EXV: 2015 / 2016 Offseason Central

[Holz]

Trades are over and with the Bashers posting their delistings the rookie will start soon.

[nostradamus]

Hey Holz, just out of curiosity when we know the order for selecting top up players (for the affected EXV coaches)?

I know that particular draft wont happen for ages, but figure the order will be pretty much set already.

[LaHug]

Trade announcement:

Iceland and Belarus have been at the trade table.

Iceland give: H. Bennell + L. Picken + J. Grant + R38  FOR  A. Francis + B. Lennon + A. Fasolo + R4  from Belarus.

Belarus expanding its Mids post positional announcements. The loss of young Francis and Lennon can be covered in the existing structure. R 4 a hit as is Fasolo who can be anything, but settling the midfield pre draft is a good thing.

HP to confirm.

Confirmed.

Basically trading out Harley who's a jet and top 15 (top 10 after DPP changes possibly) and Picken who just went 100 for some youth to cover my aging positional players. Harley is a huge loss and Picken leaves my mids pretty weak but I can survive this season landing some nice youths in Francis and Lennon for the future. Fasolo also a handy young forward that I could use as depth going forward as have Roo, Westy, Pav and Waite in there. Backs a similar story, and wanted to get some youths in I liked with potential. But at the expense of points which may hurt my finals push as basically went out two starters for depth.

rejected, feel the upside of what Iceland is getting is not greater then what he is giving. Harley is probably worth francis lennon alone and a 100+ mid has way too mcuh value even for rook 4

Are we allowed to argue with rejections? I'm only just back from overseas (too tired to think right now) but don't know if T Dog saw this. I would've thought we'd have tried to do something else in that time had we had the chance.

Anyway, I think Harley moving to Freo hurts his scoring as he won't be the dominant ball winner he was when his only talented midfield team mate was GAJ (who was frequently injured/out in the past two seasons). Picken being mid only this season reduces his value too (particularly having only just broken out at 29 years of age so unlikely to improve).

I think a 23 year old Fasolo who has averaged 80+ before and is a forward cancels out with 29 year old Picken who is mid only and just cracked 100 for the first time. Meanwhile, a potentially lower-scoring mid only Bennell who was already averaging just 82 isn't miles ahead of a 20 year old Lennon + R4 with Francis, Grant, and R38 hardly pushing it to unfair in either direction.

tl;dr - I think you rejection is a bit too much based on gut feeling, rather than research, and don't think it should be followed through given both trade parties were happy with their own research.

(Aside: This is me sticking up for both HP and my assistant. I don't know enough about anything right now to know if this trade is actually something I should be fighting to save.)

[Holz]

You are definitely allowed to discuss any trade rullings both if you think it should have passed and didnt and vice versa.

can definitely say though that I did my research which is what i do on all questionable trades.

Harley Bennell: A star of the competition talent wise there is a risk of him losing dpp but if he does then he should be a very decent midfielder. Can definatlery go big if in the midfield with 3 of his 15 games last year 124+ he has that big ceiling which is a very good sign that a player can average big he is reducing his floor so thats exactly what you want to see.

I think saying Ablett was his only talented midfield team mate is a stretch given they do have Prestia, Omeara, Swallow in that team. they did have injuries this year yes but Bennell did score well last year he just had too many low games. IN the 7 games presita played Bennell went 85+ in 4 of them including a 130 and 108 and a low of 70.

The thing that has hurt bennell is actually more the tag then anything else. Bennell is a ball winner but last year 14 of his 23 disposals were uncontested which indicates he is more of a reciever then a ball winner. Having Fyfe as a dominant ball winner being largely contested and also atracting a tag should be very helpfull. Mundy as well is 50/50 in his disposals and will also pull a tag at time. Stephen Hill is an uncontested player who will pick up another potential tag as he is arguably more damaging then Bennell he just cant pick up the ball as easy. The analysis of how the freo mids pick up their disposals should actually provide room to improve for bennell. Another factor is often kicking a few goals is what turns a good game into a great game for him and in freo a better team with no key forward present should give him an oppurtunity to snag a few goals even in a low scoring team.

based on that analysis i think a 90+ forward is certainly possible and I think they need him up front in some games due to their forward strucutre even with their small forwards. If not and he plays pure mid he looks to have the ball winning capacity to go 100+. The major risk would be if they played him on a wing which makes little sense given they have hill, no forwards to kick it too and need his presence in the mid or forward line.

