Defence Talk

[Bully]

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Have been looking at S Docherty for some time but have seen mention made of his disposal efficiency not being
so good. So who has the best disposal out of Yeo, Docherty and B Smith ??  ??     ???

Brodie Smith

[AaronKirk]

Decided to go with 4 'premos' and one mid-pricer in defence: Larid, KK, Macmillan, Yeo, Z.Williams, Brown (Ess). The rookies just seem a little unreliable this year down back.

Disagree.

The 2 Browns, Hartley, Broad, The Collins' from Freo and Bulldogs, Byrne from Carlton, Byrne-Jones from Port all look a chance to play round 1.

Bonner, Tippa, Wagner, Adams, Tucker, Adamson, Morgan etc are all lower chances but some chance to maybe play early games.

defensive rookie options are more reliable than the midfield IMO.

I totally disagree AK.

Brown and Hartley are locks and Weitering is expensive option.

You need the rookies to be practically certainties if you are going guns and rookies otherwise you are in big trouble very quickly. Don't want to be trading just to get 6 on the park and u want the bench options to be making immediate cash. You don't pick for the hope of early games.

It's fingers crossed for Collins boys and Byrne jones and maybe tucker but these could easily dropped before a price rise.

As for the rest, I have no faith any will play the first 3 rounds.

Fair enough. We have differing opinions.

Emack is my D4 and the Essendon brown and hartley are D5,D6. The bench will come from those I listed above who I reckon will play early.

If none of those above can fill D7,D8 I guess I can drop Parker from to a Crouch/De Goey or Simpkin up forward to a cheaper forward rookie and bring Weitering in. Not that I reckon it will be necessary

[eaglesman]

Decided to go with 4 'premos' and one mid-pricer in defence: Larid, KK, Macmillan, Yeo, Z.Williams, Brown (Ess). The rookies just seem a little unreliable this year down back.

Disagree.

The 2 Browns, Hartley, Broad, The Collins' from Freo and Bulldogs, Byrne from Carlton, Byrne-Jones from Port all look a chance to play round 1.

Bonner, Tippa, Wagner, Adams, Tucker, Adamson, Morgan etc are all lower chances but some chance to maybe play early games.

defensive rookie options are more reliable than the midfield IMO.

I totally disagree AK.

Brown and Hartley are locks and Weitering is expensive option.

You need the rookies to be practically certainties if you are going guns and rookies otherwise you are in big trouble very quickly. Don't want to be trading just to get 6 on the park and u want the bench options to be making immediate cash. You don't pick for the hope of early games.

It's fingers crossed for Collins boys and Byrne jones and maybe tucker but these could easily dropped before a price rise.

As for the rest, I have no faith any will play the first 3 rounds.

Fair enough. We have differing opinions.

Emack is my D4 and the Essendon brown and hartley are D5,D6. The bench will come from those I listed above who I reckon will play early.

If none of those above can fill D7,D8 I guess I can drop Parker from to a Crouch/De Goey or Simpkin up forward to a cheaper forward rookie and bring Weitering in. Not that I reckon it will be necessary

I hope you are right ... But just think it Is a risk that could ruin your season(if playing for overall) inside of 3 rounds

[AaronKirk]

Decided to go with 4 'premos' and one mid-pricer in defence: Larid, KK, Macmillan, Yeo, Z.Williams, Brown (Ess). The rookies just seem a little unreliable this year down back.

Disagree.

The 2 Browns, Hartley, Broad, The Collins' from Freo and Bulldogs, Byrne from Carlton, Byrne-Jones from Port all look a chance to play round 1.

Bonner, Tippa, Wagner, Adams, Tucker, Adamson, Morgan etc are all lower chances but some chance to maybe play early games.

defensive rookie options are more reliable than the midfield IMO.

I totally disagree AK.

Brown and Hartley are locks and Weitering is expensive option.

You need the rookies to be practically certainties if you are going guns and rookies otherwise you are in big trouble very quickly. Don't want to be trading just to get 6 on the park and u want the bench options to be making immediate cash. You don't pick for the hope of early games.

