Ollie Wines

[frenzy]

$40k more, you can start with Jelwood. These maybe breakout types don't cut the mustard for me. Sure, if you think this is his year, but I wanna see a couple of back to back seasons of 110-115 so I know that they are capable  :o before i would even consider him. What if he goes 90-100, then what? another trade ? Pass for me.

[Bully]

Spot on Meow, and Bully I am surprised that you are letting NAB games easily convince you to change your mind

Understand you want a super-prem, but it cant b a coincidence after Wines performance :P

Three issues at hand here, the first being Wines form in the preseason, if he can't pump out 1 super premo score I'm out. This a speculative pick, there's very little information to go on, particularly given he failed to play a full season last year. The rule with NAB games is never write off a player who has runs on the board from previous years, Wines is not in that class. As a comparison I'm not taking Franklin out of my side. Furthermore, there's been a fair bit of discussion about Dangerfield's transition to a new club, fair enough when you consider growing pains with the likes of Dale Thomas, Griffen, Franklin & Malceski, just to name a few. Some were suggesting he'll struggle without the first class delivery in the ruck, Smith however has put my mind at ease.

[H1bb3i2d]

Had Wines in and out of my team for a while (depending on mid structure rather than replacing with someone else). Now I think Parker is the better option

[bowyanger]

Spot on Meow, and Bully I am surprised that you are letting NAB games easily convince you to change your mind

Understand you want a super-prem, but it cant b a coincidence after Wines performance :P

Three issues at hand here, the first being Wines form in the preseason, if he can't pump out 1 super premo score I'm out. This a speculative pick, there's very little information to go on, particularly given he failed to play a full season last year. The rule with NAB games is never write off a player who has runs on the board from previous years, Wines is not in that class. As a comparison I'm not taking Franklin out of my side. Furthermore, there's been a fair bit of discussion about Dangerfield's transition to a new club, fair enough when you consider growing pains with the likes of Dale Thomas, Griffen, Franklin & Malceski, just to name a few. Some were suggesting he'll struggle without the first class delivery in the ruck, Smith however has put my mind at ease.

Dude its pre season, it means nothing except for the rookies getting a go...the good players run out to get a bit of touch, blow out the cob webs...try some team shuffling, try some new game plans etc

You don't even get a reward for winning, at least before there was a carrot for winning

Would you jump through a muddy puddle in your best shoes on the way to the big dance?

[quinny88]

Spot on Meow, and Bully I am surprised that you are letting NAB games easily convince you to change your mind

Understand you want a super-prem, but it cant b a coincidence after Wines performance :P

Three issues at hand here, the first being Wines form in the preseason, if he can't pump out 1 super premo score I'm out. This a speculative pick, there's very little information to go on, particularly given he failed to play a full season last year. The rule with NAB games is never write off a player who has runs on the board from previous years, Wines is not in that class. As a comparison I'm not taking Franklin out of my side. Furthermore, there's been a fair bit of discussion about Dangerfield's transition to a new club, fair enough when you consider growing pains with the likes of Dale Thomas, Griffen, Franklin & Malceski, just to name a few. Some were suggesting he'll struggle without the first class delivery in the ruck, Smith however has put my mind at ease.

Dude its pre season, it means nothing except for the rookies getting a go...the good players run out to get a bit of touch, blow out the cob webs...try some team shuffling, try some new game plans etc

You don't even get a reward for winning, at least before there was a carrot for winning

Would you jump through a muddy puddle in your best shoes on the way to the big dance?

That's brilliant  ;D

[Bully]

Spot on Meow, and Bully I am surprised that you are letting NAB games easily convince you to change your mind

Understand you want a super-prem, but it cant b a coincidence after Wines performance :P

Three issues at hand here, the first being Wines form in the preseason, if he can't pump out 1 super premo score I'm out. This a speculative pick, there's very little information to go on, particularly given he failed to play a full season last year. The rule with NAB games is never write off a player who has runs on the board from previous years, Wines is not in that class. As a comparison I'm not taking Franklin out of my side. Furthermore, there's been a fair bit of discussion about Dangerfield's transition to a new club, fair enough when you consider growing pains with the likes of Dale Thomas, Griffen, Franklin & Malceski, just to name a few. Some were suggesting he'll struggle without the first class delivery in the ruck, Smith however has put my mind at ease.

