Holding back trades? Barlow Bartel Rich Rockliff

crowls · April 05, 2016, 07:59:55 PM

So I have Rich, Barlow, Bartel, Rocky all spudding it up. Don't have Papley of the must have Rookies.
Urge is to trade Rocky, Barlow or Rich this week. Can see myself dropping another 100+points behind every week I keep these guys.

However at the moment I have convinced myself to calm down and do Gresham to Papley.

So many times on this board you read, save trades, no sideways trading etc etc. Now I am seeing lots of coaches who I respect trading out Rocky and Barlow.

When is the right time to trade out a Premo? Long term injury notwithstanding. BTW Rocky calf injury could easily blow out a few more weeks, which is a consideration in moving him on this week.

Must be a strong SC history behind the NO sideways trade rule. Yet all discussions are based on trading this week. Can some of you more experienced SC coaches provide more information on why we shouldn't trade. Be a nice reminder for some of us and a good learning experience for newbies.

Rocky - capable of returning and averaging 110 plus for rest of season. Gives me a loophole for mids and C.
Barlow - totally dependent on Ross Lyon and Fremantle game plan and ability to play in midield. Holding to see what happens. (Appears to me to biggest risk on this list given Fremantle's goal to change playing style)
Bartel - assuming does not get injured hard to see not getting to 90+
Rich - maybe we are overreaching and he is always just going to not quite break out. Giving some more time.

kilbluff1985 · April 05, 2016, 08:04:19 PM

i think a good reason to trade Rocky besides that he is injured is because he will lose a bit of cash will be an easy upgrade target if he he regains form on return

shaker · April 05, 2016, 08:09:29 PM

Meh I have Rocky Barlow Bartel plus Wingard and Robbo already miles behind forget about not trading premos for me the rage trading starts this week and will continue over the next few weeks , I am not going to sit back and go under quietly :P

Ringo · April 05, 2016, 08:18:52 PM

The good reason to trade Rocky is because of injury. Really concerning is the statement that although scans revealed no tear in calf it is nerve related similar to the back complaint which was nerve related keeping him out of the NAB cup. Gee this makes me nervous with nerve issues being responsible for both.

So with that happy with an injury trade.

Barlow on the other hand it is hard to get a handle on. just how long do you keep an underperforming prem who is losing cash. My policy is give it 3/4 weeks and see if situation improves and whether Freo change style after 2 defeats.
Bartel and Rich are holds - Remember Brisbane mids are still missing Beams and Robbo so their return with Rockliff in due course should see Rich improve.

You are not alone in your wondering but remember it is a marathon not a sprint. I am getting Papley in this week as he is a must for cash gain and whether I do the second trade of Rockliff still considering.

crowls · April 05, 2016, 08:20:15 PM

Quote from: shaker on April 05, 2016, 08:09:29 PM
Meh I have Rocky Barlow Bartel plus Wingard and Robbo already miles behind forget about not trading premos for me the rage trading starts this week and will continue over the next few weeks , I am not going to sit back and go under quietly :P

Understand your pain, ;D . Makes the point that if you have 4/5 premo not performing there is more pressure to trade to improve team scores with little downside.
I can just as easily sit in here in two weeks time with another 3 x 60/70 scores from Barlow Bartel and Rich and be in despair. Downgrades to do and 3 prems stinking the place up. I can feel the URGE BUILDING! The urge to purge.

crowls · April 05, 2016, 08:28:37 PM

Quote from: Ringo on April 05, 2016, 08:18:52 PM
The good reason to trade Rocky is because of injury. Really concerning is the statement that although scans revealed no tear in calf it is nerve related similar to the back complaint which was nerve related keeping him out of the NAB cup. Gee this makes me nervous with nerve issues being responsible for both.

So with that happy with an injury trade.

Barlow on the other hand it is hard to get a handle on. just how long do you keep an underperforming prem who is losing cash. My policy is give it 3/4 weeks and see if situation improves and whether Freo change style after 2 defeats.
Bartel and Rich are holds - Remember Brisbane mids are still missing Beams and Robbo so their return with Rockliff in due course should see Rich improve.

You are not alone in your wondering but remember it is a marathon not a sprint. I am getting Papley in this week as he is a must for cash gain and whether I do the second trade of Rockliff still considering.