It's fingers crossed for Collins boys and Byrne jones and maybe tucker but these could easily dropped before a price rise.

As for the rest, I have no faith any will play the first 3 rounds.

Fair enough. We have differing opinions.

Emack is my D4 and the Essendon brown and hartley are D5,D6. The bench will come from those I listed above who I reckon will play early.

If none of those above can fill D7,D8 I guess I can drop Parker from to a Crouch/De Goey or Simpkin up forward to a cheaper forward rookie and bring Weitering in. Not that I reckon it will be necessary

I hope you are right ... But just think it Is a risk that could ruin your season(if playing for overall) inside of 3 rounds

So you really think there will be less than 4 defensive rookies play round 1?

[_wato]

Decided to go with 4 'premos' and one mid-pricer in defence: Larid, KK, Macmillan, Yeo, Z.Williams, Brown (Ess). The rookies just seem a little unreliable this year down back.

Disagree.

The 2 Browns, Hartley, Broad, The Collins' from Freo and Bulldogs, Byrne from Carlton, Byrne-Jones from Port all look a chance to play round 1.

Bonner, Tippa, Wagner, Adams, Tucker, Adamson, Morgan etc are all lower chances but some chance to maybe play early games.

defensive rookie options are more reliable than the midfield IMO.

I totally disagree AK.

Brown and Hartley are locks and Weitering is expensive option.

You need the rookies to be practically certainties if you are going guns and rookies otherwise you are in big trouble very quickly. Don't want to be trading just to get 6 on the park and u want the bench options to be making immediate cash. You don't pick for the hope of early games.

It's fingers crossed for Collins boys and Byrne jones and maybe tucker but these could easily dropped before a price rise.

As for the rest, I have no faith any will play the first 3 rounds.

Fair enough. We have differing opinions.

Emack is my D4 and the Essendon brown and hartley are D5,D6. The bench will come from those I listed above who I reckon will play early.

If none of those above can fill D7,D8 I guess I can drop Parker from to a Crouch/De Goey or Simpkin up forward to a cheaper forward rookie and bring Weitering in. Not that I reckon it will be necessary

I hope you are right ... But just think it Is a risk that could ruin your season(if playing for overall) inside of 3 rounds

So you really think there will be less than 4 defensive rookies play round 1?

Quite possibly mate. Thing that is making me extremely hesitant is the fact that yes they may line up but most don't look like being potential good scorers, or staying in a teams best 22 for any length of time, especially the last five you mentioned (Broad, Collins x2, Byrne, Byrne-Jones)

Brown is a lock, WCE Brown could potentislly fill a D8 spot but make no cash and Hartley has scoring issues. Collins may not play Round 1 given strength of Bulldogs side (he had one good Nab game). Not exactly what you want on field.

Whereas EMac/Weitering/Harwood etc at d4/5 are more than likely to play each and every week and deliver scores that are serviceable. Three premos and then Brown at D6 who looks a gem.

[_wato]

Other thing is, defence is where you want to play safe, and not take too many risks. Flops way more than rewards I think

The good mid rookies who play are more than likely gonna keep playing due to their versatility and always have, and forward rookies are similiar to defensive tookies in that they're always in and out but have more flexible JS and are looking good currently. Helps that there is so many Wells/Kennedy/Menadue types though.

Think the best structure currently is to go 3/2/1 defense, 5/2/1 or 5/1/2 mids, 2 prem rucks, 3/2/1 forwards in prem/midprice(high end rookies)/basement rookies structure.

[AaronKirk]

Decided to go with 4 'premos' and one mid-pricer in defence: Larid, KK, Macmillan, Yeo, Z.Williams, Brown (Ess). The rookies just seem a little unreliable this year down back.

Disagree.

The 2 Browns, Hartley, Broad, The Collins' from Freo and Bulldogs, Byrne from Carlton, Byrne-Jones from Port all look a chance to play round 1.

Bonner, Tippa, Wagner, Adams, Tucker, Adamson, Morgan etc are all lower chances but some chance to maybe play early games.

defensive rookie options are more reliable than the midfield IMO.

I totally disagree AK.

Brown and Hartley are locks and Weitering is expensive option.

