Danger trade

[TomK]

how is GHS a spud?

Because he's done nothing to prove otherwise

He's done more than that overrated hack Brodie Smith

[TomK]

I think Fagan wants to look tough.

My prediction

If Geelong offer less than $1mil per season, then the Crows will match it. If the Cat offer more than $1mil, the Crows will not do anything and 'receive' (not 'take') pick 13.

It seems the Cats aren't stressed at all, whilst the Crows seem to be in disarray. I think this indicates their respective positions in the matter. I still think it's all talk

You talk a lot of shower mate. You obviously know nothing if you think Fagan is 'all talk' and the Cats aren't going to offer more than $1mil, it's not going to happen and we are going to match. Can you also please explain how we are in 'disarray'? Everything we've said in the matter seems like we are pretty confident with the situation.

[tbagrocks]

My thinking is, this years #9 plus next years second rounder + either Murdoch or GHS

I'd love to steal Geelong's 2016 first rounder but I don't think that will happen if the #9 this year happens

I'd almost take two first rounders to be honest! Cats can give us another top ten pick next year ty ;D  Danger will drag em to 9th again! So another #9 to Adelaide!

I really don't care! But I do love draft picks especially early! So two early picks does me just fine!

[powersuperkents]

I think Fagan wants to look tough.

My prediction

If Geelong offer less than $1mil per season, then the Crows will match it. If the Cat offer more than $1mil, the Crows will not do anything and 'receive' (not 'take') pick 13.

It seems the Cats aren't stressed at all, whilst the Crows seem to be in disarray. I think this indicates their respective positions in the matter. I still think it's all talk

You talk a lot of shower mate. You obviously know nothing if you think Fagan is 'all talk' and the Cats aren't going to offer more than $1mil, it's not going to happen and we are going to match. Can you also please explain how we are in 'disarray'? Everything we've said in the matter seems like we are pretty confident with the situation.

Every news article is just the Crows whinging. It is fair enough, but they have no leverage.

If they match the offer, Carlton would just undercut the Crows in a trade for pick 1 and Danger would honestly just go to the draft.

Also, what if the Cats offer him an insurmountable one-year deal and then extend if after they have won the bidding? The Cats are yet to comment on the matter because I think it's in the bag.

Crows supporters want to believe that something will happen, but I doubt it.

I heard Jarrad Jansen wants a trade  :P

@Tbag, I think what you've said is the best case scenario for the Crows (honestly don't think it will get better than that - but I would say if they match, that is what they will get)

[TomK]

I think Fagan wants to look tough.

My prediction

If Geelong offer less than $1mil per season, then the Crows will match it. If the Cat offer more than $1mil, the Crows will not do anything and 'receive' (not 'take') pick 13.

It seems the Cats aren't stressed at all, whilst the Crows seem to be in disarray. I think this indicates their respective positions in the matter. I still think it's all talk

You talk a lot of shower mate. You obviously know nothing if you think Fagan is 'all talk' and the Cats aren't going to offer more than $1mil, it's not going to happen and we are going to match. Can you also please explain how we are in 'disarray'? Everything we've said in the matter seems like we are pretty confident with the situation.

Every news article is just the Crows whinging. It is fair enough, but they have no leverage.

If they match the offer, Carlton would just undercut the Crows in a trade for pick 1 and Danger would honestly just go to the draft.

Also, what if the Cats offer him an insurmountable one-year deal and then extend if after they have won the bidding? The Cats are yet to comment on the matter because I think it's in the bag.

Crows supporters want to believe that something will happen, but I doubt it.

Link me one article where we are 'whinging' with actual quotes?

What has this got to do with Carlton and pick 1? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with that.

You can't offer free agents one year deals, they have to be 2+. I'm assuming the Cats and Crows have a good relationship (Swap of picks last year so they could get Cockatoo and also worked out for us) so they aren't going to completely screw us over like that, it would also make them as an unattractive club to deal with. Since Danger told us in August, we have without a doubt been talking with Geelong since then, so the agreement of what is going to happen could be done.

