corrective trades

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GCSkiwi

Quote from: Torpedo10 on March 29, 2016, 11:44:21 AM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on March 29, 2016, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Holz on March 29, 2016, 11:10:37 AM
have to admit Seeds to Mckenzie is almost on the cards.

Seeds has one more week.

the 80k I can pocket will be mighty helpfull.

Really Holz? McKenzie had a big second half, was on 35 at HT, and bumped up 5 points by scaling. I know Seeds was disappointing but still, don't think McKenzie will be a spectacular replacement for the cost of a trade +80k...
Consider this GC:

Seeds has another 60 odd game and Mac goes 90+ again. the trade, which has a net worth of roundabout 140k will gain you 80k, along with the price increase from Mac and decrease from Seeds. if this also returns a better average, I'd say the trade is well worth it.

Don't have any midpricers right now as I took on BSmith, but if I did I'd be strongly considering a downgrade to Mac if they were underperforming.

Going off their scoring history, Seeds and Mac have similar scoring capability, no reason for me to think that Mac coming back from injury has suddenly upped his game to be a 95 scorer. So even if he gets another 90 next week, I can't see him keeping it up, and the 90s will drop out pretty quickly. Seeds won't lose much/any money, his BE is 63. I don't look at trades as a dollar value, I look at how they affect your team. Trading Seeds to Mac in my mind sure you net 80k from the trade, but consider that your stepping stone player is instantly worth 80k less too. if they go on to average similarly as history suggests, Mac won't have any greater value than Seeds as a stepping stone. They might end up similar prices so you're 80k ahead from the initial trade, but that's it.

It might turn out Mac was the better player to start, but I think I would need Mac to have another 90 and Seeds to throw in a 20 for me to do it.

Raiden

Quote from: Holz on March 29, 2016, 11:10:37 AM
have to admit Seeds to Mckenzie is almost on the cards.

Seeds has one more week.

the 80k I can pocket will be mighty helpfull.

He was good in the first quarter then went missing, keen to watch him in the showdown this week @ his home ground - If he play's the same again, then his more then likely gone, it will just depend on what other correctional trades will be required & take priority.

AaronKirk

Surely no one is trading this week unless they have an LTI or suspension?

GCSkiwi

Quote from: AaronKirk on March 29, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
Surely no one is trading this week unless they have an LTI or suspension?

About 1% of this forum, but the rest of the general public aren't tragics like us ;)

Dons

Quote from: GCSkiwi on March 29, 2016, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on March 29, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
Surely no one is trading this week unless they have an LTI or suspension?

About 1% of this forum, but the rest of the general public aren't tragics like us ;)
I hate to admit it, but I'm seriously considering it. On Friday I had Hewitt, papley, Ben Kennedy, longeran and jj in my team. By the first Saturday game I swapped them all out for Dunkley, McCarthy, mills, seedsman and McGovern... I also don't have Mckenzie or Weids, so I have a few decisions to make. Last year I persisted with early bad selections like bellchambers and Lumumba to save trades, which clearly didn't work. BenK looks to have cemented his spot at the Dee's, so might come in this week.

timtim

Quote from: Dons on March 29, 2016, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on March 29, 2016, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on March 29, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
Surely no one is trading this week unless they have an LTI or suspension?

About 1% of this forum, but the rest of the general public aren't tragics like us ;)
I hate to admit it, but I'm seriously considering it. On Friday I had Hewitt, papley, Ben Kennedy, longeran and jj in my team. By the first Saturday game I swapped them all out for Dunkley, McCarthy, mills, seedsman and McGovern... I also don't have Mckenzie or Weids, so I have a few decisions to make. Last year I persisted with early bad selections like bellchambers and Lumumba to save trades, which clearly didn't work. BenK looks to have cemented his spot at the Dee's, so might come in this week.

Just walk away from SC now pal...

Holz

Quote from: GCSkiwi on March 29, 2016, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Holz on March 29, 2016, 11:10:37 AM
have to admit Seeds to Mckenzie is almost on the cards.

Seeds has one more week.

the 80k I can pocket will be mighty helpfull.

Really Holz? McKenzie had a big second half, was on 35 at HT, and bumped up 5 points by scaling. I know Seeds was disappointing but still, don't think McKenzie will be a spectacular replacement for the cost of a trade +80k...

will see how he goes. Wilson is who i really want. I liked the look of him all preseason then pulled out. for 50k that may be worth a trade.