You need the rookies to be practically certainties if you are going guns and rookies otherwise you are in big trouble very quickly. Don't want to be trading just to get 6 on the park and u want the bench options to be making immediate cash. You don't pick for the hope of early games.

It's fingers crossed for Collins boys and Byrne jones and maybe tucker but these could easily dropped before a price rise.

As for the rest, I have no faith any will play the first 3 rounds.

Fair enough. We have differing opinions.

Emack is my D4 and the Essendon brown and hartley are D5,D6. The bench will come from those I listed above who I reckon will play early.

If none of those above can fill D7,D8 I guess I can drop Parker from to a Crouch/De Goey or Simpkin up forward to a cheaper forward rookie and bring Weitering in. Not that I reckon it will be necessary

I hope you are right ... But just think it Is a risk that could ruin your season(if playing for overall) inside of 3 rounds

So you really think there will be less than 4 defensive rookies play round 1?

Quite possibly mate. Thing that is making me extremely hesitant is the fact that yes they may line up but most don't look like being potential good scorers, or staying in a teams best 22 for any length of time, especially the last five you mentioned (Broad, Collins x2, Byrne, Byrne-Jones)

Brown is a lock, WCE Brown could potentislly fill a D8 spot but make no cash and Hartley has scoring issues. Collins may not play Round 1 given strength of Bulldogs side (he had one good Nab game). Not exactly what you want on field.

Whereas EMac/Weitering/Harwood etc at d4/5 are more than likely to play each and every week and deliver scores that are serviceable. Three premos and then Brown at D6 who looks a gem.

Why does hartley have scoring issues? Why will he score less than Weitering? Both will score similar, have the same JS and one is 100k cheaper than the other.

3 premos, Emac, Brown D5 and 1 rookie seems on field seems fine to me. 2 rookies that also get games on the bench is fine IMO.

Would have to drop a premo to bring a Weitering/Harwood onto the ground at D5 and I would much prefer not to do that.

[eaglesman]

Decided to go with 4 'premos' and one mid-pricer in defence: Larid, KK, Macmillan, Yeo, Z.Williams, Brown (Ess). The rookies just seem a little unreliable this year down back.

Disagree.

The 2 Browns, Hartley, Broad, The Collins' from Freo and Bulldogs, Byrne from Carlton, Byrne-Jones from Port all look a chance to play round 1.

Bonner, Tippa, Wagner, Adams, Tucker, Adamson, Morgan etc are all lower chances but some chance to maybe play early games.

defensive rookie options are more reliable than the midfield IMO.

I totally disagree AK.

Brown and Hartley are locks and Weitering is expensive option.

You need the rookies to be practically certainties if you are going guns and rookies otherwise you are in big trouble very quickly. Don't want to be trading just to get 6 on the park and u want the bench options to be making immediate cash. You don't pick for the hope of early games.

It's fingers crossed for Collins boys and Byrne jones and maybe tucker but these could easily dropped before a price rise.

As for the rest, I have no faith any will play the first 3 rounds.

Fair enough. We have differing opinions.

Emack is my D4 and the Essendon brown and hartley are D5,D6. The bench will come from those I listed above who I reckon will play early.

If none of those above can fill D7,D8 I guess I can drop Parker from to a Crouch/De Goey or Simpkin up forward to a cheaper forward rookie and bring Weitering in. Not that I reckon it will be necessary

I hope you are right ... But just think it Is a risk that could ruin your season(if playing for overall) inside of 3 rounds

So you really think there will be less than 4 defensive rookies play round 1?

Quite possibly mate. Thing that is making me extremely hesitant is the fact that yes they may line up but most don't look like being potential good scorers, or staying in a teams best 22 for any length of time, especially the last five you mentioned (Broad, Collins x2, Byrne, Byrne-Jones)

Brown is a lock, WCE Brown could potentislly fill a D8 spot but make no cash and Hartley has scoring issues. Collins may not play Round 1 given strength of Bulldogs side (he had one good Nab game). Not exactly what you want on field.