What do you think we believe is going to happen? I'm curious because most of us think we'll match and get 2 first rounders.

[powersuperkents]

I think Fagan wants to look tough.

My prediction

If Geelong offer less than $1mil per season, then the Crows will match it. If the Cat offer more than $1mil, the Crows will not do anything and 'receive' (not 'take') pick 13.

It seems the Cats aren't stressed at all, whilst the Crows seem to be in disarray. I think this indicates their respective positions in the matter. I still think it's all talk

You talk a lot of shower mate. You obviously know nothing if you think Fagan is 'all talk' and the Cats aren't going to offer more than $1mil, it's not going to happen and we are going to match. Can you also please explain how we are in 'disarray'? Everything we've said in the matter seems like we are pretty confident with the situation.

Every news article is just the Crows whinging. It is fair enough, but they have no leverage.

If they match the offer, Carlton would just undercut the Crows in a trade for pick 1 and Danger would honestly just go to the draft.

Also, what if the Cats offer him an insurmountable one-year deal and then extend if after they have won the bidding? The Cats are yet to comment on the matter because I think it's in the bag.

Crows supporters want to believe that something will happen, but I doubt it.

Link me one article where we are 'whinging' with actual quotes?

What has this got to do with Carlton and pick 1? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with that.

You can't offer free agents one year deals, they have to be 2+. I'm assuming the Cats and Crows have a good relationship (Swap of picks last year so they could get Cockatoo and also worked out for us) so they aren't going to completely screw us over like that, it would also make them as an unattractive club to deal with. Since Danger told us in August, we have without a doubt been talking with Geelong since then, so the agreement of what is going to happen could be done.

What do you think we believe is going to happen? I'm curious because most of us think we'll match and get 2 first rounders.

Well, if the Crows match Geelong's offer & Geelong thinks the Crows request is unreasonable. Danger can refuse to sign, the contract, with the Crows (as he will because he doesn't want to be there) and elect to enter the National Draft. Now obviously, Carlton with the no. 1 pick will relish the opportunity as they can either draft Dangerfield on a draftee contract with pick 1 (however, Danger will just leave or request a trade) or trade pick 1 to Geelong for a Dangerfield type price.

If the Crows request is unreasonable (assuming they match the Geelong's offer - which they will - they can easily match $800k), Geelong will just trade pick 1 from Carlton for a lower price and Danger will then refuse to resign with the Crows and elect to enter the National Draft (as he cannot sign with another team if the Crows match their offers - he can always elect for the draft and refuse all offers).

Honestly though. I think, because Geelong are only offering $800k per year (less than Jelwood - whom Danger is around 10x better than), the Crows will easily match it. Now this is where the interesting new rules come into play.

I think the max for the Crows will be 2015's 1st & 2nd rounders + a young prospect (little experience) who requests a trade (Jansen or GHS) + 2016's 1st rounder

More likely is Tbag's suggestion = 2015's 1st rounder + GHS + 2016 2nd Rounder

I'm sorry about the whinging statements, as a Power supporter I was trying to be cheeky, but I instantly felt remorse about it.

Honestly think the Cats should give more because the Demons were willing to offer a multi-million dollar contract and it is pretty unfair if the Cats get to rebuild their team in an off-season by paying players less than market value (I don't know how they can fit Danger, Scooter, & Hendo into their salary cap - even with those veterans retiring - unless they pay them less than what other teams are willing to offer)

[TomK]

I think Fagan wants to look tough.

My prediction

If Geelong offer less than $1mil per season, then the Crows will match it. If the Cat offer more than $1mil, the Crows will not do anything and 'receive' (not 'take') pick 13.

