Rucks

[Gigantor]

Has everyone gone off Leuey?

Did pretty well in a VFL practice match the other day and is just so cheap. Having him and Goldy in rucks lets me run a bit deeper in the mids to help with the lack of rookies

Major durability concern.

On a related note, Currie at R2 makes my team look goooooooooood :(

Yep...I made a cracking team with currie at r2...but wouldn't start with that team unless he was gold coasts sole ruck

+1

Anyone got a Tom Nicholls voodoo doll  :P

[Marstar]

If 2 Rookie Rucks are named round 1 that you're confident will get play the 1st 6 rounds ... would you consider rotating them as R2/R3 until you figure out the best R2 to upgrade too?

Problem is you likely wouldnt be able to upgrade to them after the first six rounds. Assuming its Goldy and two rookies. You'd be looking at 600k+ for the best of Nic Nat, Mummy, Gawn, Jacobs and you likely wont be able to afford that at round till much later.

Would be interesting to do the math. What price to rookies averaging 60-65 get to after 6 weeks?

[Keeper27]

If 2 Rookie Rucks are named round 1 that you're confident will get play the 1st 6 rounds ... would you consider rotating them as R2/R3 until you figure out the best R2 to upgrade too?

Problem is you likely wouldnt be able to upgrade to them after the first six rounds. Assuming its Goldy and two rookies. You'd be looking at 600k+ for the best of Nic Nat, Mummy, Gawn, Jacobs and you likely wont be able to afford that at round till much later.

Would be interesting to do the math. What price to rookies averaging 60-65 get to after 6 weeks?

Both grimley and cox would be priced @ just a little over 200k after 6 rounds on a 60 avg

[Marstar]

If 2 Rookie Rucks are named round 1 that you're confident will get play the 1st 6 rounds ... would you consider rotating them as R2/R3 until you figure out the best R2 to upgrade too?

Problem is you likely wouldnt be able to upgrade to them after the first six rounds. Assuming its Goldy and two rookies. You'd be looking at 600k+ for the best of Nic Nat, Mummy, Gawn, Jacobs and you likely wont be able to afford that at round till much later.

Would be interesting to do the math. What price to rookies averaging 60-65 get to after 6 weeks?

Both grimley and cox would be priced @ just a little over 200k after 6 rounds on a 60 avg

Yeah that's a bit too low ... at 250k would be doable .

[jfitty]

Have we all decided to give up on Matthew Lobbe?

I've been considering him, trading Martin > Lobbe frees up enough cash to ditch a few mid pricers and grab a couple of extra premiums.

We know he struggled against Gawn, but did a little better against the Tigers. His situation is still the same as the lone ruckman and Port don't have a bad draw to start the year, is anyone at all still considering him?

[batt]

Have we all decided to give up on Matthew Lobbe?

I've been considering him, trading Martin > Lobbe frees up enough cash to ditch a few mid pricers and grab a couple of extra premiums.

We know he struggled against Gawn, but did a little better against the Tigers. His situation is still the same as the lone ruckman and Port don't have a bad draw to start the year, is anyone at all still considering him?

The only reason you would go anywhere near him is if you actually rate him as a ruckman.  I'm not sure there are many Port supporters let alone AFL fans that are in that boat.

[Jay]

Have we all decided to give up on Matthew Lobbe?

I've been considering him, trading Martin > Lobbe frees up enough cash to ditch a few mid pricers and grab a couple of extra premiums.

We know he struggled against Gawn, but did a little better against the Tigers. His situation is still the same as the lone ruckman and Port don't have a bad draw to start the year, is anyone at all still considering him?

I can't work out why people have given up on Lobbe. He is still firmly in my thinking for R2.

[jvalles69]

Have we all decided to give up on Matthew Lobbe?

I've been considering him, trading Martin > Lobbe frees up enough cash to ditch a few mid pricers and grab a couple of extra premiums.

We know he struggled against Gawn, but did a little better against the Tigers. His situation is still the same as the lone ruckman and Port don't have a bad draw to start the year, is anyone at all still considering him?

I can't work out why people have given up on Lobbe. He is still firmly in my thinking for R2.

Prob because he looked like he had never touched a football before in the NAB.

[Jay]

Have we all decided to give up on Matthew Lobbe?

I've been considering him, trading Martin > Lobbe frees up enough cash to ditch a few mid pricers and grab a couple of extra premiums.

We know he struggled against Gawn, but did a little better against the Tigers. His situation is still the same as the lone ruckman and Port don't have a bad draw to start the year, is anyone at all still considering him?

I can't work out why people have given up on Lobbe. He is still firmly in my thinking for R2.

Prob because he looked like he had never touched a football before in the NAB.

