First Coach Sacked?

[JBs-Hawks]

u guys really think Roos would be doing better then Rocket even with the injury list GC have?

think the Rocket criticism is unfair hard to see any coach doing better with the injury list they have had for 2 years

People completely look over this. For a young side they need their best players out there.
Omeara and Swallow haven't played this year, Rischetelli is injured, there 2 key backman are out, and they lost Bennell and Dixon in the off season. They are a decent side when fit, they just don't have any depth. Bit like my mob..

Exactly why the AFL SHOULD have stopped them trading for Omeara and Martin. Why? You all still think i'm mad and stupid but proof is in the pudding! .........

Too much pressure on the young guys to play, perform and stay fit. Which they cant! IF they had a few more big experienced bodies around those kids then they would not only challenge for finals but also probably more likely to actually be out there playing! SHEESH ::)

Also GCS had enough kids already before they went after O'Meara and Martin. It's their own fault! Of course Dumbetriou let it all happen!

.......................  just sayn :P

Proof is in the pudding, GWS are killing it!

[elephants]

u guys really think Roos would be doing better then Rocket even with the injury list GC have?

think the Rocket criticism is unfair hard to see any coach doing better with the injury list they have had for 2 years

People completely look over this. For a young side they need their best players out there.
Omeara and Swallow haven't played this year, Rischetelli is injured, there 2 key backman are out, and they lost Bennell and Dixon in the off season. They are a decent side when fit, they just don't have any depth. Bit like my mob..

Exactly why the AFL SHOULD have stopped them trading for Omeara and Martin. Why? You all still think i'm mad and stupid but proof is in the pudding! .........

Too much pressure on the young guys to play, perform and stay fit. Which they cant! IF they had a few more big experienced bodies around those kids then they would not only challenge for finals but also probably more likely to actually be out there playing! SHEESH ::)

Also GCS had enough kids already before they went after O'Meara and Martin. It's their own fault! Of course Dumbetriou let it all happen!

.......................  just sayn :P

I swear I lose brain cells every time I read a post of yours... ;)

You continually pull out the 'no mature age players' card. Well they did, they just weren't nearly as successful. Ablett, Nathan Bock, Jared Brennan, Campbell Brown, Josh Fraser, Harbrow, Daniel Harris, Karmichael Hunt, Nathan Krakoeur, Michael Rischitelli, Danny Stanley, Michael Coad, Sam Iles, Greg Broughton, Andrew McQualter, Greg Broughton, Tom Murphy and Andrew Raines.

All these players were seasoned AFL players but for one reason or another, mostly failed to cut it at AFL level for the Suns.

Compare this to the Giants.

Chad Cornes, Phil Davis, Jon Giles, James McDonald, Rhys Palmer, Callan Ward, Luke Power, Dean Brogan, Setanta O'Halpin, Stephen Gilham, Bret Thornton, Dylan Addison, Josh Hunt and then only recently, the likes of Mumford, Griffen and Shaw.

Having a ping at GC for loading up on picks and kids and not drafting mature agers is nonsensical. How were they to know that a majority of the mature players they drafted would fail. Clearly they were working on the assumption that their research and testing on these mature agers would see them succeed, they weren't planning for failure.

So no, this isn't a case of the AFL stepping in. This is a case of mature age players failing hard at Gold Coast for whatever reason (off-field, injury, form) and the long-term consequences of that being felt now.

I won't even start on the 'less likely for the kids to get injured' point. O'Meara has a degenrative knee problem, no amount of 'senior player protection would have stopped that.

As for Prestia and Swallow and even Harley, that's just bad luck. Players get injured at NEAFL level as well.

[tbagrocks]

Yeah you're all full of crap, maybe the sort of people that stand in doorways and yak to others whilst people are trying to walkthrough it? Hmmmmm, yeah i'm the stupid one .......

GWS and GCS both kept on recruiting too many kid when they both already had more than 25 on their list. GWS were flogged for years and lost valuable market to the succeeding Wanderers whilst they sucked

If you good people still choose to stand in doorways and talk and never quite comprehend what duck I have actually been saying for four years then go ahead. But stop trying to pretend you don't! You all know I am right

Sorry El but GC have failed to make finals an only a couple of handful of experienced players was never going to cut the mustard so please don't pretend i'm the dumb one and insult me when you know I am right. Or who really is dumb here? ???