It seems the Cats aren't stressed at all, whilst the Crows seem to be in disarray. I think this indicates their respective positions in the matter. I still think it's all talk

You talk a lot of shower mate. You obviously know nothing if you think Fagan is 'all talk' and the Cats aren't going to offer more than $1mil, it's not going to happen and we are going to match. Can you also please explain how we are in 'disarray'? Everything we've said in the matter seems like we are pretty confident with the situation.

Every news article is just the Crows whinging. It is fair enough, but they have no leverage.

If they match the offer, Carlton would just undercut the Crows in a trade for pick 1 and Danger would honestly just go to the draft.

Also, what if the Cats offer him an insurmountable one-year deal and then extend if after they have won the bidding? The Cats are yet to comment on the matter because I think it's in the bag.

Crows supporters want to believe that something will happen, but I doubt it.

Link me one article where we are 'whinging' with actual quotes?

What has this got to do with Carlton and pick 1? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with that.

You can't offer free agents one year deals, they have to be 2+. I'm assuming the Cats and Crows have a good relationship (Swap of picks last year so they could get Cockatoo and also worked out for us) so they aren't going to completely screw us over like that, it would also make them as an unattractive club to deal with. Since Danger told us in August, we have without a doubt been talking with Geelong since then, so the agreement of what is going to happen could be done.

What do you think we believe is going to happen? I'm curious because most of us think we'll match and get 2 first rounders.

Well, if the Crows match Geelong's offer & Geelong thinks the Crows request is unreasonable. Danger can refuse to sign, the contract, with the Crows (as he will because he doesn't want to be there) and elect to enter the National Draft. Now obviously, Carlton with the no. 1 pick will relish the opportunity as they can either draft Dangerfield on a draftee contract with pick 1 (however, Danger will just leave or request a trade) or trade pick 1 to Geelong for a Dangerfield type price.

If the Crows request is unreasonable (assuming they match the Geelong's offer - which they will - they can easily match $800k), Geelong will just trade pick 1 from Carlton for a lower price and Danger will then refuse to resign with the Crows and elect to enter the National Draft (as he cannot sign with another team if the Crows match their offers - he can always elect for the draft and refuse all offers).

Honestly though. I think, because Geelong are only offering $800k per year (less than Jelwood - whom Danger is around 10x better than), the Crows will easily match it. Now this is where the interesting new rules come into play.

I think the max for the Crows will be 2015's 1st & 2nd rounders + a young prospect (little experience) who requests a trade (Jansen or GHS) + 2016's 1st rounder

More likely is Tbag's suggestion = 2015's 1st rounder + GHS + 2016 2nd Rounder

I'm sorry about the whinging statements, as a Power supporter I was trying to be cheeky, but I instantly felt remorse about it.

Honestly think the Cats should give more because the Demons were willing to offer a multi-million dollar contract and it is pretty unfair if the Cats get to rebuild their team in an off-season by paying players less than market value (I don't know how they can fit Danger, Scooter, & Hendo into their salary cap - even with those veterans retiring - unless they pay them less than what other teams are willing to offer)

Ahhhh right, got what you mean now. The problem with Danger nominating the draft and Geelong trading for pick 1 is the amount the Crows might request for Danger and what Geelong would need to use would be pretty similar since I reckon it would take a lot to stop Carlton from taking him, so I reckon that would be pretty pointless. Danger also wouldn't want to leave on those terms and this would also ruin the relationship between the two clubs which I pointed out I reckon is pretty strong.

Once we match, it is Geelongs responsibility to offer a fair trade, obviously it will be unders due to him being out of contract but this is top 5 player in the comp and he wants to be there, if Geelong don't offer a fair deal, that's their problem, not ours.

If Geelong deem our request to be unreasonable, they aren't just going to give up then and look for other ways to grab him. A deal will be worked out between the two clubs, I'm extremely confident on that. We respect Danger's (and Mardi's) decision to want to be closer to family so we will do our best to get him there but now it's up to Geelong.

Also don't worry about the whinging comments mate, nothing wrong with a bit of banter! I'm sure we'll be having this same convo next year when Wingard requests a trade to the Hawks ;)

[powersuperkents]

I think Fagan wants to look tough.

