bran touching the branch without permission showed him what happened to Hodor on that day and caused him to become who he is, but not that Hodor also now knew his future and why it happened from that point?

[GoLions]

- Since he was a stableboy or whatever, all that Hodor can probably think of is his death, and Meera screaming at him to hold the door, hold the door, hold the door, whilst he's being killed by wights. He probably also always knew when and how he was going to die from that point onwards as well.
- Bran has just realized that he is the sole reason that Hodor is completely flowered up. If it wasn't for him, he could have lived out a normal life. Instead, Hodor has been how he is for the majority of his life, and now dead. All because of Bran.
- Because they're completely flowering up the Iron Islands!

Wait what? So when young Hodor had a fit as child he could see his entire future and how he would die at that point?

I got the impression that Bran touching the branch without permission showed him what happened to Hodor on that day and caused him to become who he is, but not that Hodor also know knew his future and why it happened from that point?

Bran wargs into present Hodor whilst eating some Branflakes with past Hodor. So, in a way, he's 'interacting' with both past and present Hodor at the exact same time. This effectively flowers Hodor's mind up, as his past self keeps hearing Meera yelling at him in the present, and being warged by Bran as well.

I could be wrong, but if my interpretation is right, it's absolutely devastating :'(

[RaisyDaisy]

Yeah I've just read a few reviews about the episode and that seems right actually

Poor old Hodor  :'(

[RaisyDaisy]

Actually I don't think Hodor has been thinking off that since he was a boy

Sounds like Bran was warging the past and could see young Hodor, but at that time he could start to hear Meera screaming at him to wake up in the present, and then while he was being carted out in the present he warged into young Hodor in his warg session so that's when he could hear the screams of hold the door etc

Confusing myslef lol, but I don't think he knew that since being a boy

Either way, Bran touching the branch without permission flowered Hodor and them up

[plumdog millionaire]

Don't love how Bran can influence the future with his time travelling

[GoLions]

Actually I don't think Hodor has been thinking off that since he was a boy

Sounds like Bran was warging the past and could see young Hodor, but at that time he could start to hear Meera screaming at him to wake up in the present, and then while he was being carted out in the present he warged into young Hodor in his warg session so that's when he could hear the screams of hold the door etc

Confusing myslef lol, but I don't think he knew that since being a boy

Either way, Bran touching the branch without permission flowered Hodor and them up

I'm not sure if what he was doing in the past is considered warging, I think that's something else entirely. From a bit of reading online, some people seem to think he was warging present Hodor through young Hodor, which I think is what you're saying now?

Haha it is confusing, and everyone will have differing interpretations until either GRRM or D&D tell us what actually happened :P

And yep, Bran dun goof'd. However, Bloodraven/The 3-Eyed Crow, would have known Bran was gonna do that. But because everything has already happened, he can't change what Bran does. This is what I kinda go to for the whole time-travel stuff that's been happening. You can't change the past, but you can be the cause of something that has already happened. For example, Bran can't go back and save Robb, or Ned, or stop the CotF from creating the White Walkers. However, he can be the cause of things, such as Hodor being Hodor'd.

[GoLions]

Don't love how Bran can influence the future with his time travelling

Haha, I literally just posted about what I think of it as you did :P

[GoLions]

Also, for the people who have read the books (no book spoilers), am I the only one that is pissed off at how they're doing the Iron Islands? showEuron just seems like a douche atm. He says he killed Balon and then everyone is cool with it. He says he's gonna kill Yara and Theon, and everyone is cool with it. It's nuts. And then when Theon and Yara leave, they clearly have a lot of people with them. So how the flower did Euron win the Kingsmoot? Everything Iron Islands related has been done horribly so far this season, and my expectations from the books were so high :'(

Andddd (book spoilers in tiny text), WHY IS THERE NO VICTARION. He seemed like a really good character in the books so far, and I was looking forward to seeing him being portrayed in the show. And where the flower is that dragon-binding horn or whatever that Euron is supposed to have. And all the other people (iirc) that put their name in to become King. I feel like they could have done all this basically the exact same as the books, with barely any extra effort required, and it would have been FANTASTIC.

[RaisyDaisy]

Yeah it's def a bit confusing, but from what I have read and can understand he was greenseeing or whatever it is the past, but at that time the present cries of help from Meesa where coming through to that past greenseeing session he was in, and he was then able to warg into present Hodor but that impacted and flowered young Hodor

[SydneyRox]

Without my suspension of disbelief I still dont know how Bran is supposed to escape with only a 200-300mtr head start??

Also WTF is with killing all the Dire Wolves??? only 2 left??

Also .... (book) Will Lady stoneheart finally arrive (yeah I know they have said more than once she wont, but they also said John was really dead) now that Brienne is off to talk to the Tullys?? Since that is where she ran into her in the books.

[GoLions]

Without my suspension of disbelief I still dont know how Bran is supposed to escape with only a 200-300mtr head start??

Also WTF is with killing all the Dire Wolves??? only 2 left??

Also .... (book) Will Lady stoneheart finally arrive (yeah I know they have said more than once she wont, but they also said John was really dead) now that Brienne is off to talk to the Tullys?? Since that is where she ran into her in the books.

In the trailer for either the next episode or the season (can't rememebr which), we see someone on a horse right behind Meera. So, it could be one of two people imo. Either Benjen, or (book spoilers) COLDHANDS BABY. Probably Benjen though :P

Yep, not a fan of the Direwolf killing :(
Still have hope that that wasn't Shaggydog's head though hahaha

Andddd Not sure tbh. Would love to see LSH killing Freys 4 days, but not sure if it will happen tbh. Especially getting close to the end of the series, would seem like an odd time to bring her in, especially when they have just brought Jon back as well. But yeah, would be nice!

[RaisyDaisy]

How many wolves were there in total?

Ghost FTW

[GoLions]

How many wolves were there in total?

Ghost FTW

Greywind
Lady
Summer
Shaggydog
Nymeria
Ghost

Kinda disappointed with the lack of Nymeria in the show tbh

[Barra13]

Also WTF is with killing all the Dire Wolves??? only 2 left??[/size]

SUMMER is dead.
The wall will FALL.
WINTER is coming.

Something interesting to note though is that Arya can also warg into Nymeria. More to come?

SPOILER - All Starks have the ability to warg, it is obviously more powerful in some than others.