DPP changes for 2016 ......post 'em here

Started by nostradamus, December 11, 2015, 09:28:26 AM

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kilbluff1985

Quote from: Ricochet on December 14, 2015, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 14, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 14, 2015, 02:54:51 PM
Quote from: Capper on December 14, 2015, 02:18:32 PM
The article also mentions Rosa, sounds like he will be a def

QuoteWhile at Gold Coast, former Eagle Matt Rosa should slot straight into the Suns’ midfield and at $419,000 presents plenty of value if he can replicate his 2012 form when he averaged 90.

Was confirmed in another article that he has DPP now

Hurley a lock at 511k KB?  ???

yeah i like him and wont get tagged maybe being biased
Won't get tagged?? lol he's a defender

defenders get tagged by forwards who do lockdown roles

Ricochet

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 14, 2015, 11:34:07 PM
Quote from: Ricochet on December 14, 2015, 11:32:19 PM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 14, 2015, 11:11:07 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 14, 2015, 02:54:51 PM
Quote from: Capper on December 14, 2015, 02:18:32 PM
The article also mentions Rosa, sounds like he will be a def

QuoteWhile at Gold Coast, former Eagle Matt Rosa should slot straight into the Suns’ midfield and at $419,000 presents plenty of value if he can replicate his 2012 form when he averaged 90.

Was confirmed in another article that he has DPP now

Hurley a lock at 511k KB?  ???

yeah i like him and wont get tagged maybe being biased
Won't get tagged?? lol he's a defender

defenders get tagged by forwards who do lockdown roles
yeh no shower lol Mainly running rebounding defenders like BSmith, Houli, Shaw. Not keys like Hurley
Its like saying I'm going to pick Rance because he won't get tagged

kilbluff1985

i'm really not getting your point

what's wrong with picking Rance cause he wont get tagged?

Nige

Rico's point is that it's kinda pointless to say he won't get tagged since players who play his role don't get tagged anyway. If defenders do at all get tagged, it's usually rebounding defenders.

kilbluff1985

Quote from: Nige on December 15, 2015, 12:00:01 AM
Rico's point is that it's kinda pointless to say he won't get tagged since players who play his role don't get tagged anyway. If defenders do at all get tagged, it's usually rebounding defenders.

how is it pointless i was pointing out to RD why i liked him

Ricochet

Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 15, 2015, 12:01:50 AM
Quote from: Nige on December 15, 2015, 12:00:01 AM
Rico's point is that it's kinda pointless to say he won't get tagged since players who play his role don't get tagged anyway. If defenders do at all get tagged, it's usually rebounding defenders.

how is it pointless i was pointing out to RD why i liked him
Nothing at all mate, pick him because he won't get tagged.

kilbluff1985

Quote from: Ricochet on December 15, 2015, 12:04:23 AM
Quote from: kilbluff1985 on December 15, 2015, 12:01:50 AM
Quote from: Nige on December 15, 2015, 12:00:01 AM
Rico's point is that it's kinda pointless to say he won't get tagged since players who play his role don't get tagged anyway. If defenders do at all get tagged, it's usually rebounding defenders.

how is it pointless i was pointing out to RD why i liked him
Nothing at all mate, pick him because he won't get tagged.
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will do

thanks for your input

RaisyDaisy

Yeah not being tagged although true probably isn't a real reason. He's a decent pick, but I can't see anymore upside in him at that price

As for Greene, my gut just tells me he won't improve either. Harsh call so early in his career but I just feel like other giants will pass him. Just a gut feel, that's all

My gut is also telling me not to start Barlow either. Crazy I know, but I'll probably end up starting him due to lack of options I like

kilbluff1985

will be watching Salem pretty closely also in preseason games

RaisyDaisy

Anyone tempted to start Gray as a mid only?

There was hesitance this year starting Danger after he lost DPP but I started him and it worked out well. I'm tempted to start Gray as a POD, but will be hard to squeeze him in with so much value in the mids already

Thinking of one of Sloane or Gray could be great POD options


powersuperkents

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 15, 2015, 12:13:29 AM
Yeah not being tagged although true probably isn't a real reason. He's a decent pick, but I can't see anymore upside in him at that price

As for Greene, my gut just tells me he won't improve either. Harsh call so early in his career but I just feel like other giants will pass him. Just a gut feel, that's all

My gut is also telling me not to start Barlow either. Crazy I know, but I'll probably end up starting him due to lack of options I like
Yeah I have a feeling that Barlow is set to decline from now on. The younger Freo mids are quickly improving (i.e. Hills, Neale, Sherridan at half-back) and bringing in Bennell may not help Barlow either (conversely, it could reinvigorate him that).

