Essendon Dilemma

[Bill Manspeaker]

Here's my one post for the year, savour it, enjoy it, live it. Just remember these parting words; If a kangaroo can jump around all day with a baby in its pouch, what's stopping you from doing the same?

a pouch  ;D

[Nige]

Here's my one post for the year, savour it, enjoy it, live it. Just remember these parting words; If a kangaroo can jump around all day with a baby in its pouch, what's stopping you from doing the same?

a pouch  ;D

C'mon Kyle, you and I both know it's not that hard to attach one of those harness/carrier thingos parents put their kids in and jump around in one of those.

[Bill Manspeaker]

Here's my one post for the year, savour it, enjoy it, live it. Just remember these parting words; If a kangaroo can jump around all day with a baby in its pouch, what's stopping you from doing the same?

a pouch  ;D

C'mon Kyle, you and I both know it's not that hard to attach one of those harness/carrier thingos parents put their kids in and jump around in one of those.

yeah and I guess if it worst comes to worst we could always staple the kid to our stomach and get around on pogo sticks

[Nige]

Here's my one post for the year, savour it, enjoy it, live it. Just remember these parting words; If a kangaroo can jump around all day with a baby in its pouch, what's stopping you from doing the same?

a pouch  ;D

C'mon Kyle, you and I both know it's not that hard to attach one of those harness/carrier thingos parents put their kids in and jump around in one of those.

yeah and I guess if it worst comes to worst we could always staple the kid to our stomach and get around on pogo sticks

Necessity is the mother of invention.  8)

[ossie85]

The replacement players aren't going to be much guys, the real 'replacements' in a fantasy sense are players 23 to 34 on the Bombers list, all of which are already on Worlds lists somewhere.

So the disadvantage has been spread randomly, and the advantage has been spread randomly by the 12ish players who are getting a game when they wouldn't usually.

So I'd propose that you do a draft like any other - based on ladder positions.

The teams who have Essendon players on WXV Senior list have the oppurtunity to either:
- Promote a rookie
- Apply for top-up player

So, for example, if after that the competition had 7 vacant senior spots (5 teams with 1, and 1 team with 2) and 10 vacant rookie spots (6 teams with 1, 2 team with 2), the draft would be:

Round 1

Lowest ranked team from 2015 with a vacant senior spot: #1 pick
2nd lowest ranked team from 2015 with a vacant senior spot: #2 pick
etc
Highest ranked team from 2015 with a vacant senior spot: #6 pick

Round 2

Lowest ranked (and in this case only) team from 2015 with a 2nd vacant senior spot: #7 Pick


Rookie Draft

Round 1

Lowest ranked team from 2015 with a vacant rookie spot: #1 pick
2nd lowest ranked team from 2015 with a vacant rookie spot: #2 pick
3rd lowest ranked team from 2015 with a vacant rookie spot: #3 pick

And unfortunately the last spots are vacant because there aren't enough replacement players to replace the 17 suspended players.

Takes away the argument over which player is valued more other other.

Particularly as the replacements aren't going to be worth much

[Purple 77]

^^ that's interesting.

Also, regarding ex-WXV players being a top-up player:

I think the fairest way to do things, is that any top-up players selected will be selected regardless of whom they played with earlier, but should they get drafted by an AFL club afterwards, then the teams that had them before the 2016 season should have first rights, and not the team that had them during the 2016 year. Say if Moscow selected Aidan Riley (who might be a top up player) to replace Heppell... well, they won't have rights to Riley should he get drafted by an AFL club in November (that would be Rio), but they'll be getting Heppell back so it's not all bad.

[ossie85]

^ that's fair

and I'm editing my post a bit cos I forgot that only a maximum 10 replacement players exist

[Holz]

maybe since PNL are benefiting huge from Lobbe they can give one of their players away to make it 11 in the draft.

[DazBurg]

maybe since PNL are benefiting huge from Lobbe they can give one of their players away to make it 11 in the draft.

maybe the fact your direct rival took a hit you throw one of yours in to make it fairer :p...lol

seriously purps stole hams now he will tear it up so we gave already

not to mention i reckon out of those we delisted some could be a top up (ZOB) for instance and we wanted him we even knocked back a trade offer on the chance he got drafted

those with a chance to play that we delisted that have been mentioned are

Matthew Watson
Ayce Cordy
Elliott Kavanagh
ZOB
Robbie Warnock (someone else posted in essendon thread that fox nes brought his name up...we traded myers for him so only fair we get him back :P )

[Holz]

maybe since PNL are benefiting huge from Lobbe they can give one of their players away to make it 11 in the draft.

maybe the fact your direct rival took a hit you throw one of yours in to make it fairer :p...lol

I can give Matthew Scharenberg for the year as long as he is back on my list in November.

