Richmond 2016 H&A discussion

[Nige]

Troy Chaplin has announced his retirement, effective immediately.

I thought he was particularly handy in his first two seasons with us. Fairly reliable and was just one of those serviceable types who would get the job done.

He's staying on at the club in a coaching capacity.



I actually saw him walking to Punt Rd after the Brisbane game a few weeks ago, I really wanted to ask him for an autograph but didn't and now I really regret it.

[PowerBug]

Worst player of all time, I don't think you missed out on much Nigey ;)

But amazing to see that another ex-Port person has gone to the Richmond coaching ranks, maybe it's been a long term ploy to wreck the club from the inside ;D (Lade, Hardwick, Williams now Chaplin)

[quinny88]

He was actually a good player for us in 13' and 14' and had some really solid years at Port including a 3rd place in their b&f.
Body has gone and he's not part of our future so I would imagine he was offered the opportunity to retire on his terms before he was delisted at the end of the year.
I expect a similar announcement to come from Ivan in the coming weeks, which will mean we don't have a single player over 30. I think Lids might even be the oldest at 28?  :o

[quinny88]

Alright the mini rebuild is underway.
So confirmed retirements are Chaplin, McKenzie and all signs pointing to Maric.
Morris may be "asked" to retire because no one wants to delist a guy with an ACL injury.

Trade where we can (delist the rest): Vickery, Conca, Batchelor, Hunt, Moore, Butler, Elton, McBean (pending what he shows remainder of the year)

Names to throw up to secure some decent picks/Prestia: B.Ellis, Houli, Grigg, Edwards.
Keep our genuine stars at all costs (Dusty, Jack, Rance, Cotch, Lids)
Keep our first pick (looks like it will be a top 5-6 pick) use whatever else we can to aquire ONLY genuine guns to the club.

Go into 2017 with some positional changes to build to the future not just fill gaps for now i.e Vlastuin straight to the midfield where he belongs and his future lays.

FB: J.Short, A.Rance, D.Grimes
HB: C.Yarran, D.Astbury, O.Markov
C: K.Mcintosh, D.Martin, C.Menadue
HF: B.Lennon, B.Griffiths, B.Deledio
FF: S.Lloyd, J.Riewoldt, D.Rioli
Foll: S.Hampson, T.Cotchin, D.Prestia
Int: A.Miles, N.Vlastuin, C.Ellis, J.Castagna

Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile and we would no doubt finish bottom 6-8 again but I think it would be a pretty quick turn around, especially with high draft picks the next 2 years and the depth being young improving players like Broad, Lambert, Drummond and Marcon coming in from the VFL rather than the current depth list cloggers that come in and out like Batchelor, Hunt etc.
We could play the best form players on the list and know they are long term improving players weather in the seniors or VFL.

If I can see Dimma make some big calls like this as he has done the past few weeks of this season then my faith will be restored in him and our ability to push back up the ladder

[shaker]

Alright the mini rebuild is underway.
So confirmed retirements are Chaplin, McKenzie and all signs pointing to Maric.
Morris may be "asked" to retire because no one wants to delist a guy with an ACL injury.

Trade where we can (delist the rest): Vickery, Conca, Batchelor, Hunt, Moore, Butler, Elton, McBean (pending what he shows remainder of the year)

Names to throw up to secure some decent picks/Prestia: B.Ellis, Houli, Grigg, Edwards.
Keep our genuine stars at all costs (Dusty, Jack, Rance, Cotch, Lids)
Keep our first pick (looks like it will be a top 5-6 pick) use whatever else we can to aquire ONLY genuine guns to the club.

Go into 2017 with some positional changes to build to the future not just fill gaps for now i.e Vlastuin straight to the midfield where he belongs and his future lays.

FB: J.Short, A.Rance, D.Grimes
HB: C.Yarran, D.Astbury, O.Markov
C: K.Mcintosh, D.Martin, C.Menadue
HF: B.Lennon, B.Griffiths, B.Deledio
FF: S.Lloyd, J.Riewoldt, D.Rioli
Foll: S.Hampson, T.Cotchin, D.Prestia
Int: A.Miles, N.Vlastuin, C.Ellis, J.Castagna

Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile and we would no doubt finish bottom 6-8 again but I think it would be a pretty quick turn around, especially with high draft picks the next 2 years and the depth being young improving players like Broad, Lambert, Drummond and Marcon coming in from the VFL rather than the current depth list cloggers that come in and out like Batchelor, Hunt etc.
We could play the best form players on the list and know they are long term improving players weather in the seniors or VFL.

