Round 1 Sydney v Collingwood - Saturday 26th March 7:25 - SCG

LF · March 21, 2016, 04:52:59 PM

Going with the Swans at home but the Pies with all their new additions should take it up to the Swans,should be a good game.

frenzy · March 21, 2016, 08:47:11 PM

magpies travel round 1, flower me that's a mistake surely.

T Dog · March 21, 2016, 08:58:58 PM

Pies by 26 pts. No match up on Cloke. He will go huuuuuge.

Hagebear · March 23, 2016, 06:19:52 AM

Could have some high midfield numbers in this one. Will be interesting to see who takes buddy, think he's going under the radar a bit this year after what happened towards the end of last year. Reckon he will go bang!! Sydney by 8pts.

Rusty00 · March 23, 2016, 10:15:57 AM

I actually think Collingwood might win this one.

Will probably still tip Sydney though :P

AaronKirk · March 23, 2016, 01:06:41 PM

Collingwood comfortably. I don't rate Sydney.

The Swans mids in general are not great ball users, they rely too heavily on Richards and Grundy down back who cannot stay at their unbelievable level forever, they lack a quality ruck (Sinclair will be a gun but needs time) and if Buddy doesn't go big they will struggle to kick a winning score.

quinny88 · March 23, 2016, 07:05:29 PM

Quote from: AaronKirk on March 23, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
Collingwood comfortably. I don't rate Sydney.

The Swans mids in general are not great ball users, they rely too heavily on Richards and Grundy down back who cannot stay at their unbelievable level forever, they lack a quality ruck (Sinclair will be a gun but needs time) and if Buddy doesn't go big they will struggle to kick a winning score.

How can you not rate Sydney? :o they've been top 4 for as long as I can remember.

Should be a close game but the swans at the SCG should get the job done

JBs-Hawks · March 23, 2016, 07:09:00 PM

Swans at the SCG, Collingwood at ANZ.

quinny88 · March 23, 2016, 07:10:13 PM

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on March 23, 2016, 07:09:00 PM
Swans at the SCG, Collingwood at ANZ.

Don't bring it up.. Eddie will have a tantrum

AaronKirk · March 24, 2016, 01:48:10 AM

Quote from: quinny88 on March 23, 2016, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on March 23, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
Collingwood comfortably. I don't rate Sydney.

The Swans mids in general are not great ball users, they rely too heavily on Richards and Grundy down back who cannot stay at their unbelievable level forever, they lack a quality ruck (Sinclair will be a gun but needs time) and if Buddy doesn't go big they will struggle to kick a winning score.

How can you not rate Sydney? :o they've been top 4 for as long as I can remember.

Should be a close game but the swans at the SCG should get the job done

Their best 2 mids Hanneberry and JPK are rated as 2 of the worst 6 kicks by Champion Data for top level mids in the comp.

They were ranked by Champion Data as the worst team in the comp for hitting targets inside 50 last year. In this particular stat there was a 2% difference between 1st and 17th (West Coast 1st and Essendon 17th) but the gap between Essendon and Sydney was 2% (this was discussed in detail on Monday's episode of On The Couch)

As I said above they rely too heavily on Richards and Grundy down back. They are not getting younger and will only decline and not get better. If Tippett plays ruck predominately then Buddy needs to IMO kick 70-80 goals for the swans to make or for Parker and Heeney to have 30+ goal seasons which I cannot see happening.

They have lost their best 2 kicks in Shaw and Jetta and are replacing them with Mills (a gun in the making but a rookie) and Jones who is unproven. Michael Talia is next cab off the rank if there is an injury to Richards or Grundy and he struggled to get games in a young Bulldogs defense. The ruck is an issue. Sinclair will be a talent but will need time before he becomes the player they want to be and if Buddy or Tippett are kept quiet they cannot kick a winning score

They have a lot of holes in their side. I think the $3.12 available with Sportsbet for the Swans to miss the 8 is just about a good thing. They have absolutely zero chance of winning the flag and IMO by mid season they will throw their kids in and blood them.

They had a soft draw last year. Against sides that made the 8 last year they had a 3 win and 7 loss record and scored 100+ points only once. Against the sides that did not play finals they had a 15 win and 1 loss record.

