How important is ruck cover?

Grufflez · December 19, 2015, 04:31:55 AM

Quote from: Holz on December 18, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
You dont need to cover Goldy.

So its only one spot you need to worry about

That's the perfect Jinx if ever i have seen it.

quinny88 · December 19, 2015, 10:33:45 AM

Quote from: Grufflez on December 19, 2015, 04:31:55 AM
Quote from: Holz on December 18, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
You dont need to cover Goldy.

So its only one spot you need to worry about

That's the perfect Jinx if ever i have seen it.

Agree Grufflez haha the bloke has been very durable but anyone can get suspended or have a 2 week injury and he's well overdue. I think Currie will play for GC so he is perfect bench cover without needing Leuey. I think Leuy is a good pick though in his own right and can score 90+ and be a potential F6 keeper

Drak · December 19, 2015, 10:51:03 AM

Quote from: quinny88 on December 19, 2015, 10:33:45 AM
Quote from: Grufflez on December 19, 2015, 04:31:55 AM
Quote from: Holz on December 18, 2015, 02:30:31 PM
You dont need to cover Goldy.

So its only one spot you need to worry about

That's the perfect Jinx if ever i have seen it.

Agree Grufflez haha the bloke has been very durable but anyone can get suspended or have a 2 week injury and he's well overdue. I think Currie will play for GC so he is perfect bench cover without needing Leuey. I think Leuy is a good pick though in his own right and can score 90+ and be a potential F6 keeper

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crowls · December 26, 2015, 12:02:00 AM

Quote from: Southstorm on December 18, 2015, 03:17:08 PM
It's not so much about picking ruck cover at all costs as it is identifying that there are a couple of really good value DPP rucks at the moment who could be considered for a spot in the forward line based on their output alone. If you consider that rucks are generally the hardest line to replace/upgrade, you should also consider how the F4 ruck will strengthen your ruck line.

I feel like Leuey would give away 5-10 ppg max to any player that's under 500k in the forward line at the moment, which is really all you can consider for F4. If he can do that for 300k, he's in. If he can do that for 300k, and save me 100 points at some stage when one of my rucks goes down for a week, he's a lock.

I didn't start ruck cover last year and it's by far my biggest regret. Had I have had Bellchambers at F4 and not at R2, I would have finished much higher than what I did.

grat summary of benefit of value selection and where leuy could fit into fwd keeper. i see him as f6/7 r3 at year end

creeker · January 01, 2016, 02:23:24 PM

Very interested to hear members opinions on Ruck Cover for 2016.
Have read some different views on this and I think it could be a interesting topic.

2014. I started with the Jacobs, Sandi combo which worked a treat. Thought I needed some cover and went with Hale in the fwd line. This backfired big time as I lost points playing Hale. As soon as Stef Martin played mid season I pounced and he provided excellent cover. Luke Parker was roughly the same starting price as Hale and this cost me many points.

2015. Started with Goldy and Maric. Saw others with TBC as cover but avoided that debacle. Was keen to have ruck cover then Max Gawn arrived during the season. Jumped on and was very happy with his scores.

2016. At this stage I have Stef Martin and Nic Nat pencilled in. Will go with a R/F at R3 just in case. No ruck cover for me at this stage but will be monitoring a few in the pre season games.

Keen to see other opinions.

shaker · January 01, 2016, 03:05:18 PM

Set and forget for me and hopefully a cheapie that plays a bit on the bench , not getting caught up in all the Luey hype

RaisyDaisy · January 01, 2016, 03:18:27 PM

Goldy NicNat with Luey at F4

300k for a player capable of averaging 100 and providing ruck cover is a no brainer. Woosha has said he will be the main ruck and I don't see a lot of forwards I like to start this year anyway so Luey turning into a potential F6 ala Gawn this year is locked for me

creeker · January 01, 2016, 03:38:16 PM

Both very valid points above.
Oh, I guess I should have looked at the SC Strategy Thread. Same topic there.
Not sure what to do now, delete or leave it.
Sorry mods. Delete if you wish.

Mat0369 · January 01, 2016, 04:05:50 PM

I am going with Goldy and Leuenberger with Currie at R3. Currie is 100% a lock if he is named as he can just sit on my bench earning me some cash hopefully. I have never really been a fan of going two big price guys in the ruck to start the season. Cox has generally been the only guy in the past I have been willing to fork out the cash for and then I would go with one of the mid price guys as my R2. Rucks have been fickle, Cox was generally going to be a top guy regardless which is why I would fork out the cash for him, but doing this would give me time to evaluate the next best.

I am leaning towards a similar strategy this year but replace Cox with Goldy. Leuenberger was huge for me a couple years back, I started him and Goldstein in the ruck and it helped me fill out my team quite nicely. Berger ended up averaging 97 as a solo ruck but I think I ended up upgrading him to Minno. In the two games he solo rucked last year he had huge hitout totals, tonned up against the Dockers and then had a disappointing 64 in a loss against the Swans. If he can even go at a 90 average at his price it's a win as a ruck 2 while I can use the cash elsewhere to maybe bring in a premium mid instead. I can then move him to my forward line if he is playing well and use him as coverage later in the season by downgrading Currie to one of the DPP nobodies. It's a bash and crash position so guys will get injured, I don't really want to be burning trades to cover these guys down the line, but I am not keen to fork out a ton of cash to cover these guys either.

