Mighty Magpies 2016

[plugger36]

Hey everyone,

Looking to improve on my 680 ranking last year to hopefully closer to top 100. Any advice on first draft for SC 2016 would be great!

Backs: Shaw, Hurley, Smith, Harwood, Aish, M.Brown (M. Brown, R. Bonner)

Centres: Ablett, Pendles, Priddis, Rockliff, Libba, B. Kennedy, Kerridge, Jansen (Keays, R. Davis, A. Marcon)

Rucks: Goldy, Martin (Wyatt)

Forwards: Martin, Dahlhaus, Bennell, Leuey, Wells, Petracca (Pickett, Balic)

Cash: $1,000

[Money Shot]

Great looking side. I would try and find a way to get Crouch in at his price I think he is a lock.

[Sabretooth Tigers]

Great looking side. I would try and find a way to get Crouch in at his price I think he is a lock.

Like the Hurley pick, he's been  in a rotating door in my team and will eventually be in to stay. Perhaps Harwood to a rookie and B Kennedy to Crouch would improve your team with no loss. Cheers and best of luck. Nice team.    ;)

[GraysFan]

Agree with Crouch, i think most people will have him.
Will also help strengthen your Mids. Most teams going around atm are 6 or 7 players deep. Dont want to fall behind early from only starting 5 imo.

Love the rucks with leuy in the forward line for cover to
Priddis will be a great POD (havent seen him in a team yet) however a lot of people are scared of him losing points to Redden. Just something to consider!

[creeker]

A very unique set up you have here Plugger. Some nice PODS in the team.

I agree that Crouch would be a bonus for your squad.
With your ruck selections, my thoughts are, do you really need Leuenberger as cover. You possibly have the two best rucks going around.
I'd be tempted to bring Ben Kennedy or Kerridge into the fwd line then turn Leuenberger into Crouch. I think Crouch will comfortably out score Leuenberger.

Great team mate. Good luck.

[DCAK]

Hi mate, unlike many in here I'm not cool with the Leuenberger selection. Here's why; his recent body of work is far from stellar, he will be rucking in tandem with Bellchambers, I've not read one news article to present an informed opinion that he is fit and ready to tear it up. Let's look at his stats;
2007 - 9 games - @ 38 points
2008 - 10 games - @ 38 points
2009 - 3 games - @ 57 points
2010 - 22 games - @ 68 points
2011 - 22 games - @ 102 points
2012 - 3 games - @ 70 points
2013 - 20 games - @ 97 points
2014 - 5 games - @ 66 points
2015 - 14 games - @ 57 points

So, we have a fair body of work to gain stats from, and those stats clearly show that Leuey has been neither durable nor consistent.

Further to my last, why do you even need DPP link to the fwd line when (like me) you've got 2 premo rucks. It's surplus to requirement, remembering that in the bye rounds only your best 18 scores count. Ergo, it doesn't matter if you cop a ruck donut then, as long as you have good players in other positions. I advocate picking a decent fwd/mid in place of Leuey - for example Zorko. More reliable, better scorer and DPP link to
your Mids

Someone change my mind with evidence to the contrary or an informed opinion please.

[Hoggyz_a_legend]

Hi mate, unlike many in here I'm not cool with the Leuenberger selection. Here's why; his recent body of work is far from stellar, he will be rucking in tandem with Bellchambers, I've not read one news article to present an informed opinion that he is fit and ready to tear it up. Let's look at his stats;
2007 - 9 games - @ 38 points
2008 - 10 games - @ 38 points
2009 - 3 games - @ 57 points
2010 - 22 games - @ 68 points
2011 - 22 games - @ 102 points
2012 - 3 games - @ 70 points
2013 - 20 games - @ 97 points
2014 - 5 games - @ 66 points
2015 - 14 games - @ 57 points

So, we have a fair body of work to gain stats from, and those stats clearly show that Leuey has been neither durable nor consistent.

Further to my last, why do you even need DPP link to the fwd line when (like me) you've got 2 premo rucks. It's surplus to requirement, remembering that in the bye rounds only your best 18 scores count. Ergo, it doesn't matter if you cop a ruck donut then, as long as you have good players in other positions. I advocate picking a decent fwd/mid in place of Leuey - for example Zorko. More reliable, better scorer and DPP link to
your Mids

Someone change my mind with evidence to the contrary or an informed opinion please.

This! Exactly this! The only Ruck/Fed I'm considering is Tippett after his stellar end to last season and Sydney's early easy draw.

[DCAK]

I wouldn't touch Tippet either! IMO there are no longer any DPP ruck/fwd that I would classify as a Premo, or that present as genuine breakout candidates. Ryder would be as close as it gets. Save yourself some trades and a lot of disappointment and get a decent fwd/mid

[creeker]

Hi mate, unlike many in here I'm not cool with the Leuenberger selection. Here's why; his recent body of work is far from stellar, he will be rucking in tandem with Bellchambers, I've not read one news article to present an informed opinion that he is fit and ready to tear it up. Let's look at his stats;
2007 - 9 games - @ 38 points
2008 - 10 games - @ 38 points
2009 - 3 games - @ 57 points
2010 - 22 games - @ 68 points
2011 - 22 games - @ 102 points
2012 - 3 games - @ 70 points
2013 - 20 games - @ 97 points
2014 - 5 games - @ 66 points
2015 - 14 games - @ 57 points

So, we have a fair body of work to gain stats from, and those stats clearly show that Leuey has been neither durable nor consistent.