Their draw is Collingwood at home, Carlton away, GWS, Adelaide away, West Coast at home, Brisbane away, Essendon at home, Richmond away, Hawthorn away, North home, Gold Coast away, GWS and Melbourne home leading into the bye.

Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and Gold Coast, Melbourne for me are wins
The 2 games v GWS are 50/50
The others are losses.

At best they will be 7/6 and could be 5/8 at the bye. After the bye they bulldogs home, Cats away, hawthorn home, Carlton home, Freo away, Port Home, Saints away, North away, Richmond home

Based on last season's results history and predictions for this year its a loss, loss, loss, win, loss, 50/50 (probable loss) , win, loss, loss

At best I have them winning 11 games (and could sneak into the finals) at worst 8.

Why they are $12 to win the flag I don't understand.

You asked why I don't rate the swans and my opinion is above. I may be crazy but analyzing the comp as a whole this year more intently to keep interested as I know my side are no good.

SydneyRox · March 24, 2016, 02:04:46 AM

Not sure we are going to win on the weekend, but I feel a lot more confident about the season as a whole than AK

Still think we will push for top4, and depending on injuries and timing the run towards finals should be in a prelim at worst

Ricochet · March 24, 2016, 02:08:29 AM

Quote from: AaronKirk on March 24, 2016, 01:48:10 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 23, 2016, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on March 23, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
Collingwood comfortably. I don't rate Sydney.

The Swans mids in general are not great ball users, they rely too heavily on Richards and Grundy down back who cannot stay at their unbelievable level forever, they lack a quality ruck (Sinclair will be a gun but needs time) and if Buddy doesn't go big they will struggle to kick a winning score.

How can you not rate Sydney? :o they've been top 4 for as long as I can remember.

Should be a close game but the swans at the SCG should get the job done

Their best 2 mids Hanneberry and JPK are rated as 2 of the worst 6 kicks by Champion Data for top level mids in the comp.

They were ranked by Champion Data as the worst team in the comp for hitting targets inside 50 last year. In this particular stat there was a 2% difference between 1st and 17th (West Coast 1st and Essendon 17th) but the gap between Essendon and Sydney was 2% (this was discussed in detail on Monday's episode of On The Couch)

As I said above they rely too heavily on Richards and Grundy down back. They are not getting younger and will only decline and not get better. If Tippett plays ruck predominately then Buddy needs to IMO kick 70-80 goals for the swans to make or for Parker and Heeney to have 30+ goal seasons which I cannot see happening.

They have lost their best 2 kicks in Shaw and Jetta and are replacing them with Mills (a gun in the making but a rookie) and Jones who is unproven. Michael Talia is next cab off the rank if there is an injury to Richards or Grundy and he struggled to get games in a young Bulldogs defense. The ruck is an issue. Sinclair will be a talent but will need time before he becomes the player they want to be and if Buddy or Tippett are kept quiet they cannot kick a winning score

They have a lot of holes in their side. I think the $3.12 available with Sportsbet for the Swans to miss the 8 is just about a good thing. They have absolutely zero chance of winning the flag and IMO by mid season they will throw their kids in and blood them.

They had a soft draw last year. Against sides that made the 8 last year they had a 3 win and 7 loss record and scored 100+ points only once. Against the sides that did not play finals they had a 15 win and 1 loss record.

Their draw is Collingwood at home, Carlton away, GWS, Adelaide away, West Coast at home, Brisbane away, Essendon at home, Richmond away, Hawthorn away, North home, Gold Coast away, GWS and Melbourne home leading into the bye.

Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and Gold Coast, Melbourne for me are wins
The 2 games v GWS are 50/50
The others are losses.

At best they will be 7/6 and could be 5/8 at the bye. After the bye they bulldogs home, Cats away, hawthorn home, Carlton home, Freo away, Port Home, Saints away, North away, Richmond home

Based on last season's results history and predictions for this year its a loss, loss, loss, win, loss, 50/50 (probable loss) , win, loss, loss

At best I have them winning 11 games (and could sneak into the finals) at worst 8.

Why they are $12 to win the flag I don't understand.

You asked why I don't rate the swans and my opinion is above. I may be crazy but analyzing the comp as a whole this year more intently to keep interested as I know my side are no good.

