Joel Selwood

[shaker]

So about Joel Selwood....

He was back into running at Cats training today. Good sign for those planning on starting with him.

I just watched the news and did not see him running only doing handball drills and they said he was being nursed at this stage with his injury ?

[Mat0369]

I'm not touching him regardless, the burn is still strong and I would rather fork out the extra cash for Pendles.

[ben_020285]

So about Joel Selwood....

He was back into running at Cats training today. Good sign for those planning on starting with him.

I just watched the news and did not see him running only doing handball drills and they said he was being nursed at this stage with his injury ?

I've seen a picture of him running laps today with his brother, Scott.

[ben_020285]

I'm not touching him regardless, the burn is still strong and I would rather fork out the extra cash for Pendles.

*little taco girl picture*

[Mat0369]

*little taco girl picture*

Because I am also forking out the cash for Gaz, Rockliff and one of Parker/Sidebottom/Beams which I see as better options. He's on the decline and has question marks on his body. He's style of play does him no favours either

[_wato]

Mhm I ain't touching Joel either

Points are valid Mat, I agree

However I do see Cats being a top 6 side, they have all the makings now

And with Jelwood back up and running, so is Nat Fyfe and they're talking about him still playing Round 1 nab against Richmond - I know it's not relevant to Jelwood but still thought I'd put it there

[AaronKirk]

Sydney? Buddy, Tippett, JPK, Mcglynn, Laidler, Shaw (their forward half is built on the free agency)

Hawks? Gunston, Gibbo, Burgoyne, Hale, Mcevoy

I see Geelong being quite successful next year, simply because they got Danger

The Swans didn't make all those changes in the one season and were actually struggling early in the  season they got Buddy in losing to GWS round 1 and didn't get rolling for a few weeks due to the lack of chemistry. Most of those Swans guys that they bring in were also fringe players on other teams lists and not established best 22 players at that point in time. The Swans put the development into JPK and McGlynn after they were traded by the Hawks, while I firmly believe Laidler was in our best 22 he was a delisted FA that no one else wanted.

Same deal with the Hawks, they didn't bring all those guys in during one year and weren't a dominant force until most of those guys had X amount of years playing together. In the 3 peat they made maybe one move a year. Year 1 was Lake, two was Big Boy and 3 was Chip.

Chemistry and stability is just as important to a team structure as talent. The Cats have tried to bring in 4 or 5 guys? That's a lot different to what the other teams did and they weren't a finals side last year either.

Do you see the youngsters that the cats have brought into their side in the last 3 or so seasons? They are only going to get better in the next few years. Whatever they do this year they will only improve on and IMO they are a good chance to be a top 4 side again (it is very even though).

In saying that Selwood is not in my side at this stage. I'd prefer to see how he goes in pre season with his injury issues and how he goes with Danger before bringing him into my side.

[Mat0369]

Do you see the youngsters that the cats have brought into their side in the last 3 or so seasons? They are only going to get better in the next few years. Whatever they do this year they will only improve on and IMO they are a good chance to be a top 4 side again (it is very even though).

In saying that Selwood is not in my side at this stage. I'd prefer to see how he goes in pre season with his injury issues and how he goes with Danger before bringing him into my side.

I have and I don't think they're that good. A huge reason the Cats struggled last year is their midfield depth. The lack of midfield depth is a reason they keyed into Danger and Scott Selwood. These youngsters they've brought into their team the last 3 years they have maybe 2 or 3 that look like they are dependable players that could become future stars.

Duncan stepped up for a few games before he got injured and he is probably suited to playing the 3rd fiddle role so he is one. Caddy and Motlop both need to build consistency but I don't think either will ever be true A-Grade players but more complementary players. Blicavs has probably developed the best out of anyone but he can't be a top 4 teams best player. Guthrie played pretty well at the back end but you can't judge much off 5 games, before that he has just been a solid tagger. Gregson and Lang showed a bit but it's too early to make a judgement and they would have to develop in leaps and bounds for Geelong to push for finals. Cockatoo has X factor but he looked lost with the speed of the game in his first season against bigger, stronger, quicker opponents.

