Jaeger O’Meara

[sidvicious]

Jaeger contract speculation moving to a Melb. club may be a distraction

[plumdog millionaire]

Danger was alright last year. Different personality I guess

[ubeaut]

i think you can have 2 of the 3

libba and crouch the 2 best folloewd by o'meara

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If JOM plays R1 and becomes a Keeper if you don't start him you will be well off the pace and be very hard to catch up over the course of the year. 
Most people say it is a risk starting all 3, I argue that it is more of a risk not starting all 3.

I agree

Why not start all 3? If one of them fails then downgrade/corrective trade to Mills  Hopper etc

At their prices they are musts if they line up rd1

I agree

this is the year to risk it all on mid priced mids

I agree

[Money Shot]

Would something like

Pendles, Ablett, Rocky, Libba, Crouch, Omera be too weak???

[TomK]

Would something like

Pendles, Ablett, Rocky, Libba, Crouch, Omera be too weak???

That's what I'm trying to work out, it really depends on what the rest of your team looks like. My situation would be Gray + EMac or O'Meara + KK

[quinny88]

Would something like

Pendles, Ablett, Rocky, Libba, Crouch, Omera be too weak???

I don't think so. I'm only going with Libba and Crouch but can definitely understand going with all 3

[Mat0369]

Why not start all 3? If one of them fails then downgrade/corrective trade to Mills  Hopper etc

At their prices they are musts if they line up rd1

I would rather use my corrective trades on rookies then mid priced players. If you get an LTI in round 1 that is the only time I intend to use a trade there and then round 2 is for rookies. I can't afford to be burning 4 trades considering the injury carnage of the last season. My team was f'ed by the byes because I was almost trading out an injured player each week.

The way I see it Libba, Crouch and O'Meara all carry significant risk in one way or another.

Crouch has had foot issues for the last two seasons. It wasn't just a one off, it has been recurring, he injured it last year in the NAB cup and the year before in round 1. There is a very real possibility we only get 2 or 3 games out of Crouch before he injures his foot.

Libba is coming off an ACL and has been criticized by the club for partying too much with mates and not focusing on his recovery. The other thing that saw Libba perform so well the season before his ACL was his connection with Minno. It saw him get first use and bump up his contested possession count. Even in a down season Minson to Libba was the 6th best connection in the league. If Libba gets through the NAB I am not sure if he will go 105 but he seems a safer pick then the other two.

O'Meara had a double knee surgery, has a degenerative knee condition and then tore an ACL. He's fitness base is way behind both of these guys and he has never actually averaged over 100 yet so I think everyone needs to cool it on the 105 talk. If we're being realistic the guy will probably go around 90 considering they will ease him back in. If he starts slow, which is highly probable, there is no point in starting him since it will start his cash growth.

[Spite]

Why not start all 3? If one of them fails then downgrade/corrective trade to Mills  Hopper etc

At their prices they are musts if they line up rd1

Don't mind the idea of a corrective trade at all

My query is ... If we select all 3, I feel we select all 3 as season keepers. I think a majority would have omeara at m7 ... to become full premium we would only have 1 place for an upgrade in our midfields which would probably be a Fyfe or Dangerfield type whom most see as upgrade targets

Most likely omeara becomes a season keeper but as an m9???

Crouch and O'Meara I am intent on trading, whether that is in round 1 or 7 or 15 will be decided by their scores

Yeah, they're like 300k! If they avg 100, they make about 200k I assume? That's definitely worth starting, then require only 50-100k for a super premium. Even Libba I don't mind if I have to trade, but if he scores well enough he'll be a great M8.

Not quite.
For Libba to make 150k he needs to average 105 over 10 rounds, 156k max. If he averages 103, he never generates 150k. 
Crouch @ 105 hits +150k after 7 rounds, 196k max.
O'Meara @105 hits +150k after 6 rounds, 200k after 11, 206k max.
**Assuming no massive scores lift their rolling average etc.

So in summary, Libba is picked as a keeper, Crouch/O'Meara could be stepping stones.
*Credit: KLo30

Yeah I was only referring to Crouch and JOM, as they're both a bit cheaper than Libba, and I don't expect either to be keepers. 150k after 6-7 rounds is awesome though, and both could make 200k a bit quicker with a few big scores ;)

PLus the points on the board, rather than risking a rookie in that spot.

I think have JOM at M6 is worth it as there are more rookies in the mids than other lines.

I've found that to be the complete opposite so far this season? I'm considering JOM at m8...