Ringo · January 01, 2016, 04:25:23 PM

Have merged both threads so as not to lose comments in thread from SC Players.

ben_020285 · January 01, 2016, 04:48:48 PM

Quote from: Mat0369 on January 01, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
I am going with Goldy and Leuenberger with Currie at R3. Currie is 100% a lock if he is named as he can just sit on my bench earning me some cash hopefully. I have never really been a fan of going two big price guys in the ruck to start the season. Cox has generally been the only guy in the past I have been willing to fork out the cash for and then I would go with one of the mid price guys as my R2. Rucks have been fickle, Cox was generally going to be a top guy regardless which is why I would fork out the cash for him, but doing this would give me time to evaluate the next best.

I am leaning towards a similar strategy this year but replace Cox with Goldy. Leuenberger was huge for me a couple years back, I started him and Goldstein in the ruck and it helped me fill out my team quite nicely. Berger ended up averaging 97 as a solo ruck but I think I ended up upgrading him to Minno. In the two games he solo rucked last year he had huge hitout totals, tonned up against the Dockers and then had a disappointing 64 in a loss against the Swans. If he can even go at a 90 average at his price it's a win as a ruck 2 while I can use the cash elsewhere to maybe bring in a premium mid instead. I can then move him to my forward line if he is playing well and use him as coverage later in the season by downgrading Currie to one of the DPP nobodies. It's a bash and crash position so guys will get injured, I don't really want to be burning trades to cover these guys down the line, but I am not keen to fork out a ton of cash to cover these guys either.

Currie extremely unlikely to play round 1. Nicholls would basically need to get injured between now and then.

fanTCfool · January 01, 2016, 05:12:25 PM

Was reluctant to follow the hype and select Currie, but with a R13 and R14 bye ruck already locked in, it just makes sense.

GoLions · January 01, 2016, 09:09:20 PM

Quote from: ben_020285 on January 01, 2016, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 01, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
I am going with Goldy and Leuenberger with Currie at R3. Currie is 100% a lock if he is named as he can just sit on my bench earning me some cash hopefully. I have never really been a fan of going two big price guys in the ruck to start the season. Cox has generally been the only guy in the past I have been willing to fork out the cash for and then I would go with one of the mid price guys as my R2. Rucks have been fickle, Cox was generally going to be a top guy regardless which is why I would fork out the cash for him, but doing this would give me time to evaluate the next best.

I am leaning towards a similar strategy this year but replace Cox with Goldy. Leuenberger was huge for me a couple years back, I started him and Goldstein in the ruck and it helped me fill out my team quite nicely. Berger ended up averaging 97 as a solo ruck but I think I ended up upgrading him to Minno. In the two games he solo rucked last year he had huge hitout totals, tonned up against the Dockers and then had a disappointing 64 in a loss against the Swans. If he can even go at a 90 average at his price it's a win as a ruck 2 while I can use the cash elsewhere to maybe bring in a premium mid instead. I can then move him to my forward line if he is playing well and use him as coverage later in the season by downgrading Currie to one of the DPP nobodies. It's a bash and crash position so guys will get injured, I don't really want to be burning trades to cover these guys down the line, but I am not keen to fork out a ton of cash to cover these guys either.

Currie extremely unlikely to play round 1. Nicholls would basically need to get injured between now and then.

Which isn't all that unlikely :P

Goosey · January 01, 2016, 09:58:02 PM

I think that the obvious base issue is that none of us want to spend more than rookie dollars on R3, who wants excess dollars sitting on the pine?

If there are none available, the sensible thing to do is have a well priced solid RUC/FWD DPP (if available) to interchange as ruck cover when required.

It's a simple insurance policy. So if you're not inclined to take out insurance, you probably won't start Leuey, or any other ruck DPP for that matter.

I think it's a well rounded strategy, and I will be employing it, provided Leuey is a viable pick when the real stuff begins, it is only January the 1st after all ;D

AaronKirk · January 01, 2016, 10:12:15 PM

Quote from: ben_020285 on January 01, 2016, 04:48:48 PM
Quote from: Mat0369 on January 01, 2016, 04:05:50 PM
I am going with Goldy and Leuenberger with Currie at R3. Currie is 100% a lock if he is named as he can just sit on my bench earning me some cash hopefully. I have never really been a fan of going two big price guys in the ruck to start the season. Cox has generally been the only guy in the past I have been willing to fork out the cash for and then I would go with one of the mid price guys as my R2. Rucks have been fickle, Cox was generally going to be a top guy regardless which is why I would fork out the cash for him, but doing this would give me time to evaluate the next best.

I am leaning towards a similar strategy this year but replace Cox with Goldy. Leuenberger was huge for me a couple years back, I started him and Goldstein in the ruck and it helped me fill out my team quite nicely. Berger ended up averaging 97 as a solo ruck but I think I ended up upgrading him to Minno. In the two games he solo rucked last year he had huge hitout totals, tonned up against the Dockers and then had a disappointing 64 in a loss against the Swans. If he can even go at a 90 average at his price it's a win as a ruck 2 while I can use the cash elsewhere to maybe bring in a premium mid instead. I can then move him to my forward line if he is playing well and use him as coverage later in the season by downgrading Currie to one of the DPP nobodies. It's a bash and crash position so guys will get injured, I don't really want to be burning trades to cover these guys down the line, but I am not keen to fork out a ton of cash to cover these guys either.

Currie extremely unlikely to play round 1. Nicholls would basically need to get injured between now and then.

It is very unlikely with the new interchange rotations and removal of the sub that teams will only go in with one ruck.

The only back up options are Currie and Brooksby. I'd be picking Currie over Brooksby in a heartbeat.

If fit I'd be surprised if Currie didn't play a lot of games for the suns this season.

On the point of the topic I will likely be selecting Goldy and Nic nat as R1,R2 and Leuenberger as F4 as cover. If a sub 200k ruck plays round 1 and fits the bye structure I want to have then I will select them as well, other wise Max King will be R3 again.