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Started by Drak, December 15, 2015, 10:59:50 PM

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Capper

#135
January 14, 2016, 01:58:21 PM

Ringo

#136
January 14, 2016, 03:28:35 PM
The hide of Dank having a number of lawsuits going on as well. From my reading of the full report he should have no chance at all of succeeding in these.  like most I was appalled when I read 128 what person in their right mind would experiment unproven substances on fellow human beings.

Grazz

#138
January 14, 2016, 11:28:05 PM

Grazz

#139
January 14, 2016, 11:34:46 PM

Grazz

#141
January 15, 2016, 12:03:21 AM Last Edit: January 15, 2016, 12:06:12 AM by Grazz
Got it working mate thanks, kinda wish I didn't bother really Daz was alot of not me not me it was others. Jim forgets alot of what he said over the journey. He talks of trying to stop it but forgets he also sent this text

On January 30, Hird text: “No stress but need to organise a meeting with you me Reidy, Danksy and Weapon the day you get back. Reidy has stopped everything which is getting a little frustrating. Need to get your United Nations skills back into action.”

Grazz

#142
January 15, 2016, 12:16:53 AM
What do you think about it Daz ? im kinda hoping part 2 sheds some more light as there is nothing we don't know in part 1.

DazBurg

#143
January 15, 2016, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: Grazz on January 15, 2016, 12:16:53 AM
What do you think about it Daz ? im kinda hoping part 2 sheds some more light as there is nothing we don't know in part 1.
yeah doesn't really shed any light at all

hard position for me really as i'm a huge bombers man and loved hirdy

almost cannot bring myself to believe he or the club or players did anything (not saying i disagree with any evidence etc just saying i still find myself in denial a lot at times like inside i justt hink they wouldn't be capable of something like that?)

hlel i am a bit of a naive person when it comes to things like that though TBH i badly want to believe it doesn't happen even when it does it is a devastating feeling like having your bubble popped

like 3 years ago when it first come out a work mate even said he hated talking to me about it as he firmly believed something wrong was going down (even before a lot of the evidence came out)

but he Said
Daz i hate talking to you about it your such  a nice bloke and have a kind of innocence about you that i can see shatters you just tihnking about it....lol

suppose that summed me up well

Grazz

#144
January 15, 2016, 12:35:42 AM
Quote from: DazBurg on January 15, 2016, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: Grazz on January 15, 2016, 12:16:53 AM
What do you think about it Daz ? im kinda hoping part 2 sheds some more light as there is nothing we don't know in part 1.
yeah doesn't really shed any light at all

hard position for me really as i'm a huge bombers man and loved hirdy

almost cannot bring myself to believe he or the club or players did anything (not saying i disagree with any evidence etc just saying i still find myself in denial a lot at times like inside i justt hink they wouldn't be capable of something like that?)

hlel i am a bit of a naive person when it comes to things like that though TBH i badly want to believe it doesn't happen even when it does it is a devastating feeling like having your bubble popped

like 3 years ago when it first come out a work mate even said he hated talking to me about it as he firmly believed something wrong was going down (even before a lot of the evidence came out)

but he Said
Daz i hate talking to you about it your such  a nice bloke and have a kind of innocence about you that i can see shatters you just tihnking about it....lol

suppose that summed me up well

Well he was right mate you are a bloody nice bloke and to be honest I find myself tiptoeing around it a little as I to don't want to hurt or offend you either or anyone else for that matter I think you supporters have been through more than enough through no fault of your own but for loving a club and a legend of the game. There's no shame in that mate it was done to you not by you.

DazBurg

#145
January 15, 2016, 12:42:39 AM
Quote from: Grazz on January 15, 2016, 12:35:42 AM
Quote from: DazBurg on January 15, 2016, 12:23:25 AM
Quote from: Grazz on January 15, 2016, 12:16:53 AM
What do you think about it Daz ? im kinda hoping part 2 sheds some more light as there is nothing we don't know in part 1.
yeah doesn't really shed any light at all

hard position for me really as i'm a huge bombers man and loved hirdy

almost cannot bring myself to believe he or the club or players did anything (not saying i disagree with any evidence etc just saying i still find myself in denial a lot at times like inside i justt hink they wouldn't be capable of something like that?)