Further to my last, why do you even need DPP link to the fwd line when (like me) you've got 2 premo rucks. It's surplus to requirement, remembering that in the bye rounds only your best 18 scores count. Ergo, it doesn't matter if you cop a ruck donut then, as long as you have good players in other positions. I advocate picking a decent fwd/mid in place of Leuey - for example Zorko. More reliable, better scorer and DPP link to
your Mids

Someone change my mind with evidence to the contrary or an informed opinion please.

This! Exactly this! The only Ruck/Fed I'm considering is Tippett after his stellar end to last season and Sydney's early easy draw.

Also half tempted with Tippet, will monitor his preseason games closely. Depends on Sinclair's input.
While your online mate. Take a look at SC Leagues. (Platinum - Class of 2015). Is this something you would be interested in ?

[Ringo]

This is why this is a good forum as we can have differing opinions and debates allowing both sides to enable you to make own decision.

My reasoning for the DPP link is that if Goldy or Martin miss one or 2 weeks then you have the luxury of using it.  Both Goldy and Martin missed a game or 2 last year. Berger does his best work when sole ruck and not sure how Bombers will use him will be watching closely. When sole ruck at Brisbane while Martin was injured this year he tonned up both times. He is lost as a forward in my opinion.
Agreed he does not have the durability over the last couple of seasons and this is a negative.  However at his price has the ability to make some cash quickly for an upgrade, He is cheaper than other options Ryder,Tippett, Sinclair, Witts, Stanley and Hickey.
So basically just added security and saving a trade/donut if both prem rucks miss so agree with the decision.  Only way I would change my mind was if a rookie or low priced ruck looked like getting games early.

Regarding your team would also look at moving Kennedy to forwards and getting Crouch in somehow. Priddis is very consistent but will not give you the high score other mids will so maybe drop him for a lower priced player (he had only two scores over 130 last year).

Remember if in doubt go with gut as it is seldom wrong.

[DCAK]

So Ringo, to summarise your strategy you believe that Goldy/Sauce/Martin present a risk of missing a game or two so you propose to mitigate that risk by attempting to cover their absence with a player that has several inherent risks of his own, consistency, durability, job security and shared ruck responsibilities. IMO this tactic does not mitigate any risk, it just compounds the risk. And he can't make quick cash if,as his history suggests, he can't get on the park.

[Ringo]

Realise that Berger has risks but I see him playing majority of games this year and just needs to average 80+ for games which he is capable of and that is fair return for a forward as well and will rise in cash more quickly than other R/F. In my opinion Berger is one of the better H/o ruckmen in the comp.

[DCAK]

If..... Leuey did get on the park and if he managed to play 3+ games to achieve a price increase and if he averaged 80 points as you seem to think he will, he won't make much cash! A player who averages 80 points should be worth approx 334k points (correct me if I'm wrong) he is priced for 2016 at $310k so, he'd stand to make $20k. What I want to know Ringo, is what information you have that leads you to think Leuey will a) play every game and b) average 80+ points? Please tell me, I'll put him straight in my team too if you have access to reliable information such as training reports, tactical employment plans for Essendon, projected minutes on ground per game?

[kilbluff1985]

If..... Leuey did get on the park and if he managed to play 3+ games to achieve a price increase and if he averaged 80 points as you seem to think he will, he won't make much cash! A player who averages 80 points should be worth approx 334k points (correct me if I'm wrong) he is priced for 2016 at $310k so, he'd stand to make $20k. What I want to know Ringo, is what information you have that leads you to think Leuey will a) play every game and b) average 80+ points? Please tell me, I'll put him straight in my team too if you have access to reliable information such as training reports, tactical employment plans for Essendon, projected minutes on ground per game?

you're kind of the one that needs to prove why he wont play 3+ games and you cant currently you're only guessing he wont

even providing his past record doesn't prove he wont play 3+ games so yeah

and nobody expects every player to play every game

i'm starting Luey plan to eventually have him as bench cover for both forwards and rucks he can easily go 90+ imo

[Goosey]

If..... Leuey did get on the park and if he managed to play 3+ games to achieve a price increase and if he averaged 80 points as you seem to think he will, he won't make much cash! A player who averages 80 points should be worth approx 334k points (correct me if I'm wrong) he is priced for 2016 at $310k so, he'd stand to make $20k. What I want to know Ringo, is what information you have that leads you to think Leuey will a) play every game and b) average 80+ points? Please tell me, I'll put him straight in my team too if you have access to reliable information such as training reports, tactical employment plans for Essendon, projected minutes on ground per game?

Gee whiz DCAK, I saw your thread on "Smoke and Mirrors" and it appeared to insinuate that the excellent contributors on this forum, of which we all ask endless opinions of (and glean intel from) are somehow providing us misleading feedback? For what it's worth, this is in my opinion, an unfair assessment.

Also, and again this is just in my opinion, a forum contributor (and moderator) like Ringo far from deserves the terse serving like that which you delivered above. At this point in the pre-season, no-one can be expected to provide the "reliable information" of the like you requested. All team player selections are best guesses and personal preferences with strategy in mind. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

Funnily enough, I did see that within your "Please Critique my Team" thread that the 'berger was at F4?

There are other threads where we can debate the legitimacy of picking Leuey, let's leave this thread to rating the Mighty Magpies  ;D