I share most of your thoughts mate. I'm picking them to slide a little.
They have a lot of young guns though so they certainly aren't falling away completely, but i have my doubts this year

AaronKirk · March 24, 2016, 02:14:02 AM

Quote from: Ricochet on March 24, 2016, 02:08:29 AM
Quote from: AaronKirk on March 24, 2016, 01:48:10 AM
Quote from: quinny88 on March 23, 2016, 07:05:29 PM
Quote from: AaronKirk on March 23, 2016, 01:06:41 PM
Collingwood comfortably. I don't rate Sydney.

The Swans mids in general are not great ball users, they rely too heavily on Richards and Grundy down back who cannot stay at their unbelievable level forever, they lack a quality ruck (Sinclair will be a gun but needs time) and if Buddy doesn't go big they will struggle to kick a winning score.

How can you not rate Sydney? :o they've been top 4 for as long as I can remember.

Should be a close game but the swans at the SCG should get the job done

Their best 2 mids Hanneberry and JPK are rated as 2 of the worst 6 kicks by Champion Data for top level mids in the comp.

They were ranked by Champion Data as the worst team in the comp for hitting targets inside 50 last year. In this particular stat there was a 2% difference between 1st and 17th (West Coast 1st and Essendon 17th) but the gap between Essendon and Sydney was 2% (this was discussed in detail on Monday's episode of On The Couch)

As I said above they rely too heavily on Richards and Grundy down back. They are not getting younger and will only decline and not get better. If Tippett plays ruck predominately then Buddy needs to IMO kick 70-80 goals for the swans to make or for Parker and Heeney to have 30+ goal seasons which I cannot see happening.

They have lost their best 2 kicks in Shaw and Jetta and are replacing them with Mills (a gun in the making but a rookie) and Jones who is unproven. Michael Talia is next cab off the rank if there is an injury to Richards or Grundy and he struggled to get games in a young Bulldogs defense. The ruck is an issue. Sinclair will be a talent but will need time before he becomes the player they want to be and if Buddy or Tippett are kept quiet they cannot kick a winning score

They have a lot of holes in their side. I think the $3.12 available with Sportsbet for the Swans to miss the 8 is just about a good thing. They have absolutely zero chance of winning the flag and IMO by mid season they will throw their kids in and blood them.

They had a soft draw last year. Against sides that made the 8 last year they had a 3 win and 7 loss record and scored 100+ points only once. Against the sides that did not play finals they had a 15 win and 1 loss record.

Their draw is Collingwood at home, Carlton away, GWS, Adelaide away, West Coast at home, Brisbane away, Essendon at home, Richmond away, Hawthorn away, North home, Gold Coast away, GWS and Melbourne home leading into the bye.

Carlton, Essendon, Brisbane and Gold Coast, Melbourne for me are wins
The 2 games v GWS are 50/50
The others are losses.

At best they will be 7/6 and could be 5/8 at the bye. After the bye they bulldogs home, Cats away, hawthorn home, Carlton home, Freo away, Port Home, Saints away, North away, Richmond home

Based on last season's results history and predictions for this year its a loss, loss, loss, win, loss, 50/50 (probable loss) , win, loss, loss

At best I have them winning 11 games (and could sneak into the finals) at worst 8.

Why they are $12 to win the flag I don't understand.

You asked why I don't rate the swans and my opinion is above. I may be crazy but analyzing the comp as a whole this year more intently to keep interested as I know my side are no good.
I share most of your thoughts mate. I'm picking them to slide a little.
They have a lot of young guns though so they certainly aren't falling away completely, but i have my doubts this year

They won't fall away completely but if they give the likes of Heeney and Mills as many games as possible they will be in a great place in years to come.

Capper · March 24, 2016, 02:43:04 AM

Quote from: frenzy on March 21, 2016, 08:47:11 PM
magpies travel round 1, flower me that's a mistake surely.

Did i hear correctly that this is the first time in 26 years the pies will travel interstate for their R1 game?

Eddie must be blowing up about this

I will let someone else insert the Richard Colless photo

GoLions · March 24, 2016, 11:11:09 AM

Quote from: Capper on March 24, 2016, 02:43:04 AM
Quote from: frenzy on March 21, 2016, 08:47:11 PM
magpies travel round 1, flower me that's a mistake surely.
Did i hear correctly that this is the first time in 26 years the pies will travel interstate for their R1 game?

Eddie must be blowing up about this

I will let someone else insert the Richard Colless photo

First time in 1 whole year I believe :P