Matthew Lobbe

[Gigantor]

A 95 avg from Berger is good enough for F5/F6 in a complete side (ruck coverage as well)
A 95 from Lobbe isn't good enough for R2

This.

Im still not sure if the joke was being sarcastic or not

95 from lobbe is more then good enough for a R2. Obviously 95 as a F/R is better. but lobbe is much much better then burger. even taking out the injury factor.

Since when is a 95 avg good enough for R2?  :o if you don't have 2 guys averaging 105+ you're behind the 8 ball.

Lobbe will need to be upgraded at some point which burns a trade.
Leuy probably will as well but IF they average 95 each then Leuy is a keeper and more valuable with DPP than Lobbe.

P.s Lobbe isn't a better player than Berger. When Berger isn't injured and plays as sole ruck he's one of the best ruckman in the comp

Why can't a 95 average be enough for R2? Put the money somewhere else and have a 100 averaging M7/8 instead of an 80 average.

As a guy who had a decent year last year (rank 550 odd) I had Jacobs and Nicnat.  Trust me when I say, a 95 avg will have you behind the eight ball as an R2.  If it's just to start the year then okay but you need to upgrade. I was watching Goldy get 120 avg.  I was basically giving away 20 odd points to opposition every week. (and nicnat and jacobs averaged more than 95!)

Nothing wrong with having a weaker Premium as a keeper if it allows you to really strengthen other lines. I think people try too hard to get the perfect team and burn trades to the detriment of their overall score

I had Cripps at M8 all year which most people would consider a disaster. It allowed me to have a near perfect fwd line and a very strong back line, I finished 407 overall so I would say it worked fairly well for me.

Having a 95 ave R2 would be fine as long as you had the highest scoring ruck as R1, Especially if you payed less than 400k

[Holz]

A 95 avg from Berger is good enough for F5/F6 in a complete side (ruck coverage as well)
A 95 from Lobbe isn't good enough for R2

This.

Im still not sure if the joke was being sarcastic or not

95 from lobbe is more then good enough for a R2. Obviously 95 as a F/R is better. but lobbe is much much better then burger. even taking out the injury factor.

Since when is a 95 avg good enough for R2?  :o if you don't have 2 guys averaging 105+ you're behind the 8 ball.

Lobbe will need to be upgraded at some point which burns a trade.
Leuy probably will as well but IF they average 95 each then Leuy is a keeper and more valuable with DPP than Lobbe.

P.s Lobbe isn't a better player than Berger. When Berger isn't injured and plays as sole ruck he's one of the best ruckman in the comp

Why can't a 95 average be enough for R2? Put the money somewhere else and have a 100 averaging M7/8 instead of an 80 average.

As a guy who had a decent year last year (rank 550 odd) I had Jacobs and Nicnat.  Trust me when I say, a 95 avg will have you behind the eight ball as an R2.  If it's just to start the year then okay but you need to upgrade. I was watching Goldy get 120 avg.  I was basically giving away 20 odd points to opposition every week. (and nicnat and jacobs averaged more than 95!)

thats more a problem of no goldy not of a 95 ruck.

for example Goldy Lobbe would beat NN Jacobs for less money.

[quinny88]

This is all of course assuming Lobbe can average 95. His numbers last year were pretty poor even when Ryder didn't play for someone that was averaging over 40 hitouts. Ruck rules may not suit him

[ben_020285]

This is all based on assumptions.

If you assume that Goldy will average 120+ then start with him.

If you assume that Goldy will average less than 120 and Lobbe will average 95+ then start with Lobbe and trade him for Goldy later.

If you don't assume that Lobbe will average 95+ then go set and forget rucks.

If you assume Leuey will average 90+ and you're not worried about his constant injury issues then start with him.

[PICCOLLO]

A 95 avg from Berger is good enough for F5/F6 in a complete side (ruck coverage as well)
A 95 from Lobbe isn't good enough for R2

This.