My prediction

If Geelong offer less than $1mil per season, then the Crows will match it. If the Cat offer more than $1mil, the Crows will not do anything and 'receive' (not 'take') pick 13.

It seems the Cats aren't stressed at all, whilst the Crows seem to be in disarray. I think this indicates their respective positions in the matter. I still think it's all talk

You talk a lot of shower mate. You obviously know nothing if you think Fagan is 'all talk' and the Cats aren't going to offer more than $1mil, it's not going to happen and we are going to match. Can you also please explain how we are in 'disarray'? Everything we've said in the matter seems like we are pretty confident with the situation.

Every news article is just the Crows whinging. It is fair enough, but they have no leverage.

If they match the offer, Carlton would just undercut the Crows in a trade for pick 1 and Danger would honestly just go to the draft.

Also, what if the Cats offer him an insurmountable one-year deal and then extend if after they have won the bidding? The Cats are yet to comment on the matter because I think it's in the bag.

Crows supporters want to believe that something will happen, but I doubt it.

Link me one article where we are 'whinging' with actual quotes?

What has this got to do with Carlton and pick 1? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with that.

You can't offer free agents one year deals, they have to be 2+. I'm assuming the Cats and Crows have a good relationship (Swap of picks last year so they could get Cockatoo and also worked out for us) so they aren't going to completely screw us over like that, it would also make them as an unattractive club to deal with. Since Danger told us in August, we have without a doubt been talking with Geelong since then, so the agreement of what is going to happen could be done.

What do you think we believe is going to happen? I'm curious because most of us think we'll match and get 2 first rounders.

Well, if the Crows match Geelong's offer & Geelong thinks the Crows request is unreasonable. Danger can refuse to sign, the contract, with the Crows (as he will because he doesn't want to be there) and elect to enter the National Draft. Now obviously, Carlton with the no. 1 pick will relish the opportunity as they can either draft Dangerfield on a draftee contract with pick 1 (however, Danger will just leave or request a trade) or trade pick 1 to Geelong for a Dangerfield type price.

If the Crows request is unreasonable (assuming they match the Geelong's offer - which they will - they can easily match $800k), Geelong will just trade pick 1 from Carlton for a lower price and Danger will then refuse to resign with the Crows and elect to enter the National Draft (as he cannot sign with another team if the Crows match their offers - he can always elect for the draft and refuse all offers).

Honestly though. I think, because Geelong are only offering $800k per year (less than Jelwood - whom Danger is around 10x better than), the Crows will easily match it. Now this is where the interesting new rules come into play.

I think the max for the Crows will be 2015's 1st & 2nd rounders + a young prospect (little experience) who requests a trade (Jansen or GHS) + 2016's 1st rounder

More likely is Tbag's suggestion = 2015's 1st rounder + GHS + 2016 2nd Rounder

I'm sorry about the whinging statements, as a Power supporter I was trying to be cheeky, but I instantly felt remorse about it.

Honestly think the Cats should give more because the Demons were willing to offer a multi-million dollar contract and it is pretty unfair if the Cats get to rebuild their team in an off-season by paying players less than market value (I don't know how they can fit Danger, Scooter, & Hendo into their salary cap - even with those veterans retiring - unless they pay them less than what other teams are willing to offer)

Ahhhh right, got what you mean now. The problem with Danger nominating the draft and Geelong trading for pick 1 is the amount the Crows might request for Danger and what Geelong would need to use would be pretty similar since I reckon it would take a lot to stop Carlton from taking him, so I reckon that would be pretty pointless. Danger also wouldn't want to leave on those terms and this would also ruin the relationship between the two clubs which I pointed out I reckon is pretty strong.

Once we match, it is Geelongs responsibility to offer a fair trade, obviously it will be unders due to him being out of contract but this is top 5 player in the comp and he wants to be there, if Geelong don't offer a fair deal, that's their problem, not ours.

