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Started by eaglesman, February 22, 2016, 09:02:20 PM

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eaglesman

I am currently watching the game for the first time from the weekend.

Pre watching I was pretty confident in mills and then his scoring from weekend only made my thoughts on him justified.

But now I am watching it ... No way near as confident. Whilst I like he got some short pocket uncontested kicks ... To  10 mins before half time I reckon he has got about 20-25 points so far he will Never get come the real stuff. I liked that in his first hit out he was directing traffic and almost seemed somewhat a leader back there.
I think he and rampe will definitely share points which has ruled a line through rampe for me.

What does mills actually need to average to be a worthwhile pick? ,

Bully

Compared to the cheap rookies he'll need to average 80, don't think that's possible. Heeney, who I believe is a better player, averaged 70, I think that's about the ballpark. Also bear in mind the Swans rest their youngsters, that is almost a given.

Mykonos FC

Quote from: Bully on February 22, 2016, 09:06:21 PM
Compared to the cheap rookies he'll need to average 80, don't think that's possible. Heeney, who I believe is a better player, averaged 70, I think that's about the ballpark. Also bear in mind the Swans rest their youngsters, that is almost a given.

If you think Heeney is better, I'm not sure you've seen enough of Mills!

RaisyDaisy

I'm pretty vocal when it comes to my opinion of never starting expensive rookies

Said it in another thread - 20+ touches at a massive 90% DE and doesn't even ton up?

He won't get the freedom he got when the real stuff rolls around.

No doubt he's class, but there are others who will match him or slightly less for half the price giving a much higher ROI


Mykonos FC

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2016, 09:41:23 PM
I'm pretty vocal when it comes to my opinion of never starting expensive rookies

Said it in another thread - 20+ touches at a massive 90% DE and doesn't even ton up?

He won't get the freedom he got when the real stuff rolls around.

No doubt he's class, but there are others who will match him or slightly less for half the price for a much higher ROI



I remember people telling me that about Toby Greene in his first year and I'm glad that he made just about the most money of any rookie that year!

I wouldn't say 'never' ever in this game ;)

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Mykonos FC on February 22, 2016, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2016, 09:41:23 PM
I'm pretty vocal when it comes to my opinion of never starting expensive rookies

Said it in another thread - 20+ touches at a massive 90% DE and doesn't even ton up?

He won't get the freedom he got when the real stuff rolls around.

No doubt he's class, but there are others who will match him or slightly less for half the price for a much higher ROI



I remember people telling me that about Toby Greene in his first year and I'm glad that he made just about the most money of any rookie that year!

I wouldn't say 'never' ever in this game ;)

Not really relevant. He was in a brand new team with 21 other kids his age

Mills is entering a team full of SC jets

Bully

Quote from: Mykonos FC on February 22, 2016, 09:43:55 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on February 22, 2016, 09:41:23 PM
I'm pretty vocal when it comes to my opinion of never starting expensive rookies

Said it in another thread - 20+ touches at a massive 90% DE and doesn't even ton up?

He won't get the freedom he got when the real stuff rolls around.

No doubt he's class, but there are others who will match him or slightly less for half the price for a much higher ROI



I remember people telling me that about Toby Greene in his first year and I'm glad that he made just about the most money of any rookie that year!

I wouldn't say 'never' ever in this game ;)

If Mills had a mortgage on a midfield role I might take the plunge, as a back flanker he'll need to have an outstanding year, his job will be even more difficult when McVeigh returns to his backline general duties.

HotTiges

Certainly watching but i have 2 mid rook spots and they are taking by Gresham and Mathieson..

Ringo

Just remember the Swans have a history of not playing draftees straight up Mitchell and Heeney ring any bells for you.  So exercise caution

fanTCfool

Quote from: Ringo on February 22, 2016, 10:27:00 PM
Just remember the Swans have a history of not playing draftees straight up Mitchell and Heeney ring any bells for you.  So exercise caution

Could make a good downgrade target in that case

kilbluff1985

i'm in the same boat as RD i wont be starting Parish or Mills

Rusty00

Whilst I agree that there's no guarantee that Mills will be a good pick for that price, you guys are fudging the facts to support your arguments.

Quote from: Bully on February 22, 2016, 09:06:21 PM
Compared to the cheap rookies he'll need to average 80, don't think that's possible. Heeney, who I believe is a better player, averaged 70, I think that's about the ballpark. Also bear in mind the Swans rest their youngsters, that is almost a given.
Take out the 2 games Heeney was subbed out injured and he averaged 79.2. There were also 2 other games where he picked up injuries during the game but played them out.

Quote from: Ringo on February 22, 2016, 10:27:00 PM
Just remember the Swans have a history of not playing draftees straight up Mitchell and Heeney ring any bells for you.  So exercise caution
Heeney played from Round 1. He only went out of the side due to injuries. After a few games in the NEAFL to get his fitness back after his knee injury he returned to the senior side and played every game from then on, including both finals.

kilbluff1985

you just 'fudged' the facts to support your arguments you cant take out injury affected games as they are very likely for rookies

Bully

Quote from: Rusty00 on February 22, 2016, 11:02:16 PM
Whilst I agree that there's no guarantee that Mills will be a good pick for that price, you guys are fudging the facts to support your arguments.

Quote from: Bully on February 22, 2016, 09:06:21 PM
Compared to the cheap rookies he'll need to average 80, don't think that's possible. Heeney, who I believe is a better player, averaged 70, I think that's about the ballpark. Also bear in mind the Swans rest their youngsters, that is almost a given.
Take out the 2 games Heeney was subbed out injured and he averaged 79.2. There were also 2 other games where he picked up injuries during the game but played them out.

Quote from: Ringo on February 22, 2016, 10:27:00 PM
Just remember the Swans have a history of not playing draftees straight up Mitchell and Heeney ring any bells for you.  So exercise caution
Heeney played from Round 1. He only went out of the side due to injuries. After a few games in the NEAFL to get his fitness back after his knee injury he returned to the senior side and played every game from then on, including both finals.

As Kilbluff stated, injuries are a part of life for first year players, but that aside I wouldn't be betting the house on an 80 average, certainly not in the upgrading window. Heeney took until round 22 to crack the ton, in the other 8 games prior (excluding injury affected matches) he passed 90 twice. One has to be a bit realistic here, there will be no Wines or Dom Tyson scenario, that's just pie in the sky stuff.

H1bb3i2d

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on February 22, 2016, 11:04:39 PM
you just 'fudged' the facts to support your arguments you cant take out injury affected games as they are very likely for rookies

Why not? The point is Mills is a more complete package than Heeney at the same age, therefore there's no reason that he can't average 80+ and play from round 1