[MC]

Why not start all 3? If one of them fails then downgrade/corrective trade to Mills  Hopper etc

At their prices they are musts if they line up rd1

I would rather use my corrective trades on rookies then mid priced players. If you get an LTI in round 1 that is the only time I intend to use a trade there and then round 2 is for rookies. I can't afford to be burning 4 trades considering the injury carnage of the last season. My team was f'ed by the byes because I was almost trading out an injured player each week.

The way I see it Libba, Crouch and O'Meara all carry significant risk in one way or another.

Crouch has had foot issues for the last two seasons. It wasn't just a one off, it has been recurring, he injured it last year in the NAB cup and the year before in round 1. There is a very real possibility we only get 2 or 3 games out of Crouch before he injures his foot.

Libba is coming off an ACL and has been criticized by the club for partying too much with mates and not focusing on his recovery. The other thing that saw Libba perform so well the season before his ACL was his connection with Minno. It saw him get first use and bump up his contested possession count. Even in a down season Minson to Libba was the 6th best connection in the league. If Libba gets through the NAB I am not sure if he will go 105 but he seems a safer pick then the other two.

O'Meara had a double knee surgery, has a degenerative knee condition and then tore an ACL. He's fitness base is way behind both of these guys and he has never actually averaged over 100 yet so I think everyone needs to cool it on the 105 talk. If we're being realistic the guy will probably go around 90 considering they will ease him back in. If he starts slow, which is highly probable, there is no point in starting him since it will start his cash growth.

Agree 100% - excellent post!

[RaisyDaisy]

Why not start all 3? If one of them fails then downgrade/corrective trade to Mills  Hopper etc

At their prices they are musts if they line up rd1

I would rather use my corrective trades on rookies then mid priced players. If you get an LTI in round 1 that is the only time I intend to use a trade there and then round 2 is for rookies. I can't afford to be burning 4 trades considering the injury carnage of the last season. My team was f'ed by the byes because I was almost trading out an injured player each week.

The way I see it Libba, Crouch and O'Meara all carry significant risk in one way or another.

Crouch has had foot issues for the last two seasons. It wasn't just a one off, it has been recurring, he injured it last year in the NAB cup and the year before in round 1. There is a very real possibility we only get 2 or 3 games out of Crouch before he injures his foot.

Libba is coming off an ACL and has been criticized by the club for partying too much with mates and not focusing on his recovery. The other thing that saw Libba perform so well the season before his ACL was his connection with Minno. It saw him get first use and bump up his contested possession count. Even in a down season Minson to Libba was the 6th best connection in the league. If Libba gets through the NAB I am not sure if he will go 105 but he seems a safer pick then the other two.

O'Meara had a double knee surgery, has a degenerative knee condition and then tore an ACL. He's fitness base is way behind both of these guys and he has never actually averaged over 100 yet so I think everyone needs to cool it on the 105 talk. If we're being realistic the guy will probably go around 90 considering they will ease him back in. If he starts slow, which is highly probable, there is no point in starting him since it will start his cash growth.

I think you're focusing on the risk too much here. There is plenty of upside in the reward too.

JS is rock solid and they can all score 100+ on any given week, and average anywhere from 90+ easily too

Libba and Crouch are fit and firing, having solid preseasons so they're absolute locks as far as I'm concerned

Jager I have a bit of doubt over and is not in my side at the moment until I see how he looks during NAB, but if he does line up rd1 then I think the risk is certainly worth the reward

The 3 combined cost less than 1M and could potentially give you 350+ on any given week. Compare that to something like a 600k prem and another mid pricer for the same cost and you;re not getting anywhere near the amount of points. For me it's about maximising points on field, and if one or two of them do get injured than I am happy to trade them, because the risk is worth it

I honestly believe Libba and Crouch, if they play all year will be good enough for M7 and M8 come seasons end. If not, then it will cost bugger all to upgrade them to a super prem, so in my mind I would only really be taking a risk on Jager who I would be happy to trade out once he has peaked in value, because in the meantime he gets me more points than any other rookie

Heck, if people are spending 250-300k on guys like Wells, Luey, Aish, Emac etc then surely Jager has equal or better upside at the same price

[DaveElNacho]

Heck, if people are spending 250-300k on guys like Wells, Luey, Aish, Emac etc then surely Jager has equal or better upside at the same price

I think this is key. With the amount of midfield rookies that are eligible in DEF and FWD I think all of your midpricers should be crammed into the midfield.
Still uneasy about starting 3 players coming off serious injuries. Libba is a lock but tbh I'm more worried about Crouch than JoM.