hlel i am a bit of a naive person when it comes to things like that though TBH i badly want to believe it doesn't happen even when it does it is a devastating feeling like having your bubble popped

like 3 years ago when it first come out a work mate even said he hated talking to me about it as he firmly believed something wrong was going down (even before a lot of the evidence came out)

but he Said
Daz i hate talking to you about it your such  a nice bloke and have a kind of innocence about you that i can see shatters you just tihnking about it....lol

suppose that summed me up well

Well he was right mate you are a bloody nice bloke and to be honest I find myself tiptoeing around it a little as I to don't want to hurt or offend you either or anyone else for that matter I think you supporters have been through more than enough through no fault of your own but for loving a club and a legend of the game. There's no shame in that mate it was done to you not by you.

don't think that is possible mate
! personally
as i'm sure many others here would as well have a huge amount of respect for you and would know anything you do say now or may say would be from a respectful position and just trying to show us the view from a non supporter side ;)

Grazz

#146
January 15, 2016, 12:48:52 AM
Thankyou Daz.

DazBurg

#147
January 15, 2016, 12:50:20 AM
Quote from: Grazz on January 15, 2016, 12:48:52 AM
Thankyou Daz.
most welcome grazzy :)

PowerBug

#148
January 15, 2016, 10:59:00 AM
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Ricochet

#149
January 15, 2016, 11:21:15 AM
The bits I found important


The first is the reason why they started the program
Quote
One of the criticisms levelled at Essendon is why we chose to inject players with compliant supplements at all.

The fact is we were not the only club to use compliant safe injectable supplements. Essendon was one of many AFL clubs doing this. It was legal, it was ethical and the logic and motivation were both sound. Why?

First, because players of both my era and past eras pushed ourselves beyond what the body was capable of, often through injuries and usually beyond pain all the while ignoring the long-term consequences.

At this time the use of painkillers, anti-inflammatory and sleeping tablets were the norm but would lead to side effects such as long-term arthritis, long-term neural pain, eroded stomach linings, addictions and sleeping disorders, to name a few.

To subject modern players to these “old world” methods and consequences would have been “low performance” at best and negligent at worst, especially given there had been so many developments in sports science since my time as a player.

Second, it would become clear our football team was uncompetitive in the “strength stakes”.

Our thinking was heavily influenced in 2011 by two-time premiership coach Mark Thompson, who was my senior mentor, and Brendan McCartney, my senior assistant coach.

Thompson and McCartney came from Geelong having built a powerful outfit.

Super strong and incredibly skilled, the Cats dominated the competition from 2007 until 2011.

Thompson and McCartney’s most poignant observation was that we lacked size and strength and so were uncompetitive.



Second, which may seem like Hird is passing blame/responsibility, but sometimes it is the way a footy club works
QuoteThe answer is that Hamilton was the head of the football department. Robinson reported to Hamilton, Dank reported to Robinson and the medical department reported to Robinson as well.

Dr Bruce Reid had a direct line to Hamilton if he needed to communicate directly.

I was responsible for the coaches and the player’s football performance. These were essentially discrete units where Hamilton and I were on the same level and reported independently and directly to the chief executive, Ian Robson.


Also
QuoteAs has been reported publicly, I was comfortable with supplements provided they would be ASADA and AFL approved, could do no harm to any player, the players have given their informed consent and the final approval lay with Dr Reid.

The supplements program then, from my perspective, had sound logic, important goals, the people the club had engaged presented as credible and successful, the structure for the program was right and the protocol for decision-making and player welfare had integrity.

I trusted the governance we put around this program and the people directly in charge of administering it.
This was backed by the CAS report



Then, when Dank goes rogue
QuoteIt seems that what transpired was that the protocol we put in place was not always followed.

Importantly, to our knowledge at that time, this was the scope of the problem, because Dank had assured the club the supplements were compliant.

He had even presented supporting evidence. Upon first learning of Dr Reid’s concerns in January 2012 that the protocol may not have been followed I re-emphasised the protocols that needed to be in place via email to Robinson.

I was clear. Crystal clear. In addition, Dr Reid would outline his concerns with Robinson and Dank and the lack of information he had received as to the effectiveness of the supplements.

QuoteA series of meetings would follow to try to get to the bottom of the matter and take the action that needed to be taken.

These meetings took place in the weeks after the Anzac Day game 2012, meetings in which Hamilton, Thompson, Dr Reid and I reminded Dank that there was no situation in which he was allowed to administer injections without Dr Reid’s approval as the protocol demanded.

A meeting in which Dr Reid and Danny Corcoran expressed to the club president and chief executive that Dank and Robinson should be sacked. A request I supported.
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