If I can see Dimma make some big calls like this as he has done the past few weeks of this season then my faith will be restored in him and our ability to push back up the ladder

Good write Q and agree with the names you have thrown up for trade especially Ellis and Edwards the latter clearly needs a new start somewhere else he continually has no impact on games unless the team is belting sides and Lloyd has clearly taken his spot
the most important thing is to secure Prestia and another ruckmen

[powersuperkents]

Worst player of all time, I don't think you missed out on much Nigey ;)

But amazing to see that another ex-Port person has gone to the Richmond coaching ranks, maybe it's been a long term ploy to wreck the club from the inside ;D (Lade, Hardwick, Williams now Chaplin)

+1

He left Port Adelaide in the most disrespectful way possible.

It caused no detriment to the club (unlike when players like Tippett left their respective clubs) so I shouldn't really be complaining. However, his departure email to the players and the coaching staff was insulting.

Regardless, that was Troy Chaplin - the AFL player, and I wish him the best of luck as a coach

[Nige]

I'm gonna break this down because I agree with parts and not so much with others.

Alright the mini rebuild is underway.
So confirmed retirements are Chaplin, McKenzie and all signs pointing to Maric.
Morris may be "asked" to retire because no one wants to delist a guy with an ACL injury.

Yep, this all true. Ivan will definitely announce his soon too you feel. Not sure about Morris though, I think he may be kept around as a bit of a leader for the younger guys as an example of the effort/heart we need, and as you say, delisting him while he has an ACL looks pretty rough. May be asked to retire though, I just don't see it happening.

Trade where we can (delist the rest): Vickery, Conca, Batchelor, Hunt, Moore, Butler, Elton, McBean (pending what he shows remainder of the year)

It seems likely that one of Ty or Griff will go, Ty being more likely. Conca has been troubled by injuries a lot lately and honestly think he just needs a decent run at it. 2017 would be his last chance imo. Moore, Butler, Elton and McBean are definitely in trouble. Batch is an odd one, I think he's handy depth, we don't really want him playing, but I rather have someone like him ready to come in than blood someone who is not ready at all, we might dump him given Broad is a similar type. Hunt is okay, I think he's gotten a lot unfair hate. He's actually been surprisingly good at times this year and nobody will take him, so I'd rather keep him as an option if we ever need him but would play a kid in front of him.

Names to throw up to secure some decent picks/Prestia: B.Ellis, Houli, Grigg, Edwards.
Keep our genuine stars at all costs (Dusty, Jack, Rance, Cotch, Lids)
Keep our first pick (looks like it will be a top 5-6 pick) use whatever else we can to aquire ONLY genuine guns to the club.

Agreed on the latter two bits, but Houli and Grigg at the very least need to stay. Bach is important to us, a shame he got injured but his role is his and his only. Grigga's past two seasons have been career best. He's one of our oldest and most experienced so I'd keep him for that reason. Ellis has currency imo, but we won't use him because his best is bloody good but he's shutdown and exposed badly this year. Shedda's been slightly interrupted by injury this year as well, and is like Brando in that his best and worst are miles apart.

Go into 2017 with some positional changes to build to the future not just fill gaps for now i.e Vlastuin straight to the midfield where he belongs and his future lays.

FB: J.Short, A.Rance, D.Grimes
HB: C.Yarran, D.Astbury, O.Markov
C: K.Mcintosh, D.Martin, C.Menadue
HF: B.Lennon, B.Griffiths, B.Deledio
FF: S.Lloyd, J.Riewoldt, D.Rioli
Foll: S.Hampson, T.Cotchin, D.Prestia
Int: A.Miles, N.Vlastuin, C.Ellis, J.Castagna

Obviously missing names like Houli etc who imo should be there, still a good (albeit young) side though. The Prestia inclusion helps a ton. Having all of Cotch, Prestia, Miles and Vlastuin winning the hard ball would go a long way.

Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile and we would no doubt finish bottom 6-8 again but I think it would be a pretty quick turn around, especially with high draft picks the next 2 years and the depth being young improving players like Broad, Lambert, Drummond and Marcon coming in from the VFL rather than the current depth list cloggers that come in and out like Batchelor, Hunt etc.
We could play the best form players on the list and know they are long term improving players weather in the seniors or VFL.

Pretty good reflection this bit, can't argue with anything here. It would put us in the same boat as St Kilda/Melbourne types which isn't a bad thing considering both are showing plenty of upside and building good depth to compliment young lists.

