Richmond 2016 H&A discussion

[elephants]

if Hardwick doesn't try to tag S Mitchell he should be sacked

Not many (if any) teams are really deploying tags these days tho. Will be interesting to see if Hardwick goes down that path and who he picks to do the job if he does.

[Toga]

More likely to be a Grigg run-with role than a tag. Do what Seb Ross did a few weeks ago and just try to limit the amount of kicks Mitchell can get.

[JBs-Hawks]

But his handballs are just as creative and damaging!

[elephants]

Or just do what GWS did and smash the shower out of the Hawks lol

[Big Mac]

Or just do what GWS did and smash the shower out of the Hawks lol

haha that's a good one

[elephants]

Or just do what GWS did and smash the shower out of the Hawks lol

haha that's a good one

I honestly don't care as long as Jordan Lewis scores more than his standard 30 points haha



Back on topic, Cotchin out. Who steps up through the midfield? Any fringe players get a bigger role? I assume Lids wouldn't be thrown on ball haha

[frenzy]

Lol'd at the condition Yarran turned up at the club. The Tigers  had all this salary cap cash to land a big fish and landed Yaz, lol.

It's not like we didn't try for others. Yarrans not being paid big money and his condition was more a reflection of Carlton than anything.
Seeings as they were trying to play hard ball and saying they wouldn't trade for anything less than our first pick, we did pretty well to hold firm and get him for pick 19. He will be a good player off half back.

Yes, his attitude at Carlton stunk, but that only adds to surprise of the tigers pursuit. I hope he delivers for you when he eventually get on the park.

[kilbluff1985]

not saying i has to be hard tag but if he lets him have 25 touches by half time and still doesn't try to stop it

[quinny88]

People in the media are paid to make big calls. Same people that will be saying we're back on track if we happen to beat hawthorn this week. If we had of beat Collingwood like we should have in the last second and beat port on the weekend we would be sitting 3-3 and no one would bat an eye lid even though the list and form would be the same. People make calls off wins and loses.

Who would you realistically have out the door of our fit best 22 if it were up to you?
And not just based on some poor recent form but players you don't think are up to the level or have potential to get better.

For me one of Vickery or Griff have to go and we need a good CHF
A good ruckman is on the cards for Maric to retire
Another gun mid wouldn't hurt either.
Dont think we need to bottom out and rebuild to gain that

Don't worry there are plenty to get rid of without touching your best 22 this year maybe Griffiths , to start with this year there is Chaplin Morris Hunt Moore Batch and Townsend unless someone can teach him how to dispose of the footy and probably more but we need early draft picks very early how do we get them ? I'll tell you we play kids and lose lots more games . I am not concerned about being at the bottom we are there now any way but we need to get pick 1 or 2 and one more in the top ten and 4 more under pick 30 plus before we need either new recruiters or development staff or both that know what they are doing , really how can a guy like Lennon not be getting a game with the rubbish we have been fielding ?

That's exactly my point. The starters are injured or out of form but the base is there. Just need those guys pushing from underneath which we don't have. I really do hope we finish bottom 4 this year so we can have a small clean out and get some good draft picks. I think it can be a quick turn around. Probably time Francis Jackson moved on, he's been around forever.

Don't get me wrong Q there are still many in your best 22 that I think need to go but because we have so many worse than them they have to survive for now
Griffiths and Vickery - they have not improved first mentioned can't even get a game
Grimes and Conca  -  both always injured Grimes a very ordinary player Conca if get injured again this season I think it is time to see what we can get for him
Astbury - also injury prone and is certainly no star lets see what he does for the rest of the year
Lloyd - started off good this year but has done this every time he cracks the team then disappears for the rest of the year
Maric - been a good servant but his days are up
Lennon - what is going on with him he can't even get a game , he needs to play every game from now on so the club can see what he has got we are in a perfect position to do this now
Vlastuin - it is time to do something with him put him in the mids ? because I don't see why everyone is raving about him AVG. about 15 possies a game so far in his career nothing to flash about that
Mcintosh - not to much to say about him he has been good this year but we him to continue to improve 
Yarran - cant say yet till he plays but his record so far in his career is nothing to get excited about inconsistent with a poor attitude , watch this space
This season is shot really there is no point winning to many games or even trying to make the 8 the only way we can access the best young talent is to go to the bottom we might be able to fix it in one year but I doubt it more like 2 years down there to get enough quality young guys into the team , any way you look at it we are years away from being a contender

I think thats a harsh assessment on a few. Some of those are just simply out of form but are good players.
Agree with you on Griff and Vickery. Atleast one has to go and the 2nd should only ever play 3rd fiddle behind Jack and another gun forward.
Grimes is injury prone as hell but is a very good backman and im confident Astbury will be too if/when he can string some games together.
Lloyd is out of form but is always good for 2-3 goals a game. Its a shame he doesnt have some pace.
Vlastuin doesn't play a high possession role, he's playing as a small shut down defender but will progress into the midfield in time. Could probably make that move now but have heard in the past that he doesnt have the tank yet.
Maric looking like an old man after an interrupted pre season and agree his time looks done.
Mcintosh has been good and Yarran cant really make a call on yet but at his best is one of the most damaging run and carry players in the comp. Hopefully we can actually get his best.