My bet is that it's all downhill from here for Barlow (purely my opinion based on watching him this season)

Regarding Greene, you may be right. He had a fantastic debut season but there are plenty of players who excel in their first season but fail to improve and the late 'improvers' easily overtake them (he plays with two of these player types - i.e. Spud Scully & Spud Rhys Palmer). He already has a reputation as a whipping boy and since his debut, his only good performances are in patches of good form. I think he will be a form player at best - rather than a bona fide premium. He can either slide downhill from here or remain a form player - I just cannot see him being a consistent major ball winner for the Giants. Treloar leaving should help him, but by 'help' I think it will mean two or three extra scores over 100 in the season than he would have got if Treloar was playing


Ricochet

Quote from: powersuperkents on December 15, 2015, 12:43:28 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 15, 2015, 12:13:29 AM
Yeah not being tagged although true probably isn't a real reason. He's a decent pick, but I can't see anymore upside in him at that price

As for Greene, my gut just tells me he won't improve either. Harsh call so early in his career but I just feel like other giants will pass him. Just a gut feel, that's all

My gut is also telling me not to start Barlow either. Crazy I know, but I'll probably end up starting him due to lack of options I like
Yeah I have a feeling that Barlow is set to decline from now on. The younger Freo mids are quickly improving (i.e. Hills, Neale, Sherridan at half-back) and bringing in Bennell may not help Barlow either (conversely, it could reinvigorate him that).

My bet is that it's all downhill from here for Barlow (purely my opinion based on watching him this season)

Regarding Greene, you may be right. He had a fantastic debut season but there are plenty of players who excel in their first season but fail to improve and the late 'improvers' easily overtake them (he plays with two of these player types - i.e. Spud Scully & Spud Rhys Palmer). He already has a reputation as a whipping boy and since his debut, his only good performances are in patches of good form. I think he will be a form player at best - rather than a bona fide premium. He can either slide downhill from here or remain a form player - I just cannot see him being a consistent major ball winner for the Giants. Treloar leaving should help him, but by 'help' I think it will mean two or three extra scores over 100 in the season than he would have got if Treloar was playing
Barlow's decline this year was largely from a small role/movement change and his early injury.

From what I've heard that role will change back next year

_wato

Really? My gut says Barlow will have a massive year. 105++

And RD, I've also had Gray in my squad at times this preseason in my midfield. Port's draw is super friendly considering they missed the eight, Boak gets tagged 9/10 times and Gray is a goal kicking mid with two years of 110+ scoring

If he could just improve slightly he could push 115+ and be a top 8 mid, I'm considering dropping Jelwood for him seeing as everyone wants Jelwood

Ablett, Rocky, Gray, Sloane

Only thing is it just doesn't look right

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: powersuperkents on December 15, 2015, 12:43:28 AM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on December 15, 2015, 12:13:29 AM
Yeah not being tagged although true probably isn't a real reason. He's a decent pick, but I can't see anymore upside in him at that price

As for Greene, my gut just tells me he won't improve either. Harsh call so early in his career but I just feel like other giants will pass him. Just a gut feel, that's all

My gut is also telling me not to start Barlow either. Crazy I know, but I'll probably end up starting him due to lack of options I like
Yeah I have a feeling that Barlow is set to decline from now on. The younger Freo mids are quickly improving (i.e. Hills, Neale, Sherridan at half-back) and bringing in Bennell may not help Barlow either (conversely, it could reinvigorate him that).

My bet is that it's all downhill from here for Barlow (purely my opinion based on watching him this season)

Regarding Greene, you may be right. He had a fantastic debut season but there are plenty of players who excel in their first season but fail to improve and the late 'improvers' easily overtake them (he plays with two of these player types - i.e. Spud Scully & Spud Rhys Palmer). He already has a reputation as a whipping boy and since his debut, his only good performances are in patches of good form. I think he will be a form player at best - rather than a bona fide premium. He can either slide downhill from here or remain a form player - I just cannot see him being a consistent major ball winner for the Giants. Treloar leaving should help him, but by 'help' I think it will mean two or three extra scores over 100 in the season than he would have got if Treloar was playing

Very similar thoughts, more so "feels" to myself

Treloar leaving opens up an opportunity for someone, but I just don't think that someone is Greene. Guys like Coniglio, Whitfield, Kelly, Hoskin-Elliott, Steele etc all have more upside than him IMO. I honestly see Greene as a 85-95avg player. 4 tons from 22 games this year wasn't exactly inspiring either

Barlow I am much more confident picking over Greene. He has the history and at 505k you cant really lose. Gut says he will probably taper off a little, but at that price and the runs he has on the board coupled with plenty of forwards no longer available I think he probably becomes close to a must, even though I'm slightly hesitant atm


RaisyDaisy

Quote from: _wato on December 15, 2015, 12:47:44 AM
Really? My gut says Barlow will have a massive year. 105++

And RD, I've also had Gray in my squad at times this preseason in my midfield. Port's draw is super friendly considering they missed the eight, Boak gets tagged 9/10 times and Gray is a goal kicking mid with two years of 110+ scoring

If he could just improve slightly he could push 115+ and be a top 8 mid, I'm considering dropping Jelwood for him seeing as everyone wants Jelwood

Ablett, Rocky, Gray, Sloane

Only thing is it just doesn't look right

Looks fine to me, although I'll be starting with 5 mids most likely which would make those 4 look great

Ablett and Rocky are locked, and then I'm thinking 3 of Fyfe, Pendles, Sloane, Gray, Jelwood, Libba and Ward. Which 3 will come down to price, draw etc. I haven't even looked at anything so far (Eg Fanplanner) so I'll start to finally look into season 2016 on Wednesday when SC Gold opens up