If I can see Dimma make some big calls like this as he has done the past few weeks of this season then my faith will be restored in him and our ability to push back up the ladder

Definitely some tough calls to make, will certainly be interested to see if they do or don't happen. My faith is still there, but I'm keen to see a bit of a turnover to the both the list and coaching staff. I don't think being all doom and gloom is necessary because there's pretty good upside if the right calls are made, let's just hope they actually take place.

[Nige]

Worst player of all time, I don't think you missed out on much Nigey ;)

But amazing to see that another ex-Port person has gone to the Richmond coaching ranks, maybe it's been a long term ploy to wreck the club from the inside ;D (Lade, Hardwick, Williams now Chaplin)

Dancing on the grave of a bloke who has just retired is a bit poor.

Sure, I'd be pretty salty too if I was you, given the way he left your club but doesn't excuse talking shower like that.

I reckon that at a time like this, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

[shaker]

Alright the mini rebuild is underway.
So confirmed retirements are Chaplin, McKenzie and all signs pointing to Maric.
Morris may be "asked" to retire because no one wants to delist a guy with an ACL injury.

Trade where we can (delist the rest): Vickery, Conca, Batchelor, Hunt, Moore, Butler, Elton, McBean (pending what he shows remainder of the year)

Names to throw up to secure some decent picks/Prestia: B.Ellis, Houli, Grigg, Edwards.
Keep our genuine stars at all costs (Dusty, Jack, Rance, Cotch, Lids)
Keep our first pick (looks like it will be a top 5-6 pick) use whatever else we can to aquire ONLY genuine guns to the club.

Go into 2017 with some positional changes to build to the future not just fill gaps for now i.e Vlastuin straight to the midfield where he belongs and his future lays.

FB: J.Short, A.Rance, D.Grimes
HB: C.Yarran, D.Astbury, O.Markov
C: K.Mcintosh, D.Martin, C.Menadue
HF: B.Lennon, B.Griffiths, B.Deledio
FF: S.Lloyd, J.Riewoldt, D.Rioli
Foll: S.Hampson, T.Cotchin, D.Prestia
Int: A.Miles, N.Vlastuin, C.Ellis, J.Castagna

Would be the youngest side in the comp by a mile and we would no doubt finish bottom 6-8 again but I think it would be a pretty quick turn around, especially with high draft picks the next 2 years and the depth being young improving players like Broad, Lambert, Drummond and Marcon coming in from the VFL rather than the current depth list cloggers that come in and out like Batchelor, Hunt etc.
We could play the best form players on the list and know they are long term improving players weather in the seniors or VFL.

If I can see Dimma make some big calls like this as he has done the past few weeks of this season then my faith will be restored in him and our ability to push back up the ladder

Good write Q and agree with the names you have thrown up for trade especially Ellis and Edwards the latter clearly needs a new start somewhere else he continually has no impact on games unless the team is belting sides and Lloyd has clearly taken his spot
the most important thing is to secure Prestia and another ruckmen

Also think Houli would be one to keep just a bit more experience down back because as you know I am no fan of Yarran and he will eventually let us down even if he does play , personally I think his playing days are over but like you said it is important for us to keep our draft picks and see what we can get for players you have mentioned and delist the rest

[quinny88]

Yeah all those guys won't go but just throwing up names that I think are worth something decent without giving away our stars.
Gotta give something up to attain picks and decent players

[Ricochet]

Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys

[T Dog]

Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys

No  it isn't >:(

[PowerBug]

Worst player of all time, I don't think you missed out on much Nigey ;)

But amazing to see that another ex-Port person has gone to the Richmond coaching ranks, maybe it's been a long term ploy to wreck the club from the inside ;D (Lade, Hardwick, Williams now Chaplin)

Dancing on the grave of a bloke who has just retired is a bit poor.

Sure, I'd be pretty salty too if I was you, given the way he left your club but doesn't excuse talking shower like that.

I reckon that at a time like this, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all.

Just a fun Nigey :'( He can't be the worst anyway, John Butcher....

Still reckon it's an inside ploy by the Power to wreck the Tigers though :P

[Nige]

Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys

Hammer's definitely our no.1 ruck though, that's his specialty. Would mean Witts has to have stints forward and he's not so good at that. Not sure he'd want to be back up to Hammer.

[Ricochet]

Something like Vickery/Griff to Pies for Witts could be an option for you guys

Hammer's definitely our no.1 ruck though, that's his specialty. Would mean Witts has to have stints forward and he's not so good at that. Not sure he'd want to be back up to Hammer.

Witts > Hampson man

You're looking at a mini rebuild. Hampson is 29 next year and you have a 23yr old ruckman with plenty of ability potentially available... you should be going after him.