Some of these guys were looking a hell of a lot better last year and have run into some terrible confidence lacking form which happens to the best of players. Same can be said of some of our best players too though. Rance, Cotch and Jack have been very good but Dusty has been down on form, Edwards hasn't been his usual damaging self, Houli had a career best year last year and isnt backing it up so far, Miles has been out of form, Ellis has been terrible.
The group as a whole are just badly out of form or injured which is a blessing in a way because it exposes the holes in our side and where we need to fix to be a contender. I think it will be a quicker turn around than you think

[quinny88]

Current injury list.

Reece Conca    Hamstring   1 week
Trent Cotchin   Cheekbone   2 weeks
Nathan Drummond   Knee   1 week
Dylan Grimes   Hamstring   Test
Kane Lambert   Rib/lung   3-4 weeks
Alex Rance   Suspension   Round eight
Nick Vlastuin   Knee   Test
Chris Yarran   Foot   3-5 weeks

Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond  :-\

[shaker]

Current injury list.

Reece Conca    Hamstring   1 week
Trent Cotchin   Cheekbone   2 weeks
Nathan Drummond   Knee   1 week
Dylan Grimes   Hamstring   Test
Kane Lambert   Rib/lung   3-4 weeks
Alex Rance   Suspension   Round eight
Nick Vlastuin   Knee   Test
Chris Yarran   Foot   3-5 weeks

Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond  :-\

I think another thing is we have not improved and are playing badly where there is a lot of other teams that are showing big improvement , still think that we need at least half a dozen quality players to go with our core players and some good young talent to become contenders but I have been no fan of this top up plan we have been on for years and the cracks are starting to show

[Big Mac]

I think the real question here is, how is the Bean going?

[quinny88]

Current injury list.

Reece Conca    Hamstring   1 week
Trent Cotchin   Cheekbone   2 weeks
Nathan Drummond   Knee   1 week
Dylan Grimes   Hamstring   Test
Kane Lambert   Rib/lung   3-4 weeks
Alex Rance   Suspension   Round eight
Nick Vlastuin   Knee   Test
Chris Yarran   Foot   3-5 weeks

Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond  :-\

I think another thing is we have not improved and are playing badly where there is a lot of other teams that are showing big improvement , still think that we need at least half a dozen quality players to go with our core players and some good young talent to become contenders but I have been no fan of this top up plan we have been on for years and the cracks are starting to show

A new ruckman and a CHF should be top of the shopping list. Problem with those types is that if you go after them through the draft then you need to be prepared to wait 5 years for them to be any good

[shaker]

Current injury list.

Reece Conca    Hamstring   1 week
Trent Cotchin   Cheekbone   2 weeks
Nathan Drummond   Knee   1 week
Dylan Grimes   Hamstring   Test
Kane Lambert   Rib/lung   3-4 weeks
Alex Rance   Suspension   Round eight
Nick Vlastuin   Knee   Test
Chris Yarran   Foot   3-5 weeks

Positive that they are all only short term from here on. The negative is that all of those guys are best 22 players apart from probably Drummond  :-\

I think another thing is we have not improved and are playing badly where there is a lot of other teams that are showing big improvement , still think that we need at least half a dozen quality players to go with our core players and some good young talent to become contenders but I have been no fan of this top up plan we have been on for years and the cracks are starting to show

A new ruckman and a CHF should be top of the shopping list. Problem with those types is that if you go after them through the draft then you need to be prepared to wait 5 years for them to be any good

We will have to try and steal a ruck from somewhere I think but we desperately need at least 2 gun mids ours have been very weak this year Cotchin can't keep being the only one putting his body on the line , the only one that has been putting off contract talks is Omeara but many teams will chase him and the only other option is to finish down the bottom and draft and develope them but we have to stop drafting average or below par players and hoping they turn into guns this is what has got us in the trouble we are in now

P.S  does anyone know what this years crop of draftees are shaping up like ?

[elephants]

Nick Vlastuin was everywhere in the first quarter through the middle. I missed the second half, scoring seems to have dropped after halftime and FF has him playing in defence. Did he get shifted back, and with Rance and Cotchin in next week where do we see him lining up lads?