Richmond Offseason/Preseason Megathread 2015/2016

[Nige]

I'm staggered by the fact Dustin knew how to use a chopstick :o

To be fair, threatening to stab someone with them doesn't necessarily mean he can eat with them haha

Maybe that's why he was angry? ???

Either that or they'd run out of lemon chicken

I'd probably threaten to stab someone with a chopstick too if the Asian restaurant I was at didn't have prawn crackers or sweet and sour pork.

[Gigantor]

[quinny88]

^ that is gold  ;D

[Bill Manspeaker]

I appreciate the comedy and know it's not meant in a bad taste or anything bad, but whenever I see a "putoutyour" t makes me think of Phil Hughes and like, sorta taking away the effect of the #putoutyourbats

I'm not trying to be a douche it's just the way I feel. like I said I know it's not meant in bad taste, just a bit of fun

[RiOtChEsS]

thoughts on the potential punishment?

[quinny88]

thoughts on the potential punishment?

Which one? If it's 12 months that's a joke. I'm bias but I wouldn't have him missing any footy. A hefty fine and community service in some sort of violence against women role would be enough. At the end of the day he didn't assault anyone. He had a verbal altercation and made an empty threat. If he had of threatened to punch her or threatened her wth a knife I would take it more seriously but when it was with chopsticks it's pretty clear he was being a dunk smart ass. Shouldn't have done it but it's not worth the hanging a lot of people seem to think it is

[Nige]

thoughts on the potential punishment?

Which one? If it's 12 months that's a joke. I'm bias but I wouldn't have him missing any footy. A hefty fine and community service in some sort of violence against women role would be enough. At the end of the day he didn't assault anyone. He had a verbal altercation and made an empty threat. If he had of threatened to punch her or threatened her wth a knife I would take it more seriously but when it was with chopsticks it's pretty clear he was being a dunk smart ass. Shouldn't have done it but it's not worth the hanging a lot of people seem to think it is

[Holz]

thoughts on the potential punishment?

nothing from the AFL.

leave it up to the courts if they want to do anything.

Drink Driving is far more serious as that could kill a person.

I reckon if he threatened a man it wouldn't have been big news.

[quinny88]

thoughts on the potential punishment?

nothing from the AFL.

leave it up to the courts if they want to do anything.

Drink Driving is far more serious as that could kill a person.

I reckon if he threatened a man it wouldn't have been big news.

The lady isn't pressing charges and accepted his apology. Even Richmond said it was "a hiccup" but because of the media backlash Richmond have been forced to take it more seriously and are going to have to be seen to be doing something now so wouldn't be surprised if he misses some footy which just punishes the team and the members more than Dusty

[frenzy]

Yep, Richmond said it's a hiccup. go figure.

http://www.sen.com.au/news/12-15/brendon-gale-this-is-a-very-serious-matter#21Cd0cZHeoD2jxbQ.97

[Ziplock]

He would have copped some flack if it had been a man and probably slapped with a fine.

This article I think summaries everything pretty well

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victims-account-will-shape-richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martins-punishment-20151208-glipay.html

the lady's account makes it seem pretty bad. With the leagues stance on violence against women, I wouldn't be surprised if they made some sort of example out of him, and I wouldn't even disagree with that- it's part of society that should be stamped the flower out, and when you have high profile role models doing stuff like this they should be harshly punished. Richmond imo should ban him from NAB and the first 5-6 weeks of the season, with community service and a fine... hopefully it means there wouldn't be a massive reaction from the AFL... richmond's opening draw isn't too harsh anyway.

I know we're saying 12 months would be ridiculous, but it's not something I would be overly surprised about if they AFL really wanted to send a message. Dustin's 6 ft 2 and weighs over 90kg... someone that size physically intimidating a woman is not appropriate.

Ftr, about Brian Lake

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/star-hawthorn-recruit-brian-lake-issed-infringement-notice-after-drinking-heavily-in-sorrento/story-fnelctok-1226552981484


Him and his wife were having an argument, and they were BOTH fined and BOTH arrested for public drunkenness (had nothing to do with domestic violence or violence against women).

thoughts on the potential punishment?

nothing from the AFL.

leave it up to the courts if they want to do anything.

Drink Driving is far more serious as that could kill a person.

I reckon if he threatened a man it wouldn't have been big news.

there were a bit over 200 alcohol related deaths in australia last year
https://bitre.gov.au/publications/ongoing/road_deaths_australia_monthly_bulletins.aspx
http://www.ors.wa.gov.au/Topics/Drink-Driving
(albeit, I've extrapolated the percentage  of alcohol fatalities from just WA data)
12.4 million people tested for drink driving, 111000 charged with drink driving
http://www.britzinoz.com/drink-driving-statistics-in-australia
so 0.18% of drink drivers cause a fatal accident (200/11000)

from domestic violence, one women is killed every week by their partner (so around 50)
there were 27 000 domestic violence cases in australia last year
http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/the-numbers-that-will-shock-you-to-tears/news-story/8250b450739d9149a087a5d167599ecd
about 30% of these cases are male
http://www.oneinthree.com.au/overview/
So that means about 18900 cases of domestic violence against women, of which there's 50 deaths from violence from partners (0.3%)

while not every domestic violence case is reported (which would decrease that %), the number of people not caught drink driving would (I would assume), be much more. Also, the domestic violence stats are actually lower, since those deaths are those at the hand of partners, and wouldn't include parents, siblings etc.

point is, they're actually comparable fatality rates.