Exactly.

Was good when Ryder was out of the side last year and averaged 100 the year before. Why can't he do the same? Even 2013 average of 86 is good enough at this price.

[GoLions]

Have we all decided to give up on Matthew Lobbe?

I've been considering him, trading Martin > Lobbe frees up enough cash to ditch a few mid pricers and grab a couple of extra premiums.

We know he struggled against Gawn, but did a little better against the Tigers. His situation is still the same as the lone ruckman and Port don't have a bad draw to start the year, is anyone at all still considering him?

I can't work out why people have given up on Lobbe. He is still firmly in my thinking for R2.

Prob because he looked like he had never touched a football before in the NAB.

Exactly.

Was good when Ryder was out of the side last year and averaged 100 the year before. Why can't he do the same? Even 2013 average of 86 is good enough at this price.

He wasn't that good when Ryder was out. Averaged like 45 hitouts a game, against crap rucks IIRC, and like 3 of his scores were in the 80s or something? Seems as though he doesn't do well with HTAs, and the 100 averaging year was before the HTA rule was introduced in SC. He is going to get absolutely destroyed (in fantasy terms, probably IRL too) against the top rucks of the league.

[PowerBug]

He wasn't that good when Ryder was out. Averaged like 45 hitouts a game, against crap rucks IIRC, and like 3 of his scores were in the 80s or something? Seems as though he doesn't do well with HTAs, and the 100 averaging year was before the HTA rule was introduced in SC. He is going to get absolutely destroyed (in fantasy terms, probably IRL too) against the top rucks of the league.

83, 85, 80 and 115 in the 4 games Ryder missed last year against Jake Spencer, Will Minson, Stanley/Blicavs, Kreuzer/Wood. That is an average of 90.75 across 4 Ryder-less games. He is priced at 72.18. He also scored 99 and 104 against Stef Martin and Ivan Maric the two weeks before that, when it appears Ryder was used as the 2nd ruck.

He had 8, 7, 5, 15 possessions in those 4 games, over 40 hitouts in each of them. The trend from Lobbe's data (When you look at 2014 as well) suggests that possession count is what helps him get his points, and that is what was lacking from him last year. Being the lone ruck I am expecting more handballs from him again

Due to the change in scoring for hitouts Lobbe's average dropped 11.3 points (comparing the 2014 system to 2015 system and using 2015s stats) which was more than anyone bar Sandilands (11.4). (As a sidenote Goldy averaged 138.9 last year using the old system)

Yes his NAB was awful and his HTAs means we may not get a premium (105+) year from him, but I see no reason for it to be below 80avg which in turn will make money (fully planning for ~90). I say he will produce similar stats to 2014, but seeing as the scoring system has changed, that's ~90 average. Will take that from his price.

Never left my side

[jfitty]

Okay guys, I brought up Lobbe earlier, but I think I've settled on a ruck combo of Goldtein and Leuenberger!

I'm really keen to get the Berger in. I know he didn't play NAB, and he obviously has his injury concerns. But the guy is 300k, over 100k cheaper than a lot of other mid prices gambles people are taking.

The Bombers named him in the ruck (AFL website says otherwise, but Essendon site has him there) with just McKernan for a chop out, so they must trust the guy. Plus he can go forward and boot a goal or 2.

Having him at R2 means I can comfortably afford to upgrade some iffy rookies to more reliable ones. Plus Berger and Wells are my only mid pricers which I like the look of..

Anyone else got the guts to pick him?

[JBs-Hawks]

Gibson + Leuy/Smith/Sinclair

or

Lonergan + Gawn

[TomK]

Gibson + Leuy/Smith/Sinclair

or

Lonergan + Gawn

Lonergan and Gawn

[Wanderer]

Okay guys, I brought up Lobbe earlier, but I think I've settled on a ruck combo of Goldtein and Leuenberger!

I'm really keen to get the Berger in. I know he didn't play NAB, and he obviously has his injury concerns. But the guy is 300k, over 100k cheaper than a lot of other mid prices gambles people are taking.

The Bombers named him in the ruck (AFL website says otherwise, but Essendon site has him there) with just McKernan for a chop out, so they must trust the guy. Plus he can go forward and boot a goal or 2.

Having him at R2 means I can comfortably afford to upgrade some iffy rookies to more reliable ones. Plus Berger and Wells are my only mid pricers which I like the look of..

Anyone else got the guts to pick him?

I wouldn't pick him unless:
1) I had a backup plan in case he gets injured or dropped
2) The money you spent upgrading some iffy rookies strengthens your team and returns you the points you will leak playing Leuey vs Gawn, NicNat, Martin, etc.

If you answer yes to both of those conditions, then I don't see why not.