Fasolo averaged 72 this year he did have a red vest however that was because he did nothing in the half he played with just 12 DT points. even removing that game (which you shouldnt he only went 75.5. He is in the 22 but i would say a lock to stay there even though its his to lose. has too many very average games going 50-70 and very rarely has a big game so as a 75 at best forward shouldnt really have too much value.

The rest I will type later as this is rushed.

very keen to hear your thoughts. I might be wrong but i certainly do my research.



   

[JBs-Hawks]

I thought the trade was alright!

[Scrads]

I gather the rookie will be starting soon?

[Holz]

I gather the rookie will be starting soon?

yep, as soon as i fix it all up.

[LaHug]

You are definitely allowed to discuss any trade rullings both if you think it should have passed and didnt and vice versa.

can definitely say though that I did my research which is what i do on all questionable trades.

Harley Bennell: A star of the competition talent wise there is a risk of him losing dpp but if he does then he should be a very decent midfielder. Can definatlery go big if in the midfield with 3 of his 15 games last year 124+ he has that big ceiling which is a very good sign that a player can average big he is reducing his floor so thats exactly what you want to see.

I think saying Ablett was his only talented midfield team mate is a stretch given they do have Prestia, Omeara, Swallow in that team. they did have injuries this year yes but Bennell did score well last year he just had too many low games. IN the 7 games presita played Bennell went 85+ in 4 of them including a 130 and 108 and a low of 70.

The thing that has hurt bennell is actually more the tag then anything else. Bennell is a ball winner but last year 14 of his 23 disposals were uncontested which indicates he is more of a reciever then a ball winner. Having Fyfe as a dominant ball winner being largely contested and also atracting a tag should be very helpfull. Mundy as well is 50/50 in his disposals and will also pull a tag at time. Stephen Hill is an uncontested player who will pick up another potential tag as he is arguably more damaging then Bennell he just cant pick up the ball as easy. The analysis of how the freo mids pick up their disposals should actually provide room to improve for bennell. Another factor is often kicking a few goals is what turns a good game into a great game for him and in freo a better team with no key forward present should give him an oppurtunity to snag a few goals even in a low scoring team.

based on that analysis i think a 90+ forward is certainly possible and I think they need him up front in some games due to their forward strucutre even with their small forwards. If not and he plays pure mid he looks to have the ball winning capacity to go 100+. The major risk would be if they played him on a wing which makes little sense given they have hill, no forwards to kick it too and need his presence in the mid or forward line.

Fasolo averaged 72 this year he did have a red vest however that was because he did nothing in the half he played with just 12 DT points. even removing that game (which you shouldnt he only went 75.5. He is in the 22 but i would say a lock to stay there even though its his to lose. has too many very average games going 50-70 and very rarely has a big game so as a 75 at best forward shouldnt really have too much value.

The rest I will type later as this is rushed.

very keen to hear your thoughts. I might be wrong but i certainly do my research.



   

Fair enough. Your research is surely better than my not-so-researched opinion. I guess I was just excited that T Dog had pushed through a nice trade in my absence. I guess it's too late now anyway but yeah. It'd be nice to have some sort of opinion poll/voting from other coaches for controversial trades but I get that it's more trouble than it's worth in most cases.

All good :)

[Hellopplz]

Trade Announcement

Russian Roulettes  give Tom Lamb + R48 + R62

Spanish Stallions  give Michael Johnson + R14

With Hodge losing Def status and Griffen missing out on gaining it too meant we were light on in the backline. We lose a quality young forward in Lamb, but the exchange of picks balances it out nicely

Spinking to confirm

Sorry to see this late, but looked it up for the post in the other thread. This trade unfortunately cannot go through, as the Stallions traded R14 in the first trade period. So Wolves have R14, not the Stallions. Below was the trade involving it.