As I said already but clearly simple minded people tend to forget quickly. Adelaide recruited a few gun kids and a whole team of experience, sold out Footy Park regularly and made finals in year three, West Coast similar ....... flower me stupid and rotate me backwards

[kilbluff1985]

lol

[T Dog]

lol

Yep you idiot Bagsta   ;D

[PowerBug]

GWS being belted for years? Melbourne has been terrible for longer! GWS are in their 5th year

[powersuperkents]

Tbag... to be fair

Adelaide had an entire talent pool to recruit mature agers from

as did West Coast

as did Freo (it didn't really help them early on though)

as did Port!!!

It's easy for new clubs to succeed early on in the AFL when they have the WAFL & the SANFL to pick players from

GWS & Gold Coast are located in Rugby League territory - the NEAFL is only a recent competition, and even now doesn't have the talent or competitiveness of the SANFL or the WAFL (even the VFL - which is now solely for the purposes of AFL reserves - is more competitive)

How do you expect GWS & Gold Coast to recruit ready-made players (at AFL standard) in an era of 18 clubs....

They have no local talent base (and no one can accuse them of not trying - these clubs have shown real promise with their academies - even than they try to get these kids TAC Cup experience in Vic).

Obviously, they have to get players from other clubs for experience

But players from other clubs are expensive - even with salary cap concessions

Furthermore, there is no point of overloading experienced players because they would end up like the Bombers are now, in the short-term, and have next to no personnel in the long-term.

Both sides, GWS especially, have established the best case scenario by either starting out with a nice balance (i.e. Gold Coast), or getting games into young prospects early and picking up senior players incrementally based on team needs (i.e. GWS). This also maximises long-term gains as it creates a sustainable side with depth (the most important thing a football club can have) capable of forming a dynasty (I don't trust the Gold Coast - however, GWS could win a few premierships if this improvement continues - they are still a home-ground side though, not too good away).

Out of the two, GWS seem to have taken the better approach. Accordingly, this contradicts your point... This side started with hardly any veteran talents and opted for young talent from other clubs (Scully, Ward, Davis etc.), as well as investing heavily in the draft. All their recruitment have been golden thus far as well (even D. Simpson provides depth for Mummy and Griffen is still an important pick-up).

Also, the Crows got two premierships early on, the Eagles got two early on, and Port got one...

I wouldn't be surprised if GWS trumped these numbers without even having an established league to recruit from

I agree though, Gold Coast don't look good at all - the question is rather "is this solely because of the injury list?" (I'm convinced that it extends beyond the injury list tbh)

[Mat0369]

I thought Rocket was the wrong choice in the first place!

Rocket is the guy you bring in when you have a ready made list to compete. In my eyes he has never been one to develop a list. The Suns must have thought they were ready to compete, injuries have hurt but I'm with you in that I think it was the wrong move and they were still in a development phase of sorts due to so many of their older recruits being duds. The head honchos thought otherwise bringing in Malcho and Rocket, two moves which they'll look back on with regret

[tbagrocks]

lol

This is the response I expect from simple minds, go stand and talk in another doorway ;)

GCS and GWS were supposed to use allllllllllllllllllllll those draft picks to trade for players .......... it's that simple. I don't expect most people to understand what I am saying because well, most cant, most don't have the awareness, wisdom and understanding I do. So I expect the "LOLs" ;)

[elephants]

Yeah you're all full of crap, maybe the sort of people that stand in doorways and yak to others whilst people are trying to walkthrough it? Hmmmmm, yeah i'm the stupid one .......

Hahaha what? And... "i'm the stupid one" you said it buddy ;)

GWS and GCS both kept on recruiting too many kid when they both already had more than 25 on their list. GWS were flogged for years and lost valuable market to the succeeding Wanderers whilst they sucked

Regardless of who they brought in, they were always going to get pumped. Gold Coast bring in the best player in the game, and arguably the best ever and still don't stand a chance. Its all good to sit here in hindsight and say "oh they did bad because the didn't win and they stood in doorways and stuff" but I've already outlined the number of mature agers they did target. Your argument has been disproven already.