Whereas EMac/Weitering/Harwood etc at d4/5 are more than likely to play each and every week and deliver scores that are serviceable. Three premos and then Brown at D6 who looks a gem.

Agree 100%. I hope Eagles brown plays for SuperCoach but not in reality and in reality I will be surprised to see him get a gig.

I had Langdon at d4 but considering eMac d4 weits d5. Hartley a pulse the bench. D8 mystery to this point

[RaisyDaisy]

Was wondering the same thing AK - why do people think Hartley can't score? He did score 100 on the weekend...

I think 4 rookies is what I'll be doing down back. D3 and D4 I'm still undecided on - 1 prem 1 mid pricer, 2 mid pricers, 1 and Emack or WhiteX etc but I think brown and Hartley plus 2 bench rookies is the way to go for now

[eaglesman]

Was wondering the same thing AK - why do people think Hartley can't score? He did score 100 on the weekend...

I think 4 rookies is what I'll be doing down back. D3 and D4 I'm still undecided on - 1 prem 1 mid pricer, 2 mid pricers, 1 and Emack or WhiteX etc but I think brown and Hartley plus 2 bench rookies is the way to go for now

Yeah I not worried about Hartley scoring, couldn't care less if he only scored 40 as long as he playing.
It's the d8 spot I want another point scoring player making some amount of cash.
Tell me that player with a degree of certainty? I thought it was Collins but even he I can't be certain on.

[RaisyDaisy]

We'll have a much better idea over the next week or two.

I'm sure at least 2 can emerge from that massive list of possibilities

[Bully]

Was wondering the same thing AK - why do people think Hartley can't score? He did score 100 on the weekend...

I think 4 rookies is what I'll be doing down back. D3 and D4 I'm still undecided on - 1 prem 1 mid pricer, 2 mid pricers, 1 and Emack or WhiteX etc but I think brown and Hartley plus 2 bench rookies is the way to go for now

Hartley scored 100 against Carlton seconds, it would be very presumptuous to expect that in the season proper. All you have to do is look at the likes of McKenzie & Talia, both AA fullbacks but players who have struggled to score well in SC. Hartley is a good rookie for the bench, he will make 150-200k which is all you can ask. I'm not sold on Weitering as a viable option either, he's great for JS but still not sold on his ability to match the midfield rookies.

[HotTiges]

Was wondering the same thing AK - why do people think Hartley can't score? He did score 100 on the weekend...

I think 4 rookies is what I'll be doing down back. D3 and D4 I'm still undecided on - 1 prem 1 mid pricer, 2 mid pricers, 1 and Emack or WhiteX etc but I think brown and Hartley plus 2 bench rookies is the way to go for now

Hartley scored 100 against Carlton seconds, it would be very presumptuous to expect that in the season proper. All you have to do is look at the likes of McKenzie & Talia, both AA fullbacks but players who have struggled to score well in SC. Hartley is a good rookie for the bench, he will make 150-200k which is all you can ask. I'm not sold on Weitering as a viable option either, he's great for JS but still not sold on his ability to match the midfield rookies.

6 man premo defence?

[Capper]

Was wondering the same thing AK - why do people think Hartley can't score? He did score 100 on the weekend...

I think 4 rookies is what I'll be doing down back. D3 and D4 I'm still undecided on - 1 prem 1 mid pricer, 2 mid pricers, 1 and Emack or WhiteX etc but I think brown and Hartley plus 2 bench rookies is the way to go for now

Hartley scored 100 against Carlton seconds, it would be very presumptuous to expect that in the season proper. All you have to do is look at the likes of McKenzie & Talia, both AA fullbacks but players who have struggled to score well in SC. Hartley is a good rookie for the bench, he will make 150-200k which is all you can ask. I'm not sold on Weitering as a viable option either, he's great for JS but still not sold on his ability to match the midfield rookies.

6 man premo defence?

if you are going for Prems and rooks then you would be looking at Weitering. He is currently out of my team but has great JS but maybe crack a 60 each week

[Swoozie]

Really tempted to have a crack at Seedsman with Jaensch's retirement.

Only $324k

Only problem being I've already got Smith and ideally I wouldn't want two half backs from the same team.