If Geelong deem our request to be unreasonable, they aren't just going to give up then and look for other ways to grab him. A deal will be worked out between the two clubs, I'm extremely confident on that. We respect Danger's (and Mardi's) decision to want to be closer to family so we will do our best to get him there but now it's up to Geelong.

Also don't worry about the whinging comments mate, nothing wrong with a bit of banter! I'm sure we'll be having this same convo next year when Wingard requests a trade to the Hawks ;)

I'm hoping he doesn't. He says he wants to stay but so does every player, basically means nothing unless he extends his contract - salary will be a problem in retaining him. I don't want a powerhouse team taking him either, Hawthorn have taken advantage of many of the weaker clubs in stealing their players (Frawley being the most recent).

Being a Power supporter it's easy to say that you enjoy seeing something bad happen to the Crows, but the more I think about, the more I want the Crows to get a fair offer.

From 2010-12 I saw my team go through complete shower until Hinkley finally came and rebuilt it (and he was only chosen because no other club wanted him and he was the only coach willing to take the job at the Power - baffles me to this day). The last thing I would want to see is our rebuilt talent leave to clubs that have faced no adversity over the last decade (even longer in the case of the Cats), esp. for less than market value.

The Crows have lost a lot of talent over the past few years and I still remember them dropping from a 2nd placed team in 2012 to not even making finals in 2013-14 just because Tippett was taken from them. Losing Dangerfield is really going to set the club back and it is not fair if Geelong don't give the Crows a decent return (esp. considering the fact that the Crows would be willing to pay Danger over 25% more per year than the Cats are).

They should be entitled to a starter, it's going to be tough - yeah the Carlton play is incredibly unlikely (I would say close to unrealistic) and would only occur if the Crows asked for 2 of their top 5-10 players as a final offer 

[TomK]

I think Fagan wants to look tough.

My prediction

If Geelong offer less than $1mil per season, then the Crows will match it. If the Cat offer more than $1mil, the Crows will not do anything and 'receive' (not 'take') pick 13.

It seems the Cats aren't stressed at all, whilst the Crows seem to be in disarray. I think this indicates their respective positions in the matter. I still think it's all talk

You talk a lot of shower mate. You obviously know nothing if you think Fagan is 'all talk' and the Cats aren't going to offer more than $1mil, it's not going to happen and we are going to match. Can you also please explain how we are in 'disarray'? Everything we've said in the matter seems like we are pretty confident with the situation.

Every news article is just the Crows whinging. It is fair enough, but they have no leverage.

If they match the offer, Carlton would just undercut the Crows in a trade for pick 1 and Danger would honestly just go to the draft.

Also, what if the Cats offer him an insurmountable one-year deal and then extend if after they have won the bidding? The Cats are yet to comment on the matter because I think it's in the bag.

Crows supporters want to believe that something will happen, but I doubt it.

Link me one article where we are 'whinging' with actual quotes?

What has this got to do with Carlton and pick 1? I honestly have no idea what you are talking about with that.

You can't offer free agents one year deals, they have to be 2+. I'm assuming the Cats and Crows have a good relationship (Swap of picks last year so they could get Cockatoo and also worked out for us) so they aren't going to completely screw us over like that, it would also make them as an unattractive club to deal with. Since Danger told us in August, we have without a doubt been talking with Geelong since then, so the agreement of what is going to happen could be done.

What do you think we believe is going to happen? I'm curious because most of us think we'll match and get 2 first rounders.

Well, if the Crows match Geelong's offer & Geelong thinks the Crows request is unreasonable. Danger can refuse to sign, the contract, with the Crows (as he will because he doesn't want to be there) and elect to enter the National Draft. Now obviously, Carlton with the no. 1 pick will relish the opportunity as they can either draft Dangerfield on a draftee contract with pick 1 (however, Danger will just leave or request a trade) or trade pick 1 to Geelong for a Dangerfield type price.