If you good people still choose to stand in doorways and talk and never quite comprehend what duck I have actually been saying for four years then go ahead. But stop trying to pretend you don't! You all know I am right

You're really running with this doorways analogy aren't ya. As stated previously, I've already told you how you're wrong and now you've got the shield up.

Sorry El but GC have failed to make finals an only a couple of handful of experienced players was never going to cut the mustard so please don't pretend i'm the dumb one and insult me when you know I am right. Or who really is dumb here? ???

Captain Hindsight at it again! Tell us more bagger!

As I said already but clearly simple minded people tend to forget quickly. Adelaide recruited a few gun kids and a whole team of experience, sold out Footy Park regularly and made finals in year three, West Coast similar ....... flower me stupid and rotate me backwards

I've refrained so far, but this is imbecilic. The talent pool and football operations infrastructure in place for Adelaide, Port, West Coast and Freo were COMPLETELY different and you're absolutely clueless if you think you can compare them to GWS and GC.

And there was no caveat on the draft picks handed to the expansion clubs. Nobody said "nah mate you gotta use these on players". If GC did go and recruit an entire team of mature agers they would have bottomed out by now and would just be racking up the pics anyway. The primary goal of any football team is to win a premiership, however possible within the rules.

I think we can all just cont ourselves lucky somebody with your intellect and subjective mind isn't in a position of power ;) #banter #copit

[Ringo]

Think Justin Leppitsch should be added to poll.   He is safe according to CEO but member unrest really getting strong.

[powersuperkents]

Think Justin Leppitsch should be added to poll.   He is safe according to CEO but member unrest really getting strong.

I think he's doing a good job.

He hasn't got much to work with (i.e. the youngest list in the comp. plus all quality KPP's are nowhere near physically developed)

I think the fact that players are extended is a good sign that the coaches and admin. are making improvements

[tbagrocks]

Yeah you're all full of crap, maybe the sort of people that stand in doorways and yak to others whilst people are trying to walkthrough it? Hmmmmm, yeah i'm the stupid one .......

Hahaha what? And... "i'm the stupid one" you said it buddy ;)

GWS and GCS both kept on recruiting too many kid when they both already had more than 25 on their list. GWS were flogged for years and lost valuable market to the succeeding Wanderers whilst they sucked

Regardless of who they brought in, they were always going to get pumped. Gold Coast bring in the best player in the game, and arguably the best ever and still don't stand a chance. Its all good to sit here in hindsight and say "oh they did bad because the didn't win and they stood in doorways and stuff" but I've already outlined the number of mature agers they did target. Your argument has been disproven already.

If you good people still choose to stand in doorways and talk and never quite comprehend what duck I have actually been saying for four years then go ahead. But stop trying to pretend you don't! You all know I am right

You're really running with this doorways analogy aren't ya. As stated previously, I've already told you how you're wrong and now you've got the shield up.

Sorry El but GC have failed to make finals an only a couple of handful of experienced players was never going to cut the mustard so please don't pretend i'm the dumb one and insult me when you know I am right. Or who really is dumb here? ???

Captain Hindsight at it again! Tell us more bagger!

As I said already but clearly simple minded people tend to forget quickly. Adelaide recruited a few gun kids and a whole team of experience, sold out Footy Park regularly and made finals in year three, West Coast similar ....... flower me stupid and rotate me backwards

I've refrained so far, but this is imbecilic. The talent pool and football operations infrastructure in place for Adelaide, Port, West Coast and Freo were COMPLETELY different and you're absolutely clueless if you think you can compare them to GWS and GC.

And there was no caveat on the draft picks handed to the expansion clubs. Nobody said "nah mate you gotta use these on players". If GC did go and recruit an entire team of mature agers they would have bottomed out by now and would just be racking up the pics anyway. The primary goal of any football team is to win a premiership, however possible within the rules.

I think we can all just cont ourselves lucky somebody with your intellect and subjective mind isn't in a position of power ;) #banter #copit

It's not an argument, there is no debate which I know nerds like. Either you recruit well enough to be competitive or you don't, simple man.

Also yes, people are idiots. Either you stand and yak in doorways or you are "Intelligent" Enough to know that somebody other than yourself wishes to use that doorway! Again very simple man! #BanterTheBag