Im still not sure if the joke was being sarcastic or not

95 from lobbe is more then good enough for a R2. Obviously 95 as a F/R is better. but lobbe is much much better then burger. even taking out the injury factor.

Since when is a 95 avg good enough for R2?  :o if you don't have 2 guys averaging 105+ you're behind the 8 ball.

Lobbe will need to be upgraded at some point which burns a trade.
Leuy probably will as well but IF they average 95 each then Leuy is a keeper and more valuable with DPP than Lobbe.

P.s Lobbe isn't a better player than Berger. When Berger isn't injured and plays as sole ruck he's one of the best ruckman in the comp

Why can't a 95 average be enough for R2? Put the money somewhere else and have a 100 averaging M7/8 instead of an 80 average.

As a guy who had a decent year last year (rank 550 odd) I had Jacobs and Nicnat.  Trust me when I say, a 95 avg will have you behind the eight ball as an R2.  If it's just to start the year then okay but you need to upgrade. I was watching Goldy get 120 avg.  I was basically giving away 20 odd points to opposition every week. (and nicnat and jacobs averaged more than 95!)

I don't dispute that you would be giving away a few points in the Ruck but you would be in front in other areas.
You could be gaining 21 points over your opponents with a stronger forward line from the change you have freed up.

As a starting team it's no problem. I'm talking about as the year goes on.  If there's 2-3 rucks that avg 110ish+ (and there could be) then a 95 avg ruck all year might leave you wanting.  Lobbe as a stepping stone is valid.  An average of 95 or less puts him in an awkward keep/not keep zone. 

[fanTCfool]

Okay so 20 points between a 95 and 105 average gives you 460 extra points over 23 rounds.

Is that really worth it for $200,000?

Even if you use Lobbe as a stepping stone, let's say he averages 95, he should/could reach a price of about $514,000 (based on Ivan Maric price, averaging 95.4) which is an additional $125,000, making it $325,000 worth of value, for those 460 points, which wouldn't be 460 points if you upgrade to one of the top rucks at some stage.

If you upgrade at say, Round 16, that is only 320 extra points lost for $325,000 gained.

[Ricochet]

Okay so 20 points between a 95 and 105 average gives you 460 extra points over 23 rounds.
Is that really worth it for $200,000?
Even if you use Lobbe as a stepping stone, let's say he averages 95, he should/could reach a price of about $514,000 (based on Ivan Maric price, averaging 95.4) which is an additional $125,000, making it $325,000 worth of value, for those 460 points, which wouldn't be 460 points if you upgrade to one of the top rucks at some stage.

At what point in the season though?

Blicavs is probably the best one from this year to compare to Lobbe



He started at a similar price, but averaged 100 early on

Now look at his price changes. It starts drying up pretty quickly, and doesn't make 120k until after round 7.
Compare that to a basement rookie that can make 120k by round 4

And that's if he averages 100. If he goes at 95, he's not going to be a great stepping stone at all

Also, I can guarantee that 90% of people will not trade out a 95-100ave ruck at round 7, you'll be looking at rookies first.



Next to consider is the effect of changes in scoring.

Have a look at established proven scorers and compare to their averages last year

Jacobs -7
Mummy -8
Maric -4
Ryder - 16
McEvoy -5

Only the elite tap ruckman maintained or improved (NicNat, Goldy, Sandi, etc)

So if you're predicting 95-100 based on his previous scoring, i would suggest knocking off 5 from there



I had Lobbe in my side for a while, but he's definitely not in there now.

[fanTCfool]

Okay so 20 points between a 95 and 105 average gives you 460 extra points over 23 rounds.
Is that really worth it for $200,000?
Even if you use Lobbe as a stepping stone, let's say he averages 95, he should/could reach a price of about $514,000 (based on Ivan Maric price, averaging 95.4) which is an additional $125,000, making it $325,000 worth of value, for those 460 points, which wouldn't be 460 points if you upgrade to one of the top rucks at some stage.

At what point in the season though?