If the Crows request is unreasonable (assuming they match the Geelong's offer - which they will - they can easily match $800k), Geelong will just trade pick 1 from Carlton for a lower price and Danger will then refuse to resign with the Crows and elect to enter the National Draft (as he cannot sign with another team if the Crows match their offers - he can always elect for the draft and refuse all offers).

Honestly though. I think, because Geelong are only offering $800k per year (less than Jelwood - whom Danger is around 10x better than), the Crows will easily match it. Now this is where the interesting new rules come into play.

I think the max for the Crows will be 2015's 1st & 2nd rounders + a young prospect (little experience) who requests a trade (Jansen or GHS) + 2016's 1st rounder

More likely is Tbag's suggestion = 2015's 1st rounder + GHS + 2016 2nd Rounder

I'm sorry about the whinging statements, as a Power supporter I was trying to be cheeky, but I instantly felt remorse about it.

Honestly think the Cats should give more because the Demons were willing to offer a multi-million dollar contract and it is pretty unfair if the Cats get to rebuild their team in an off-season by paying players less than market value (I don't know how they can fit Danger, Scooter, & Hendo into their salary cap - even with those veterans retiring - unless they pay them less than what other teams are willing to offer)

Ahhhh right, got what you mean now. The problem with Danger nominating the draft and Geelong trading for pick 1 is the amount the Crows might request for Danger and what Geelong would need to use would be pretty similar since I reckon it would take a lot to stop Carlton from taking him, so I reckon that would be pretty pointless. Danger also wouldn't want to leave on those terms and this would also ruin the relationship between the two clubs which I pointed out I reckon is pretty strong.

Once we match, it is Geelongs responsibility to offer a fair trade, obviously it will be unders due to him being out of contract but this is top 5 player in the comp and he wants to be there, if Geelong don't offer a fair deal, that's their problem, not ours.

If Geelong deem our request to be unreasonable, they aren't just going to give up then and look for other ways to grab him. A deal will be worked out between the two clubs, I'm extremely confident on that. We respect Danger's (and Mardi's) decision to want to be closer to family so we will do our best to get him there but now it's up to Geelong.

Also don't worry about the whinging comments mate, nothing wrong with a bit of banter! I'm sure we'll be having this same convo next year when Wingard requests a trade to the Hawks ;)

I'm hoping he doesn't. He says he wants to stay but so does every player, basically means nothing unless he extends his contract - salary will be a problem in retaining him. I don't want a powerhouse team taking him either, Hawthorn have taken advantage of many of the weaker clubs in stealing their players (Frawley being the most recent).

Being a Power supporter it's easy to say that you enjoy seeing something bad happen to the Crows, but the more I think about, the more I want the Crows to get a fair offer.

From 2010-12 I saw my team go through complete shower until Hinkley finally came and rebuilt it (and he was only chosen because no other club wanted him and he was the only coach willing to take the job at the Power - baffles me to this day). The last thing I would want to see is our rebuilt talent leave to clubs that have faced no adversity over the last decade (even longer in the case of the Cats), esp. for less than market value.

The Crows have lost a lot of talent over the past few years and I still remember them dropping from a 2nd placed team in 2012 to not even making finals in 2013-14 just because Tippett was taken from them. Losing Dangerfield is really going to set the club back and it is not fair if Geelong don't give the Crows a decent return (esp. considering the fact that the Crows would be willing to pay Danger over 25% more per year than the Cats are).

They should be entitled to a starter, it's going to be tough - yeah the Carlton play is incredibly unlikely (I would say close to unrealistic) and would only occur if the Crows asked for 2 of their top 5-10 players as a final offer 

Yeah I don't think Chad will leave, just having a laugh. I don't see why he would as well, unless he is chasing money, not hard to see you're on the verge on success. Reckon this was the year you needed as a wake up call perhaps but you also showed you can match it with the best (beating Hawks twice).

[TomK]

Accurate situation down at Geelong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=239&v=XYjoyo8RTrQ