Dude its pre season, it means nothing except for the rookies getting a go...the good players run out to get a bit of touch, blow out the cob webs...try some team shuffling, try some new game plans etc

You don't even get a reward for winning, at least before there was a carrot for winning

Would you jump through a muddy puddle in your best shoes on the way to the big dance?

There's a number of premos who have fallen off my radar due to preseason form and others who have gone up the rankings, particularly those guys who are expected to improve on their 2015 output. Not suggesting Wines will be a dud but I'm very confident Danger will outscore him, that's all that matters doesn't it?

[DaveElNacho]

Spot on Meow, and Bully I am surprised that you are letting NAB games easily convince you to change your mind

Understand you want a super-prem, but it cant b a coincidence after Wines performance :P

Three issues at hand here, the first being Wines form in the preseason, if he can't pump out 1 super premo score I'm out. This a speculative pick, there's very little information to go on, particularly given he failed to play a full season last year. The rule with NAB games is never write off a player who has runs on the board from previous years, Wines is not in that class. As a comparison I'm not taking Franklin out of my side. Furthermore, there's been a fair bit of discussion about Dangerfield's transition to a new club, fair enough when you consider growing pains with the likes of Dale Thomas, Griffen, Franklin & Malceski, just to name a few. Some were suggesting he'll struggle without the first class delivery in the ruck, Smith however has put my mind at ease.

Dude its pre season, it means nothing except for the rookies getting a go...the good players run out to get a bit of touch, blow out the cob webs...try some team shuffling, try some new game plans etc

You don't even get a reward for winning, at least before there was a carrot for winning

Would you jump through a muddy puddle in your best shoes on the way to the big dance?

There's a number of premos who have fallen off my radar due to preseason form and others who have gone up the rankings, particularly those guys who are expected to improve on their 2015 output. Not suggesting Wines will be a dud but I'm very confident Danger will outscore him, that's all that matters doesn't it?

Well yes and no... there is that 120k difference between them

[Bully]

Spot on Meow, and Bully I am surprised that you are letting NAB games easily convince you to change your mind

Understand you want a super-prem, but it cant b a coincidence after Wines performance :P

Three issues at hand here, the first being Wines form in the preseason, if he can't pump out 1 super premo score I'm out. This a speculative pick, there's very little information to go on, particularly given he failed to play a full season last year. The rule with NAB games is never write off a player who has runs on the board from previous years, Wines is not in that class. As a comparison I'm not taking Franklin out of my side. Furthermore, there's been a fair bit of discussion about Dangerfield's transition to a new club, fair enough when you consider growing pains with the likes of Dale Thomas, Griffen, Franklin & Malceski, just to name a few. Some were suggesting he'll struggle without the first class delivery in the ruck, Smith however has put my mind at ease.

Dude its pre season, it means nothing except for the rookies getting a go...the good players run out to get a bit of touch, blow out the cob webs...try some team shuffling, try some new game plans etc

You don't even get a reward for winning, at least before there was a carrot for winning

Would you jump through a muddy puddle in your best shoes on the way to the big dance?

There's a number of premos who have fallen off my radar due to preseason form and others who have gone up the rankings, particularly those guys who are expected to improve on their 2015 output. Not suggesting Wines will be a dud but I'm very confident Danger will outscore him, that's all that matters doesn't it?

Well yes and no... there is that 120k difference between them

Wines vs Selwood? Not a massive difference in price and Selwood has dropped below 110 once in 7 years, he also has a ceiling of 120. This is the difficulty in selecting a breakout contender, it's great when it comes off but it's very difficult when you have a player coming off injury. People can mock the preseason matches but sometimes they provide a good clue when trying to identify breakout contenders, Tom McDonald was an excellent case last year.