When you compare these guys to the young guys at the Dogs, Port, GWS, GCS, Collingwood and a few other teams I don't think they're anywhere near as good and these are the teams they are competing with.

Menzel? Vardy? Talk to me when they play more then 5 games without getting injured. Bews is terrible and gets destroyed week in week out. Thurlow is meh. Smedts will be lucky to be on a list next year. Murdoch has speed and not much else. Jake Kolo might be serviceable, same with Kersten.

These young guys are also going to have to help replace some of the older talent that the Cats have lost over the last few years and will continue to lose after this season. They have gone after established players this year to help with that but I can see it blowing up. Hendo, Smith, Danger and Selwood need to adapt with their respective units. That's 3 guys in the middle that need to develop chemistry with the existing midfield unit and one in the back 6.

[fasttrack13]

Looking through selwoods stats nothing much had changed from previous years apart from in my opinion two key stats...
Disposal Efficiency down 7%
Tog down 6%

Lowered disposal efficiency was due to the huge amount of attention we saw him receive but a teams whole midfield tagging or blunting his work around the ground. Dangerfield being at the cats will relieve some of the pressure. Although I still see Selwood recieving a tag their whole game plan won't revolve around him being shut out with the extr power the cats have.
IMO his tog being reduced was due to the fact he had to do so much work in the midfield that resting up forward wasn't enough (with the niggles he had)  which is probably why we saw a reduction in goals last year also. Danger and co.'s arrivals will allow him to spend more resting time up forward.

Not sure id start him if he's had an interrupted pre season but if he's fit and firing come round one he's hard to pass up as he is that undervalued. He's had slight niggles at the start of most seasons the last 4 or 5 years as well from memory

[BomberSam]

Just some food for thought...

Selwood starts this season priced at 565,500. I looked back through his 2010-2015 seasons to see that his bottom price in all of these years was below this 2016 starting price, by an average of 60,400.

2015    479,200    round 16    -86,300
2014    549,500    round 10    -16,000
2013    491,300    round 11    -74,200
2012    539,000    round 22    -26,500
2011    453,000    round 19    -112,500
2010    518,800    round 7      -46,700

[Ringo]

Confirms what has been said earlier That he drops during season and then comes home strong. In my opinion great upgrade target.

[shaker]

Just some food for thought...

Selwood starts this season priced at 565,500. I looked back through his 2010-2015 seasons to see that his bottom price in all of these years was below this 2016 starting price, by an average of 60,400.

2015    479,200    round 16    -86,300
2014    549,500    round 10    -16,000
2013    491,300    round 11    -74,200
2012    539,000    round 22    -26,500
2011    453,000    round 19    -112,500
2010    518,800    round 7      -46,700

You can put all sorts of stats up about him but the guy is gun that leads by example the only thing this year is he has had a foot problem which is hampering his preseason but he will be in my team before seasons end unless injured

[BomberSam]

Confirms what has been said earlier That he drops during season and then comes home strong. In my opinion great upgrade target.

I think many will target him around the byes for that reason. I must say though, bottoming out in rounds 16, 22 and 19 in 2015, 2012 and 2011 respectively doesn't exactly reflect his perceived strong ends of seasons.

[Ricochet]

Confirms what has been said earlier That he drops during season and then comes home strong. In my opinion great upgrade target.

I think many will target him around the byes for that reason. I must say though, bottoming out in rounds 16, 22 and 19 in 2015, 2012 and 2011 respectively doesn't exactly reflect his perceived strong ends of seasons.

If people haven't fully upgraded by the byes i reckon they'll be well behind

[GoLions]

Confirms what has been said earlier That he drops during season and then comes home strong. In my opinion great upgrade target.

I think many will target him around the byes for that reason. I must say though, bottoming out in rounds 16, 22 and 19 in 2015, 2012 and 2011 respectively doesn't exactly reflect his perceived strong ends of seasons.

If people haven't fully upgraded by the byes i reckon they'll be well behind

Especially with the byes being much later this year!

Also you totally should've said "If people haven't fully upgraded by the byes i reckon it'll be bye-bye to their 2016 SC season"