Defence Talk

[Mat0369]

Really starting to warm to the idea of starting T McKenzie at D3

Yes his nab match was good but I didn't realise he is only 300k which is super cheap. Saving 200k over starting a prem is a massive difference

I feel like Sheridan and Lonergan need to turn into keepers at their prices, but at only 300K if he doesn't push 85+ it's fine using a trade to upgrade

I'll be curious to see what role he plays when KK and Eski are back, which is hopefully this weekend

Andrew Walker

Does he come into contention if he looks good this weekend?

Has somebody been reading my watchlist thread?  :P

If McKenzie does play, I have him fringe 22, then he has to focus on defending his man first and foremost and then think about rebounding, he has always been shaky as a defender but has been able to get away with it prior to last year due to his boot. Will be curious to see if he has developed more of a midfield game - have always thought he could play similarly to Hartlett if he upped his endurance base and flexibility.

I said in the McKenzie thread that what has killed him is playing third tall. When he gets that role he doesn't look to win the pill himself, he is either looking for cheap release kicks or is too worried about his opponent. One thing that impressed me was the fact he was intercept marking the ball. He's too good a kick not to get involved more in that back half and he looks to be in ripping shape. When he had his best season it was as a loose in defense and he was able to chop off and slingshot attacks for the Suns. He averaged 88 that year and 80 the year after that. Considering what he is priced at an 80 would be great.

I currently have Bartel, Smith, Cannon, Harwood, rookie, rookie as my 4 defenders. I also have the cash to upgrade to Walker but there are a couple games this weekend I have a bit of interest in to see where guys play.

[ADEZ]

McKenzie certainly is on my watchlist but when he was posting those numbers he, Harbrow and May were the predominant rebounders but now you include Mal, Saad and Rosa and KK's rapid improvement, it makes me think he needs to add some more strings to his bow. If he performs this week with KK, Mal, Saad and Harbrow playing I will be very interested.

Call me a pessimist ::)

[Bully]

McKenzie certainly is on my watchlist but when he was posting those numbers he, Harbrow and May were the predominant rebounders but now you include Mal, Saad and Rosa and KK's rapid improvement, it makes me think he needs to add some more strings to his bow. If he performs this week with KK, Mal, Saad and Harbrow playing I will be very interested.

Call me a pessimist ::)

If I had to choose between Walker & McKenzie I would pay the premium and go Walker. He may never return to the days of being a 100+ powerhouse but at 335k he seems excellent value. In 2014 he averaged 87 with 8 out of 14 games being 90+. I see him as a safe bet too, not a lot of stinkers when he plays a full game. If fit and playing in defence I rate his floor at 80 and his upside at 95, perfect for D3 or D4.

[AaronKirk]

An average of anything above 80 he is a solid pick and a potential D7 come end of season. If he hits 90 than he would be a keeper.

Need to see his role first. Tempting to be in my side playing in the defense.

[enzedder]

Think a lot of coaches are chasing pipe dreams here. Lots of discussion about guys who could do well and are cheap. Aside from Lonergan I can only see disappointment on the horizon. I won't be taking the risk. I can see why everyone is looking... Loaded up in mids and run out of funds.

[kilbluff1985]

cant seem to decide on Bartel vs Birchall for D4

[ben_020285]

cant seem to decide on Bartel vs Birchall for D4

Pick the guy who has averaged 95+ ten times in his career over the guy who has never averaged 95+

[BomberSam]

So many cheap 'potential keeper' options this year. McKenzie, Walker, Lonergan, Sheridan, Williams, Malceski to name a few. If someone could pick two of these guys to go 90+ and one around the 85 mark, it would be a massive success. I currently only have Sheridan in my team.

[jvalles69]

So many cheap 'potential keeper' options this year. McKenzie, Walker, Lonergan, Sheridan, Williams, Malceski to name a few. If someone could pick two of these guys to go 90+ and one around the 85 mark, it would be a massive success. I currently only have Sheridan in my team.

My picks...

[Holz]

So many cheap 'potential keeper' options this year. McKenzie, Walker, Lonergan, Sheridan, Williams, Malceski to name a few. If someone could pick two of these guys to go 90+ and one around the 85 mark, it would be a massive success. I currently only have Sheridan in my team.

My picks...

had lonergan and was thinking if he goes 85 he will only go up like 50k.

Unless im getting donuts im reconsidering.

Have Harwood as he is 280k and if he averages 80 then he goes up 100k.

[BomberSam]

So many cheap 'potential keeper' options this year. McKenzie, Walker, Lonergan, Sheridan, Williams, Malceski to name a few. If someone could pick two of these guys to go 90+ and one around the 85 mark, it would be a massive success. I currently only have Sheridan in my team.

My picks...

had lonergan and was thinking if he goes 85 he will only go up like 50k.

Unless im getting donuts im reconsidering.

Have Harwood as he is 280k and if he averages 80 then he goes up 100k.

Harwood is interesting. I commend you on the pick. I wonder, does he have the potential to be a keeper, or even to average the same as Lonergan/Sheridan?

[jvalles69]

So many cheap 'potential keeper' options this year. McKenzie, Walker, Lonergan, Sheridan, Williams, Malceski to name a few. If someone could pick two of these guys to go 90+ and one around the 85 mark, it would be a massive success. I currently only have Sheridan in my team.

My picks...

had lonergan and was thinking if he goes 85 he will only go up like 50k.

Unless im getting donuts im reconsidering.

Have Harwood as he is 280k and if he averages 80 then he goes up 100k.

Do you think though that Lonergan can start out at a higher average without Swallow and Jaeger on board?

[GoLions]

That's all I need 8)

[Holz]

So many cheap 'potential keeper' options this year. McKenzie, Walker, Lonergan, Sheridan, Williams, Malceski to name a few. If someone could pick two of these guys to go 90+ and one around the 85 mark, it would be a massive success. I currently only have Sheridan in my team.

My picks...

had lonergan and was thinking if he goes 85 he will only go up like 50k.

Unless im getting donuts im reconsidering.

Have Harwood as he is 280k and if he averages 80 then he goes up 100k.

Do you think though that Lonergan can start out at a higher average without Swallow and Jaeger on board?

85 is my higher average. Im expecting that to drop to like 80. remember swallow jaeger presita were all out last year and he still put up only one 100+ score and that was 103.

I actually have just taken him out of my team as cash generation is more important.

[Mat0369]

Think a lot of coaches are chasing pipe dreams here. Lots of discussion about guys who could do well and are cheap. Aside from Lonergan I can only see disappointment on the horizon. I won't be taking the risk. I can see why everyone is looking... Loaded up in mids and run out of funds.

My thoughts with guys like Cannon/Walker is they have had multiple years where they have averaged 80 so it's not a complete reach for them to score that. So looking at their price and what they are capable of it's difficult to not consider them as value for money stepping stone options where you can generally get a fallen premium in defense for around 450k. If you can get say an 80 average and a big score to see them have a quick spike in cash, you might be able to grab a McVeigh who started slowly and is hitting some form or another defender that had an early injury game.