NickyBoy

Quote from: Holz on March 29, 2016, 01:26:06 PM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on March 29, 2016, 11:25:37 AM
Quote from: Holz on March 29, 2016, 11:10:37 AM
have to admit Seeds to Mckenzie is almost on the cards.

Seeds has one more week.

the 80k I can pocket will be mighty helpfull.

Really Holz? McKenzie had a big second half, was on 35 at HT, and bumped up 5 points by scaling. I know Seeds was disappointing but still, don't think McKenzie will be a spectacular replacement for the cost of a trade +80k...

will see how he goes. Wilson is who i really want. I liked the look of him all preseason then pulled out. for 50k that may be worth a trade.
Haven't heard much of Wilson. Is he a good option? The one player i was really impressed with this round was Phil Davis. His intercept marking was fantastic. Only ~25k more than seedsman.

Just a quick question, i'm facing a dilemma with not having papley or hewett in my team. With seedy scoring poorly and if Mckenzie pulls out another big game, i'm left with 3 trades to do with only 2 available. Should I take a punt and trade out Gresham for Hewett this week?  :-\

bottlemart

Quote from: timtim on March 29, 2016, 01:22:28 PM
Quote from: Dons on March 29, 2016, 01:15:11 PM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on March 29, 2016, 12:58:38 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on March 29, 2016, 12:31:03 PM
Surely no one is trading this week unless they have an LTI or suspension?

About 1% of this forum, but the rest of the general public aren't tragics like us ;)
I hate to admit it, but I'm seriously considering it. On Friday I had Hewitt, papley, Ben Kennedy, longeran and jj in my team. By the first Saturday game I swapped them all out for Dunkley, McCarthy, mills, seedsman and McGovern... I also don't have Mckenzie or Weids, so I have a few decisions to make. Last year I persisted with early bad selections like bellchambers and Lumumba to save trades, which clearly didn't work. BenK looks to have cemented his spot at the Dee's, so might come in this week.

Just walk away from SC now pal...
That's pretty harsh.  I think the Ben Kennedy inclusion is a good idea if there is a mid or forward underperforming.  Whether that's this week or next week.  The only risk would be that BKen only plays this week and then gets injured, looks unlikely to get dropped the way he is playing.

GCSkiwi

Quote from: bottlemart on March 29, 2016, 01:58:18 PM
That's pretty harsh.  I think the Ben Kennedy inclusion is a good idea if there is a mid or forward underperforming.  Whether that's this week or next week.  The only risk would be that BKen only plays this week and then gets injured, looks unlikely to get dropped the way he is playing.

Pretty sure it's just a pisstake... Even if Bennedy might be a good iclusion, for exactly the chance you've mentioned, you don't trade him in for another week. The one and only reason you should trade after week one is injury, so Swan and Hodge owners may be forgiven. Even then though, I'd be tempted to hold a week and assess the field but that depends on your team makeup.

Disclaimer, this comes from someone who curses himself every year for not taking more risks...

PICCOLLO

Quote from: GCSkiwi on March 29, 2016, 02:17:37 PM
Quote from: bottlemart on March 29, 2016, 01:58:18 PM
That's pretty harsh.  I think the Ben Kennedy inclusion is a good idea if there is a mid or forward underperforming.  Whether that's this week or next week.  The only risk would be that BKen only plays this week and then gets injured, looks unlikely to get dropped the way he is playing.

Pretty sure it's just a pisstake... Even if Bennedy might be a good iclusion, for exactly the chance you've mentioned, you don't trade him in for another week. The one and only reason you should trade after week one is injury, so Swan and Hodge owners may be forgiven. Even then though, I'd be tempted to hold a week and assess the field but that depends on your team makeup.

Disclaimer, this comes from someone who curses himself every year for not taking more risks...

I think Swan owners SHOULD be trading this week.  Ain't nothing to reassess there.

GCSkiwi

Quote from: PICCOLLO on March 29, 2016, 02:43:55 PM
Quote from: GCSkiwi on March 29, 2016, 02:17:37 PM
Quote from: bottlemart on March 29, 2016, 01:58:18 PM
That's pretty harsh.  I think the Ben Kennedy inclusion is a good idea if there is a mid or forward underperforming.  Whether that's this week or next week.  The only risk would be that BKen only plays this week and then gets injured, looks unlikely to get dropped the way he is playing.