[DaveElNacho]

Wines vs Selwood? Not a massive difference in price and Selwood has dropped below 110 once in 7 years, he also has a ceiling of 120. This is the difficulty in selecting a breakout contender, it's great when it comes off but it's very difficult when you have a player coming off injury. People can mock the preseason matches but sometimes they provide a good clue when trying to identify breakout contenders, Tom McDonald was an excellent case last year.

I don't think that's quite the same. TMac was making the jump to being a premo whereas I'd argue that people are waiting for wines to go from premium to super premium.

[Bully]

Spot on Meow, and Bully I am surprised that you are letting NAB games easily convince you to change your mind

Understand you want a super-prem, but it cant b a coincidence after Wines performance :P

Three issues at hand here, the first being Wines form in the preseason, if he can't pump out 1 super premo score I'm out. This a speculative pick, there's very little information to go on, particularly given he failed to play a full season last year. The rule with NAB games is never write off a player who has runs on the board from previous years, Wines is not in that class. As a comparison I'm not taking Franklin out of my side. Furthermore, there's been a fair bit of discussion about Dangerfield's transition to a new club, fair enough when you consider growing pains with the likes of Dale Thomas, Griffen, Franklin & Malceski, just to name a few. Some were suggesting he'll struggle without the first class delivery in the ruck, Smith however has put my mind at ease.

Dude its pre season, it means nothing except for the rookies getting a go...the good players run out to get a bit of touch, blow out the cob webs...try some team shuffling, try some new game plans etc

You don't even get a reward for winning, at least before there was a carrot for winning

Would you jump through a muddy puddle in your best shoes on the way to the big dance?

There's a number of premos who have fallen off my radar due to preseason form and others who have gone up the rankings, particularly those guys who are expected to improve on their 2015 output. Not suggesting Wines will be a dud but I'm very confident Danger will outscore him, that's all that matters doesn't it?

Well yes and no... there is that 120k difference between them

Wines vs Selwood? Not a massive difference in price and Selwood has dropped below 110 once in 7 years, he also has a ceiling of 120. This is the difficulty in selecting a breakout contender, it's great when it comes off but it's very difficult when you have a player coming off injury. People can mock the preseason matches but sometimes they provide a good clue when trying to identify breakout contenders, Tom McDonald was an excellent case last year.

I don't think that's quite the same. TMac was making the jump to being a premo whereas I'd argue that people are waiting for wines to go from premium to super premium.

Personally don't see the difference, we're all aiming to get the top 8 midfielders and there are currently no signs that this will be the year for Wines. This isn't about judging a guy on one match, it's about a chronic lack of information, there needs to be some sort of buying signal before I jump in. At the moment I have Selwood ahead of him, followed by Parker, before I switch my allegiance I'll require some strong evidence.

[DaveElNacho]

Personally don't see the difference, we're all aiming to get the top 8 midfielders and there are currently no signs that this will be the year for Wines. This isn't about judging a guy on one match, it's about a chronic lack of information, there needs to be some sort of buying signal before I jump in. At the moment I have Selwood ahead of him, followed by Parker, before I switch my allegiance I'll require some strong evidence.

All excellent points but it shouldn't take a NAB game to make you change your tune. Not when considering Wines and Dangerfield.

[GoLions]

Prefer Prestia, Shiel, and Parker over Wines myself

[My Chumps]

Backed Hanners last year as he jumped from 101-114, backed Parker the year before as he went from 87-108. This year I'm backing Wines to go 110.

One Nab cup game doesn't faze me at all.

I won't mention all the others I've backed and probably lost out on tho

[enzedder]

This year I'm backing Wines to go 110.

One Nab cup game doesn't faze me at all.

Agree with this.
2015 scores...
21 (subbed inj) 65 (inj) 76(subbed inj) 87 88 96 100 105 105 123 124 127 145... good scores for a third year player/ cheap as chips due to three injured/ subbed games keeping his average down...and with luck will easily go above 110 in 2016. Hoping for te super premium breakout year 8)

[Holz]

Rory Sloane

44k more expensive.

2014: 114.7 avergae
2015: 112.6 average unsubeed (some games are injury affected)

started the year 139.7 from 3 games
ended the year 122.4 from 5 games.

why cross your fingers for 110+ when you have 110-115 just sitting there for 44k more.