Libba... do we worry?

[Holz]

I think its a valid question that has been asked.  Is Libba a cash cow or a keeper?  Will he be in the top 8 mids, does the emergence of bont, wallis, stringer and hunter affect libbas scores, can he still produce his 2014 high average of 110 on the back of a serious knee injury.  If Libba is not a keeper, then do you look at spending a between $140k and $180k extra and getting Viney, Wines or Parker.  Will Libba outscore those guys, and will Libbas knee last the season.

I do recall many people this time last year who were putting shower on those who said they weren't starting with Ablett, and some seemed to take it quite personally that people were saying no to Ablett.  I remember many saying Ablett was a must have this time last year, and some I know picked Ablett twice, and then traded him out twice.

Libba may be a good pick, he may not, time will tell, but for a bit more $ or a bit less, is there a better pick.

not really a fair comparison as libba looks healthy had pretty much a full preseason and played in the NABs. If it wasnt ablett I wouldnt have picked him last year nad I wouldnt be picking him this year.

stepping stone or keeper will be determined on how much he averages, when if you have spare cash and how your trades are looking.

with no mid rookies he becomes more and more of a lock. Its not like we can just downgrade him.

[petefisker]

But is he a must have over B.Crouch?
Had Libba all pre-season but just needed the money on other lines.
Got B.Crouch at D6 and the only way I can bring Libba back is to go:
Heater > Laird and Goldy > NicNat/Gawn and upgrade a rookie to Libba.
My team looks stronger without him.  ::)

[bottlemart]

Fair call Holz,

That's what I wanted to see, a legitimate case for Libba, and against if there is one.

Last year I passed on ablett, but I do recall some of the arguments for picking Ablett were because he was ablett, and if you didn't pick him you were crazy.

Respect your opinion Holz, you always make a good case, that being the case, So will you be passing on Ablett this year.

[bottlemart]

But is he a must have over B.Crouch?
Had Libba all pre-season but just needed the money on other lines.
Got B.Crouch at D6 and the only way I can bring Libba back is to go:
Heater > Laird and Goldy > NicNat/Gawn and upgrade a rookie to Libba.
My team looks stronger without him.  ::)

Yes good point, I did the same and it looked good without him aswell.  I'm still undecided though.

[IntegralX]

But is he a must have over B.Crouch?
Had Libba all pre-season but just needed the money on other lines.
Got B.Crouch at D6 and the only way I can bring Libba back is to go:
Heater > Laird and Goldy > NicNat/Gawn and upgrade a rookie to Libba.
My team looks stronger without him.  ::)

Yes he's a must over crouch unless you can spend that 60k somewhere good.

[Holz]

Fair call Holz,

That's what I wanted to see, a legitimate case for Libba, and against if there is one.

Last year I passed on ablett, but I do recall some of the arguments for picking Ablett were because he was ablett, and if you didn't pick him you were crazy.

Respect your opinion Holz, you always make a good case, that being the case, So will you be passing on Ablett this year.

Im not passing on ablett, because he is ablett.

also i dont like the mid rookies.

[MC]

I currently don't have him in my squad, though I have 170k spare in case the rookies I want aren't named for rd1.

My reason is that he won't average enough to be a keeper, and he needs to average 105 to make the same cash as one of those 150k rookies averaging 65. In terms of cash generation, i'm more confident with the rookies. As a keeper he needs that same 105 at minimum, and coming back off of a knee I can't see it happening unfortunately, especially given the evolution of the dogs as a team and their emerging players.

[Wanderer]

Would you have Libba over Oliver who is $207K?

[MC]

Would you have Libba over Oliver who is $207K?

Of course you would, though that's not really a fair comparison.

200k rookie + Danger = 850k
Libba (357k) + 490k mid (???) = 850k as well. 

So Oliver + Danger   vs    Libba + Viney?
I say option #1 wins.

[RaisyDaisy]

I currently don't have him in my squad, though I have 170k spare in case the rookies I want aren't named for rd1.

My reason is that he won't average enough to be a keeper, and he needs to average 105 to make the same cash as one of those 150k rookies averaging 65. In terms of cash generation, i'm more confident with the rookies. As a keeper he needs that same 105 at minimum, and coming back off of a knee I can't see it happening unfortunately, especially given the evolution of the dogs as a team and their emerging players.

You're not factoring in the extra points and JS Libba gets you vs the cheaper rookie though

I'll happily make 50k less with Libba than a rookie and get his points and possible keeper/M9 cover in return

[Wanderer]

Would you have Libba over Oliver who is $207K?

Of course you would, though that's not really a fair comparison.

200k rookie + Danger = 850k
Libba (357k) + 490k mid (???) = 850k as well. 

So Oliver + Danger   vs    Libba + Viney?
I say option #1 wins.

The attraction with Libba is that there is the chance he becomes a keeper (not a huge chance) or even an M9, and at his price, he might also make some decent coin if traded out.....not to mention the higher scores from day one he should pump out vs a rookie.

I think it comes down to structure and how the extra $150K you save buying Oliver is invested.

[Bully]

Would you have Libba over Oliver who is $207K?

Of course you would, though that's not really a fair comparison.

200k rookie + Danger = 850k
Libba (357k) + 490k mid (???) = 850k as well. 

So Oliver + Danger   vs    Libba + Viney?
I say option #1 wins.

The attraction with Libba is that there is the chance he becomes a keeper (not a huge chance) or even an M9, and at his price, he might also make some decent coin if traded out.....not to mention the higher scores from day one he should pump out vs a rookie.

I think it comes down to structure and how the extra $150K you save buying Oliver is invested.

Libba would only need to average 105 in my opinion, the 5 point difference for 'keeper' status simply isn't worth a trade. Think about it, 5 x 22 = 110 points, if we're aiming for 115avg then it's still only 220 points, and you may as well halve that because it won't happen until mid year.

[Wanderer]

Would you have Libba over Oliver who is $207K?

Of course you would, though that's not really a fair comparison.

200k rookie + Danger = 850k
Libba (357k) + 490k mid (???) = 850k as well. 

So Oliver + Danger   vs    Libba + Viney?
I say option #1 wins.

The attraction with Libba is that there is the chance he becomes a keeper (not a huge chance) or even an M9, and at his price, he might also make some decent coin if traded out.....not to mention the higher scores from day one he should pump out vs a rookie.

I think it comes down to structure and how the extra $150K you save buying Oliver is invested.

Libba would only need to average 105 in my opinion, the 5 point difference for 'keeper' status simply isn't worth a trade. Think about it, 5 x 22 = 110 points, if we're aiming for 115avg then it's still only 220 points, and you may as well halve that because it won't happen until mid year.

Makes sense, but then we have to hope he can average 105. I didn't see the pre-season games he played in, but will he be predominantly midfield because his tackling has helped keep his scores higher in the past so you want him in heat of the action for longer.

[dale93]

I'm going hunter over libba

[jvalles69]

I'm going hunter over libba

Interesting, I've done this in AF and RDT, but the 50-60K price difference in SC doesn't make it appealing...