Blicavs is probably the best one from this year to compare to Lobbe



He started at a similar price, but averaged 100 early on

Now look at his price changes. It starts drying up pretty quickly, and doesn't make 120k until round 7.

And that's if he averages 100. If he goes at 95, he's not going to be a great stepping stone at all

Also, I can guarantee that 90% of people will not trade out a 95-100ave ruck at round 7, you'll be looking at rookies first.



Next to consider is the effect of changes in scoring.

Have a look at established proven scorers and compare to their averages last year

Jacobs -7
Mummy -8
Maric -4
Ryder - 16
McEvoy -5

Only the elite tap ruckman maintained or improved (NicNat, Goldy, Sandi, etc)

So if you're predicting 95-100 based on his previous scoring, i would suggest knocking off 5 from there



I had Lobbe in my side for a while, but he's definitely not in there now.

Ryder & McEvoy moved to a new club, so I couldn't consider them evidence here.
Sauce had a few poor games, mainly around the time of his coach's passing if I recall correctly, so hopefully that won't happen again.
Mummy was injured again, no surprise, and only played half the year, meaning that the lower scores impacted his score more heavily.
Leaving just Maric who only dropped 4 points.

Additionally, looking at Mummy's scores, he was building in form before being struck down by injury, his average was only rising.

[Ricochet]

Okay so 20 points between a 95 and 105 average gives you 460 extra points over 23 rounds.
Is that really worth it for $200,000?
Even if you use Lobbe as a stepping stone, let's say he averages 95, he should/could reach a price of about $514,000 (based on Ivan Maric price, averaging 95.4) which is an additional $125,000, making it $325,000 worth of value, for those 460 points, which wouldn't be 460 points if you upgrade to one of the top rucks at some stage.

At what point in the season though?

Blicavs is probably the best one from this year to compare to Lobbe



He started at a similar price, but averaged 100 early on

Now look at his price changes. It starts drying up pretty quickly, and doesn't make 120k until round 7.

And that's if he averages 100. If he goes at 95, he's not going to be a great stepping stone at all

Also, I can guarantee that 90% of people will not trade out a 95-100ave ruck at round 7, you'll be looking at rookies first.



Next to consider is the effect of changes in scoring.

Have a look at established proven scorers and compare to their averages last year

Jacobs -7
Mummy -8
Maric -4
Ryder - 16
McEvoy -5

Only the elite tap ruckman maintained or improved (NicNat, Goldy, Sandi, etc)

So if you're predicting 95-100 based on his previous scoring, i would suggest knocking off 5 from there



I had Lobbe in my side for a while, but he's definitely not in there now.

Ryder & McEvoy moved to a new club, so I couldn't consider them evidence here.
Sauce had a few poor games, mainly around the time of his coach's passing if I recall correctly, so hopefully that won't happen again.
Mummy was injured again, no surprise, and only played half the year, meaning that the lower scores impacted his score more heavily.
Leaving just Maric who only dropped 4 points.

Phil Walsh passed just before round 14. Jacobs was still only averaging 101 til that point, he actually scored better in the second half of the year
McEvoy has been at the Hawks for 2 years, so can't discount him there.
Yeh ok on Ryder but a drop of 16 points is significant
Mumford scored poorly in games he was fully fit so you can't just ignore them either.


It was publicly known that CD made changes to ruck scoring and it would impact on ruckman who's HTA% was lower, so you can't just ignore then drop offs man

[shaker]

Hahaha to many stats guys SC is a simple game don't complicate it with stats that mean nothing about what is going to happen this year , pick the best scoring players you can afford take a punt where the damage will be less hurtful , good luck to all cant wait till it starts  :P

[RaisyDaisy]

Lobbe won't be a keeper. The sooner that's accepted the easier peoples decisions will be. Well, he can be a keeper but you'll fall behind.