Thanks Ringo, had not heard about the nerve related issue with his calf. Calf injuries worry me as they are often difficult to overcome unless you give it enough time to fully recover. 2 weeks is not enough even with great physio.
3/4 weeks for a premo seems reasonable. Re: Barlow why can't he play in mids under the new Fremantle game structure. Before Ross chucks it away surely he must give a Barlow a chance in the mids to see if he helps lift the team.

Thoughts on Brisbane mids returning and Rich make sense as well. Though if you were going to have a run with player when playing Brisbane Rich would be your target because it just works all the time.

acroyale · April 05, 2016, 09:04:23 PM

It's been said before by some experienced coaches - you can't make places on the leaders by copying their team. You chose your players for a reason, sometimes holding a player has huge impact later in season ( I had great success by holding newnes last year when doubters thought he wasn't going to break out) and an extra trade at seasons end can mean you have a premium on field over a rookie or doughnut, this can vastly improve your overall ranking...

Having said all above I am still undecided on Rockliff and Barlow - I think rocky loophole is a benefit and can cover til his return and when he does he will be a POD that can go big! Barlow had similar scores like this last year, Ross I feel will increase his mid time or likely drop him if his output is lacking making it an easier decision.

crowls · April 06, 2016, 12:24:00 AM

Quote from: acroyale on April 05, 2016, 09:04:23 PM
It's been said before by some experienced coaches - you can't make places on the leaders by copying their team. You chose your players for a reason, sometimes holding a player has huge impact later in season ( I had great success by holding newnes last year when doubters thought he wasn't going to break out) and an extra trade at seasons end can mean you have a premium on field over a rookie or doughnut, this can vastly improve your overall ranking...

Having said all above I am still undecided on Rockliff and Barlow - I think rocky loophole is a benefit and can cover til his return and when he does he will be a POD that can go big! Barlow had similar scores like this last year, Ross I feel will increase his mid time or likely drop him if his output is lacking making it an easier decision.

Good points AC,. It doesn't take long before a 500pt gap opens up and feel the need for POD's.
With Rocky like you I am hanging tough, atm same with Barlow and Rich. If Ross drops Barlow he will become Zach or Zaha, or possibly Crouch. Not convinced S Gray will stay up and already have Dusty, Hall and Wells. Bennell interests me as a POD option. Also dont have Petracca yet but he is my first downgrade option in a couple of weeks.

Nolittleblackbook · April 06, 2016, 04:20:28 PM

In my opinion, it is important to maintain some growth in your points per game. In Rocky and Rich case, they could be on the bench for a week or two - Barlow however is leaking cash. Papley is a must. I have had Petracca from the start and think he will deliver

I have replaced barlow with Hall and gone Papley for Gresham

tor01doc · April 06, 2016, 10:25:16 PM

With regards Rocky's calf, normal scan means no tissue damage to repair.

Is not the same as a torn muscle.

StuL · April 06, 2016, 11:05:30 PM

Rocky is an injury trade. Barlow corrective. Although he may come good, for me the only forward underperforming is Barlow so to get Papley, the only rookie i really missed, he has to go and I have no faith in Freo right now. They're on the slide and Barlow will be too. Rocky, I have a gut feeling the 2 weeks is just a guess. They don't really know. Nerve issue? We could be here in 10 weeks asking where's Rocky? You'll hold him for 2 and find out it's another 2 and in the meantime leaked points by playing a rookie. I'm more cautious than ever about saving trades but they are also there to be used.

Cookie Monster · April 07, 2016, 03:43:53 AM

I don't think there's anything wrong with tweaking your team early in this season. No one can know for sure that the team they field round 1 will all produce what everyone expects.

GCSkiwi · April 07, 2016, 06:21:53 AM

Quote from: tor01doc on April 06, 2016, 10:25:16 PM
With regards Rocky's calf, normal scan means no tissue damage to repair.

Is not the same as a torn muscle.

Ringo was saying something about them suspecting nerve damage or something like that? If anything that's more concerning to me...

Goosey · April 07, 2016, 07:37:49 AM

Trading Rocky, keeping Barlow.

AaronKirk · April 07, 2016, 10:38:52 AM

Definitely keeping Bartel and Barlow. Why does Bartel need to be traded. Playing a friendly role just needs to not cop a knee in the head or play in a side which was terrible last week.

Rocky I am keeping this week as my loophole and will assess him next week.