[quinny88]

Yep, Richmond said it's a hiccup. go figure.

http://www.sen.com.au/news/12-15/brendon-gale-this-is-a-very-serious-matter#21Cd0cZHeoD2jxbQ.97

Like I said.. This was after the media backlash when they were forced to take it more seriously. At first Richmond said it was a hiccup

[quinny88]

He would have copped some flack if it had been a man and probably slapped with a fine.

This article I think summaries everything pretty well

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victims-account-will-shape-richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martins-punishment-20151208-glipay.html

the lady's account makes it seem pretty bad. With the leagues stance on violence against women, I wouldn't be surprised if they made some sort of example out of him, and I wouldn't even disagree with that- it's part of society that should be stamped the flower out, and when you have high profile role models doing stuff like this they should be harshly punished. Richmond imo should ban him from NAB and the first 5-6 weeks of the season, with community service and a fine... hopefully it means there wouldn't be a massive reaction from the AFL... richmond's opening draw isn't too harsh anyway.

I know we're saying 12 months would be ridiculous, but it's not something I would be overly surprised about if they AFL really wanted to send a message. Dustin's 6 ft 2 and weighs over 90kg... someone that size physically intimidating a woman is not appropriate.

Ftr, about Brian Lake

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/star-hawthorn-recruit-brian-lake-issed-infringement-notice-after-drinking-heavily-in-sorrento/story-fnelctok-1226552981484


Him and his wife were having an argument, and they were BOTH fined and BOTH arrested for public drunkenness (had nothing to do with domestic violence or violence against women).

Neither did this.. He didn't lay a hand on her

[Ziplock]

He would have copped some flack if it had been a man and probably slapped with a fine.

This article I think summaries everything pretty well

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victims-account-will-shape-richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martins-punishment-20151208-glipay.html

the lady's account makes it seem pretty bad. With the leagues stance on violence against women, I wouldn't be surprised if they made some sort of example out of him, and I wouldn't even disagree with that- it's part of society that should be stamped the flower out, and when you have high profile role models doing stuff like this they should be harshly punished. Richmond imo should ban him from NAB and the first 5-6 weeks of the season, with community service and a fine... hopefully it means there wouldn't be a massive reaction from the AFL... richmond's opening draw isn't too harsh anyway.

I know we're saying 12 months would be ridiculous, but it's not something I would be overly surprised about if they AFL really wanted to send a message. Dustin's 6 ft 2 and weighs over 90kg... someone that size physically intimidating a woman is not appropriate.

Ftr, about Brian Lake

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/star-hawthorn-recruit-brian-lake-issed-infringement-notice-after-drinking-heavily-in-sorrento/story-fnelctok-1226552981484


Him and his wife were having an argument, and they were BOTH fined and BOTH arrested for public drunkenness (had nothing to do with domestic violence or violence against women).

Neither did this.. He didn't lay a hand on her

Threatening a woman and physically cornering her still falls under the category of violence against women

http://www.endvawnow.org/en/articles/295-defining-violence-against-women-and-girls.html

he United Nations defines violence against women as “any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or psychological harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivation of liberty, whether occurring in public or in private life” (General Assembly Resolution 48/104 Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women, 1993).

It's an extremely archaic, out of date and close minded view the be like 'all gee mate, he didn't touch her.'

What he did, drunkenly or not, demonstrates an attitude that should be strongly discouraged.

[quinny88]

He would have copped some flack if it had been a man and probably slapped with a fine.

This article I think summaries everything pretty well

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-news/victims-account-will-shape-richmond-tigers-star-dustin-martins-punishment-20151208-glipay.html

the lady's account makes it seem pretty bad. With the leagues stance on violence against women, I wouldn't be surprised if they made some sort of example out of him, and I wouldn't even disagree with that- it's part of society that should be stamped the flower out, and when you have high profile role models doing stuff like this they should be harshly punished. Richmond imo should ban him from NAB and the first 5-6 weeks of the season, with community service and a fine... hopefully it means there wouldn't be a massive reaction from the AFL... richmond's opening draw isn't too harsh anyway.

I know we're saying 12 months would be ridiculous, but it's not something I would be overly surprised about if they AFL really wanted to send a message. Dustin's 6 ft 2 and weighs over 90kg... someone that size physically intimidating a woman is not appropriate.

Ftr, about Brian Lake

http://www.news.com.au/sport/afl/star-hawthorn-recruit-brian-lake-issed-infringement-notice-after-drinking-heavily-in-sorrento/story-fnelctok-1226552981484


Him and his wife were having an argument, and they were BOTH fined and BOTH arrested for public drunkenness (had nothing to do with domestic violence or violence against women).

Neither did this.. He didn't lay a hand on her

Threatening a woman and physically cornering her still falls under the category of violence against women

http://www.endvawnow.org/en/articles/295-defining-violence-against-women-and-girls.html

he United Nations defines violence against women as “any act of gender-based violence that results in, or is likely to result in, physical, sexual or psychological harm or suffering to women, including threats of such acts, coercion or arbitrary deprivation of liberty, whether occurring in public or in private life” (General Assembly Resolution 48/104 Declaration on the Elimination of Violence against Women, 1993).

It's an extremely archaic, out of date and close minded view the be like 'all gee mate, he didn't touch her.'

What he did, drunkenly or not, demonstrates an attitude that should be strongly discouraged.

I'm not saying it shouldn't be discouraged. It was stupid and he deserves to be punished as a result but painting it with the same brush as domestic violence or violence against women is an exaggeration. The lady has not pressed charges and accepted his apology, don't think that would be the case if he had of belted her. What he did was stupid, not violent