If starting him gives you the cash to get more points on the field to begin with than do it, but know as soon as more and more games pass and he is 10-20 points behind the prems you need to upgrade him to stop the bleeding in points lost

It's actually going to be quite the balance act trying to time his upgrade perfectly to justify starting him, but if you want to climb the rankings you'll need to upgrade him around rd 6-9 I would have thought

Maybe just start both Lobbe and Luey with the goal of turning them into a gun and rookie 6-8 weeks in.

Or maybe just avoid them both all together

[Holz]

Lobbe isnt a keeper but this talk of him averaging 95 and being a bad pick i cant compute. Im probably picking him and if heactually did go 95 i would be stoked. Its 15 under the second best ruck behind goldy. I dont believe that people who were high in the rankings had M8 that were 10 or less off from the best guy they could have picked.

If Lobbe goes close to 95 he will be closer to the best R2 then crouch and libba will be to the best mid premo and nobody is worried about them.

[Ricochet]

Lobbe isnt a keeper but this talk of him averaging 95 and being a bad pick i cant compute. Im probably picking him and if heactually did go 95 i would be stoked. Its 15 under the second best ruck behind goldy. I dont believe that people who were high in the rankings had M8 that were 10 or less off from the best guy they could have picked.

If Lobbe goes close to 95 he will be closer to the best R2 then crouch and libba will be to the best mid premo and nobody is worried about them.

If he goes 95, at what point will you trade him out tho man?

[Holz]

Lobbe isnt a keeper but this talk of him averaging 95 and being a bad pick i cant compute. Im probably picking him and if heactually did go 95 i would be stoked. Its 15 under the second best ruck behind goldy. I dont believe that people who were high in the rankings had M8 that were 10 or less off from the best guy they could have picked.

If Lobbe goes close to 95 he will be closer to the best R2 then crouch and libba will be to the best mid premo and nobody is worried about them.

If he goes 95, at what point will you trade him out tho man?

I probably dont have to nobody has the best of the best everywhere unless they arent going for overall.

when I finished right at the top i still had 100-105 mids at m7 m8. If instead I have 115 mids there then i can afford to have a 95 R2.

I only upgrade him if his form drops, he gets injured or if somebody goes really big and pushes 115+.

my trade hard strategy means i compromise on these positions to counter this i start of with less premos but the best of the best.

Starting Pendles Ablett Rocky Goldy Lids Martin Gunston Shaw etc... im paying up for these guys even though some overpriced. here is one, the 170k I save on Lobbe over a Martin I use on 3 different players to bump them from premo to super premo. e.g. Pendles over say Sloane or Selwood.

[Ricochet]

Lobbe isnt a keeper but this talk of him averaging 95 and being a bad pick i cant compute. Im probably picking him and if heactually did go 95 i would be stoked. Its 15 under the second best ruck behind goldy. I dont believe that people who were high in the rankings had M8 that were 10 or less off from the best guy they could have picked.

If Lobbe goes close to 95 he will be closer to the best R2 then crouch and libba will be to the best mid premo and nobody is worried about them.

If he goes 95, at what point will you trade him out tho man?

I probably dont have to nobody has the best of the best everywhere unless they arent going for overall.

when I finished right at the top i still had 100-105 mids at m7 m8. If instead I have 115 mids there then i can afford to have a 95 R2.

I only upgrade him if his form drops, he gets injured or if somebody goes really big and pushes 115+.

my trade hard strategy means i compromise on these positions to counter this i start of with less premos but the best of the best.

Starting Pendles Ablett Rocky Goldy Lids Martin Gunston Shaw etc... im paying up for these guys even though some overpriced. here is one, the 170k I save on Lobbe over a Martin I use on 3 different players to bump them from premo to super premo. e.g. Pendles over say Sloane or Selwood.

Why can't you start SMartin and upgrade the mids though? Martin pretty much scores like a midfielder anyway.

Ok, personally I don't think you can get away with a 95 ruck all year, and if he doesn't go 95 you're upgrading him for little gain.

Just seems like high risk for little reward imo.

He's different to Libba because Libba's reward is potential 105-110.