[Ricochet]

Why not start all 3? If one of them fails then downgrade/corrective trade to Mills  Hopper etc

At their prices they are musts if they line up rd1

Don't mind the idea of a corrective trade at all

My query is ... If we select all 3, I feel we select all 3 as season keepers. I think a majority would have omeara at m7 ... to become full premium we would only have 1 place for an upgrade in our midfields which would probably be a Fyfe or Dangerfield type whom most see as upgrade targets

Most likely omeara becomes a season keeper but as an m9???

Crouch and O'Meara I am intent on trading, whether that is in round 1 or 7 or 15 will be decided by their scores

Yeah, they're like 300k! If they avg 100, they make about 200k I assume? That's definitely worth starting, then require only 50-100k for a super premium. Even Libba I don't mind if I have to trade, but if he scores well enough he'll be a great M8.

Not quite.
For Libba to make 150k he needs to average 105 over 10 rounds, 156k max. If he averages 103, he never generates 150k. 
Crouch @ 105 hits +150k after 7 rounds, 196k max.
O'Meara @105 hits +150k after 6 rounds, 200k after 11, 206k max.
**Assuming no massive scores lift their rolling average etc.

So in summary, Libba is picked as a keeper, Crouch/O'Meara could be stepping stones.
*Credit: KLo30

I'd be interested to see something similar for 95averages if you have them man??

[MC]

Why not start all 3? If one of them fails then downgrade/corrective trade to Mills  Hopper etc

At their prices they are musts if they line up rd1

Don't mind the idea of a corrective trade at all

My query is ... If we select all 3, I feel we select all 3 as season keepers. I think a majority would have omeara at m7 ... to become full premium we would only have 1 place for an upgrade in our midfields which would probably be a Fyfe or Dangerfield type whom most see as upgrade targets

Most likely omeara becomes a season keeper but as an m9???

Crouch and O'Meara I am intent on trading, whether that is in round 1 or 7 or 15 will be decided by their scores

Yeah, they're like 300k! If they avg 100, they make about 200k I assume? That's definitely worth starting, then require only 50-100k for a super premium. Even Libba I don't mind if I have to trade, but if he scores well enough he'll be a great M8.

Not quite.
For Libba to make 150k he needs to average 105 over 10 rounds, 156k max. If he averages 103, he never generates 150k. 
Crouch @ 105 hits +150k after 7 rounds, 196k max.
O'Meara @105 hits +150k after 6 rounds, 200k after 11, 206k max.
**Assuming no massive scores lift their rolling average etc.

So in summary, Libba is picked as a keeper, Crouch/O'Meara could be stepping stones.
*Credit: KLo30

I'd be interested to see something similar for 95averages if you have them man??

95 i'm not sure, but:
A 300k player averaging 90 takes 9 rounds to make 130k and then evens out, peaking at 138k after 14 rounds.

In comparison, a rookie (117k) averaging 60 hits 159k in the same 9 rounds, peaking at 166k after 14. 

[Ricochet]

Why not start all 3? If one of them fails then downgrade/corrective trade to Mills  Hopper etc

At their prices they are musts if they line up rd1

Don't mind the idea of a corrective trade at all

My query is ... If we select all 3, I feel we select all 3 as season keepers. I think a majority would have omeara at m7 ... to become full premium we would only have 1 place for an upgrade in our midfields which would probably be a Fyfe or Dangerfield type whom most see as upgrade targets

Most likely omeara becomes a season keeper but as an m9???

Crouch and O'Meara I am intent on trading, whether that is in round 1 or 7 or 15 will be decided by their scores

Yeah, they're like 300k! If they avg 100, they make about 200k I assume? That's definitely worth starting, then require only 50-100k for a super premium. Even Libba I don't mind if I have to trade, but if he scores well enough he'll be a great M8.

Not quite.
For Libba to make 150k he needs to average 105 over 10 rounds, 156k max. If he averages 103, he never generates 150k. 
Crouch @ 105 hits +150k after 7 rounds, 196k max.
O'Meara @105 hits +150k after 6 rounds, 200k after 11, 206k max.
**Assuming no massive scores lift their rolling average etc.

So in summary, Libba is picked as a keeper, Crouch/O'Meara could be stepping stones.
*Credit: KLo30

I'd be interested to see something similar for 95averages if you have them man??

95 i'm not sure, but:
A 300k player averaging 90 takes 9 rounds to make 130k and then evens out, peaking at 138k after 14 rounds.

In comparison, a rookie (117k) averaging 60 hits 159k in the same 9 rounds, peaking at 166k after 14.

and a 70 ave rookie?
With the sub rule gone we could get some decent scoring rookies this year

Thanks man

[MC]

Rookie averaging 70: +165k after rd 6, and 221k after 14  (for comparison, 203k at rd9)
Rookie averaging 80: +170k after rd 5, and 269k after 14  (for comparison, 247k at rd9)