Wolves give: Peter Wright + Rookie 8
Stallions give: Dale Thomas + Rookie 14

[Atto]

Swedish Metal - Atto

Def: A.Neal Buleen (Melb), M.Broadbent (Port), T Varcoe(Coll), T Cutler(Bris), D McKenzie(StK)(Mid), D Howe(Hawk), D Buckley(Carl), M.Hibberd (North)

Mid: S Thompson(Adel), James Aish (Bris), S Hill(Freo),  B Hill(Hawk), P Cripps(Carl), M Shaw(GC), M Gleeson(Ess), M Whiley(Carl), N VanBerlo(Adel), H Cunningham(Fwd)(Syd), D Myers(Ess), C Smith (Carl), T.Dumont (Nth), J.Hopper (GWS), J.Wagner (North), A.Johnson (Port)

Ruck: Will Minson(WB), M Blicavs(Geel)(Mid), M Flynn (GWS)

Fwd: A. Hall (GC), Jeremy Cameron (GWS), J Riewoldt(Rich), S Reid(Syd), A Sexton(GC),  L  Herbert(GC), C Ah Chee (GC), M.Rednman (Ess), M.Admas (F/D WBD, B.Crocker (Coll)

Aish (with MID), Gleeson, NVB (with MID), Clem Smith (with DEF) are all defenders, Cunningham a forward (with MID), McKenzie is a MID only. I'm counting Adams as a DEF (but is a DEF/FWD). I think I wanted to delist Herbert as he was delisted by GC (from memory) but I'll check that and reply. Besides that, it's good though.

[Holz]

Swedish Metal - Atto

Def: A.Neal Buleen (Melb), M.Broadbent (Port), T Varcoe(Coll), T Cutler(Bris), D McKenzie(StK)(Mid), D Howe(Hawk), D Buckley(Carl), M.Hibberd (North)

Mid: S Thompson(Adel), James Aish (Bris), S Hill(Freo),  B Hill(Hawk), P Cripps(Carl), M Shaw(GC), M Gleeson(Ess), M Whiley(Carl), N VanBerlo(Adel), H Cunningham(Fwd)(Syd), D Myers(Ess), C Smith (Carl), T.Dumont (Nth), J.Hopper (GWS), J.Wagner (North), A.Johnson (Port)

Ruck: Will Minson(WB), M Blicavs(Geel)(Mid), M Flynn (GWS)

Fwd: A. Hall (GC), Jeremy Cameron (GWS), J Riewoldt(Rich), S Reid(Syd), A Sexton(GC),  L  Herbert(GC), C Ah Chee (GC), M.Rednman (Ess), M.Admas (F/D WBD, B.Crocker (Coll)

Aish (with MID), Gleeson, NVB (with MID), Clem Smith (with DEF) are all defenders, Cunningham a forward (with MID), McKenzie is a MID only. I'm counting Adams as a DEF (but is a DEF/FWD). I think I wanted to delist Herbert as he was delisted by GC (from memory) but I'll check that and reply. Besides that, it's good though.

thanks will do all the position stuff later on but I have got rid of herbert and given you an extra rookie pick.

[Scrads]

Trade Announcement

Russian Roulettes  give Tom Lamb + R48 + R62

Spanish Stallions  give Michael Johnson + R14

With Hodge losing Def status and Griffen missing out on gaining it too meant we were light on in the backline. We lose a quality young forward in Lamb, but the exchange of picks balances it out nicely

Spinking to confirm

Sorry to see this late, but looked it up for the post in the other thread. This trade unfortunately cannot go through, as the Stallions traded R14 in the first trade period. So Wolves have R14, not the Stallions. Below was the trade involving it.

Wolves give: Peter Wright + Rookie 8
Stallions give: Dale Thomas + Rookie 14

I think the picks here are the wrong way around, I had rookie 14 initially and traded it for rookie 8.

[Holz]

Trade Announcement

Russian Roulettes  give Tom Lamb + R48 + R62

Spanish Stallions  give Michael Johnson + R14

With Hodge losing Def status and Griffen missing out on gaining it too meant we were light on in the backline. We lose a quality young forward in Lamb, but the exchange of picks balances it out nicely

Spinking to confirm

Sorry to see this late, but looked it up for the post in the other thread. This trade unfortunately cannot go through, as the Stallions traded R14 in the first trade period. So Wolves have R14, not the Stallions. Below was the trade involving it.

Wolves give: Peter Wright + Rookie 8
Stallions give: Dale Thomas + Rookie 14

I think the picks here are the wrong way around, I had rookie 14 initially and traded it for rookie 8.

yep that caused all the confusion. fixed it up you have 8 now and stallions traded 14 to Russia.

[Hellopplz]

All good! Didn't realise the rookie order beforehand so just went off what was posted :-[.

[LF]

Croatia Crushers Rookie list

Will Snelling
Josh Schoenfeld
Shane Yarran
Ben Newton
Harley Balic