[Ricochet]

maybe since PNL are benefiting huge from Lobbe they can give one of their players away to make it 11 in the draft.

Lobbe benefiting? Pfft

Tom "better than Mitch" Wallis will be the one to watch ;)

[Purple 77]

Have given the top-up draft order a lot of thought, and this is what I've come up with:

I looked at each of the player, and the team they play for. I assessed whether they were in the best XV, a direct back up (immediate depth player) or neither of those things.

If they were in the best XV, I gave them 0 points. If they were a direct back up, I gave them 50 points. If they were neither, I gave them 100 points.

Then, I recorded their position ranking entirely based on their 2015 average (I know it's not perfect, but it gives a good estimate); e.g, Dyson Heppell is the 20th best midfielder, so he gets 20 points.

I took both numbers I recorded for each player, and took that away from 300 (I wish I just added the numbers up, but I got too far into what I was doing to go back :P)

So what we have then, is the following;

Player   Team   Cripple Factor
Michael Hurley   Pacific Islanders   292
Cale Hooker   Moscow Spetsnaz   288
Paddy Ryder   Tokyo Samurai   288
Dyson Heppell   Moscow Spetsnaz   280
Michael Hibberd   Berlin Brewers   270
Brent Stanton   Mexico City Suns   264
Ben Howlett   Pacific Islanders   264
Jobe Watson   Christchurch Saints   235
Jake Carlisle   Toronto Wolves   235
Stewart Crameri   Cape Town Cobras   233
Travis Colyer   Cairo Sands   220
Tom Bellchambers   New York Revolution   215
Heath Hocking   Cairo Sands   195
Angus Monfries   Moscow Spetsnaz   171
Jake Melksham   Toronto Wolves   104
Tayte Pears   Beijing Thunder   82
David Myers   Seoul Magpies   18

But then, I thought that it would be fairer if the teams that lost more than 1 player (such as Moscow, Pacific and Cairo), have a higher priority. So I added each team total up;

Team   Cripple Factor
Moscow Spetsnaz   739
Pacific Islanders   556
Cairo Sands   415
Toronto Wolves   339
Tokyo Samurai   288
Berlin Brewers   270
Mexico City Suns   264
Christchurch Saints   235
Cape Town Cobras   227
New York Revolution   215
Beijing Thunder   82
Seoul Magpies   18
   
^^ I propose that the draft order be that. However, when Moscow take their pick, 300 points is taken away from the team total. So I see the draft order being something like this (assuming 12 players taken)

Moscow (for Cale Hooker)
Pacific (for Michael Hurley)
Moscow (for Dyson Heppell)
Cairo (for Travis Colyer & Heath Hocking)
Toronto (for Jake Carlisle & Jake Melksham)
Tokyo (for Paddy Ryder)
Berlin (for Michael Hibberd)
Mexico City (for Brent Stanton)
Pacific (for Ben Howlett)
Christchurch (for Jobe Watson)
Cape Town (for Stewart Crameri)
New York (for Tom Bellchambers)

Rookie Promotions:

Moscow (for Angus Monfries)
Cairo (for open spot on list)
Beijing (for Tayte Pears)
Toronto (for open spot on list)
Seoul (for David Myers)



Thoughts?

[Holz]

looks very involved and cant fault it excpet for Saints

Saints seem to get pretty hard with Travis Colyer & Heath Hocking, Ben Howlett, Stewart Crameri) far inferrior players.

given they are pushing for a flag and there guy is older the loss of watson is actually really big. Where other teams who arent pushing for flag and losing less important players will be fine.

[Purple 77]

looks very involved and cant fault it excpet for Saints

Saints seem to get pretty hard with Travis Colyer & Heath Hocking, Ben Howlett, Stewart Crameri) far inferrior players.

given they are pushing for a flag and there guy is older the loss of watson is actually really big. Where other teams who arent pushing for flag and losing less important players will be fine.

Yeah I also think the Saints is the one thing I don't like about this  :-\

Colyer & Hocking are best XV players for Cairo which is why they get a selection so high.

.... I actually just realised my rankings for forwards are a little out, because I didn't include M/F's, so I I would assume Cape Town's selection might slip a little, and Christchurch up a little.

EDIT: Just made those changes

[RaisyDaisy]

Can you break down for me how you got 215 for Belcho?

Feel like we are getting stiffed here, considering he was picked to be our Number 1 ruck

Yes we have Tippett with DPP, but playing him as ruck then means we are a premo short in the fwd line as well as having to hope that Tippett plays all year