Pretty sure it's just a pisstake... Even if Bennedy might be a good iclusion, for exactly the chance you've mentioned, you don't trade him in for another week. The one and only reason you should trade after week one is injury, so Swan and Hodge owners may be forgiven. Even then though, I'd be tempted to hold a week and assess the field but that depends on your team makeup.

Disclaimer, this comes from someone who curses himself every year for not taking more risks...

I think Swan owners SHOULD be trading this week.  Ain't nothing to reassess there.

Assess who you're trading him to ;) Anyone who pulled a trade like GAJ into Sloane last year will know :P
You don't lose anything other than points having Swan on the bench this week if you've got decent cover for him.

enzedder

#192
There's nothing wrong with doing a corrective trade this week if you've got more than 2 worries. By doing an early trade you might free up 2 next week. What happens if you get a LTI next week and you're committed to doing 2 correctional trades? You're playing catch up the next week. That's what.
Sometimes NAB form, roles of players and planning don't look as they appeared when the real thing starts in R1.
Sometimes sitting on your hands can bite you on the ar$e. Sometimes you'll be glad you ignored those itchy fingers and saved the trades.
If you don't think you've made the right decision or have missed out on a must have then it is okay to trade this week.
It's all well and good for others to say not to but they're not coaching your team. Weigh it up and think about it.
Personally I'm in a good space. My rookies all went okay and seem to be popular picks when looking at other successful coach's teams. That said I don't have BKennedy and I would like to have another look at Hall. They're potentially the two I want. To get them I'm considering trading out Milera and Wines.
It would be foolish to do those trades this week as Hall played against Essendon and it would be good to see how he goes this week against a stronger Freo line up... BKennedy might have a low score... Wines could go huge... Milera could get more of it... And I'll go off the idea.
The other thing to consider though is who else you got/ who you don't and by not dealing with it this week who are you going to be stuck with and who will you miss out on next week or have to pay more for later.
I don't have Papley or Hewett either by not trading this week... And I probably won't... I won't be able to have all the good rooks if they back up. 2 trades doesn't split into 4.
To sum up I suppose I'm saying it's worth trading early on correctional trades to get your team right but know that R1 form isn't the be all and end all.

Hawker_08

Rockliff 4th most traded out...

jvalles69

Quote from: enzedder on March 29, 2016, 03:55:45 PM
There's nothing wrong with doing a corrective trade this week if you've got more than 2 worries. By doing an early trade you might free up 2 next week. What happens if you get a LTI next week and you're committed to doing 2 correctional trades? You're playing catch up the next week. That's what.
Sometimes NAB form, roles of players and planning don't look as they appeared when the real thing starts in R1.
Sometimes sitting on your hands can bite you on the ar$e. Sometimes you'll be glad you ignored those itchy fingers and saved the trades.
If you don't think you've made the right decision or have missed out on a must have then it is okay to trade this week.
It's all well and good for others to say not to but they're not coaching your team. Weigh it up and think about it.
Personally I'm in a good space. My rookies all went okay and seem to be popular picks when looking at other successful coach's teams. That said I don't have BKennedy and I would like to have another look at Hall. They're potentially the two I want. To get them I'm considering trading out Milera and Wines.
It would be foolish to do those trades this week as Hall played against Essendon and it would be good to see how he goes this week against a stronger Freo line up... BKennedy might have a low score... Wines could go huge... Milera could get more of it... And I'll go off the idea.
The other thing to consider though is who else you got/ who you don't and by not dealing with it this week who are you going to be stuck with and who will you miss out on next week or have to pay more for later.
I don't have Papley or Hewett either by not trading this week... And I probably won't... I won't be able to have all the good rooks if they back up. 2 trades doesn't split into 4.
To sum up I suppose I'm saying it's worth trading early on correctional trades to get your team right but know that R1 form isn't the be all and end all.

++1 ^ This.

Totally agree.  I'm in pretty good shape too, but would consider moving Robbo this week if injured and if Fyfe stinks it up again then I may consider moving him next week.  1 side of the story is he's a keeper and will be top 10 by seasons end, but the other side is a trade him out before he drops that 80K, and bring him back when he bottoms out...some might say a waste of 2 trades, but at the end of the day luck plays a massive part in what happens to your team.  I think of fantasy AFL now like the stock market, got to move the ship before it sinks and when it bottoms out pick it back up.  I agree burning trades isn't the best strategy, but it might be the one risk you take that sets your team a part from the rest.