Matthew Lobbe

[TomK]

95 is more than enough from Lobbe considering his price, and if you think you will get 95 average from Berger this year you are dreaming.

[Ringo]

Look at Bergers 2013 stats if you still think he can not average 95 as a sole ruck then so be it. Berger was sole ruck in 2013.

[Holz]

Look at Bergers 2013 stats if you still think he can not average 95 as a sole ruck then so be it. Berger was sole ruck in 2013.

he was sole ruck in a team that finished a respectful 10-12 hitting the ball down to Brett Moloney, Simon Black, Jarred Redden, Tom Rockcliff, Pearce Hamley and Daniel Rich.

Playing 20 games in that season after being limited to 19 in the last two seasons.

so 97 playing in a much better team staying injury free.

at essendon with his injuries im putting it as below a 5% chance he averages 95 and plays 18+ games

Lobbe im putting it as 50% chance.

[fanTCfool]

Holz is correct, Berger can average 95, but he has no Midfield to hit it to this year.

[shaker]

Berger can avg. 95 but don't know if they will be brave enough to see if he can do all the ruck work with his fragile body

[LordSneeze]

Berger is going to be a massive risk even in the FWD line.

Change in the ruck rule means you cannot look back past last year with any certainty. Moved to a team that will struggle in the clearances, his fragile body means likely to miss games as Essendon will want to make him last the year.

Way to many things going against him this year.

[fanTCfool]

Alright this is what I've got as some sort of summary of all this:

Lobbe Pros
Price frees up money elsewhere
Job Security
Averaged 100 before

Lobbe Cons
Average score isn't enough to keep, waste of trade at some point
Ruck scoring has changed

Berger Pros
Price
Will play all games barring injury
Forward DPP

Berger Cons
Injury
Essendon 2016 team

[GoLions]

Alright this is what I've got as some sort of summary of all this:

Lobbe Pros
Price frees up money elsewhere
Job Security
Averaged 100 before

Lobbe Cons
Average score isn't enough to keep, waste of trade at some point
Ruck scoring has changed

Berger Pros
Price
Will play all games barring injury
Forward DPP

Berger Cons
Injury
Essendon 2016 team

IMO it's basically:

Lobbe - Less injury risk, better team to tap the ball to
Leuey - Cheaper, FWD DPP

So essentially depends on how much you value DPP, and how confident you are that Leuey will last the first 8-10 rounds without getting injured

[quinny88]

A 95 avg from Berger is good enough for F5/F6 in a complete side (ruck coverage as well)
A 95 from Lobbe isn't good enough for R2

This.

Im still not sure if the joke was being sarcastic or not

95 from lobbe is more then good enough for a R2. Obviously 95 as a F/R is better. but lobbe is much much better then burger. even taking out the injury factor.

Since when is a 95 avg good enough for R2?  :o if you don't have 2 guys averaging 105+ you're behind the 8 ball.

Lobbe will need to be upgraded at some point which burns a trade.
Leuy probably will as well but IF they average 95 each then Leuy is a keeper and more valuable with DPP than Lobbe.

P.s Lobbe isn't a better player than Berger. When Berger isn't injured and plays as sole ruck he's one of the best ruckman in the comp

[Holz]

A 95 avg from Berger is good enough for F5/F6 in a complete side (ruck coverage as well)
A 95 from Lobbe isn't good enough for R2

This.

Im still not sure if the joke was being sarcastic or not

95 from lobbe is more then good enough for a R2. Obviously 95 as a F/R is better. but lobbe is much much better then burger. even taking out the injury factor.

Since when is a 95 avg good enough for R2?  :o if you don't have 2 guys averaging 105+ you're behind the 8 ball.

Lobbe will need to be upgraded at some point which burns a trade.
Leuy probably will as well but IF they average 95 each then Leuy is a keeper and more valuable with DPP than Lobbe.

its not a burnt trade if he makes you 100k+ its a money making trade.

what is a burnt trade is when leuy gets injured or scores sub par and you need to trade him out and probably have to use two trades to bring a premo in (or even lobbe :P )

the worst case is he averages like 75 and you keep him in your team, then are forced to use two trades when he gets injured and you have made like 40k

[fanTCfool]

A 95 avg from Berger is good enough for F5/F6 in a complete side (ruck coverage as well)
A 95 from Lobbe isn't good enough for R2

This.

Im still not sure if the joke was being sarcastic or not

95 from lobbe is more then good enough for a R2. Obviously 95 as a F/R is better. but lobbe is much much better then burger. even taking out the injury factor.

Since when is a 95 avg good enough for R2?  :o if you don't have 2 guys averaging 105+ you're behind the 8 ball.

Lobbe will need to be upgraded at some point which burns a trade.
Leuy probably will as well but IF they average 95 each then Leuy is a keeper and more valuable with DPP than Lobbe.

P.s Lobbe isn't a better player than Berger. When Berger isn't injured and plays as sole ruck he's one of the best ruckman in the comp

Why can't a 95 average be enough for R2? Put the money somewhere else and have a 100 averaging M7/8 instead of an 80 average.

[quinny88]

95 is more than good enough for R2 early on but I was talking about as a keeper.

The only way I'm seperating these 2 is the fact that Berger has DPP and Lobbe does not. If Lobbe had DPP I'd strongly consider him as a forward option too.
Even if Lobbe averages 95 and Berger 90. Berger is still more value with the ability to swing from ruck to forward and keep all year as F6/F7 while covering your ruck as well.

My own experience with mid pricers is that they get stuck in your team for longer than you want them too because you're not going to upgrade Lobbe In the first half of the year when you have fattened cash cows ready to upgrade to premiums

[Ricochet]

My own experience with mid pricers is that they get stuck in your team for longer than you want them too because you're not going to upgrade Lobbe In the first half of the year when you have fattened cash cows ready to upgrade to premiums

100% agree mate, spot on. I've recently taken Lobbe out of my side for this very reason

[PICCOLLO]

A 95 avg from Berger is good enough for F5/F6 in a complete side (ruck coverage as well)
A 95 from Lobbe isn't good enough for R2

This.

Im still not sure if the joke was being sarcastic or not

95 from lobbe is more then good enough for a R2. Obviously 95 as a F/R is better. but lobbe is much much better then burger. even taking out the injury factor.

Since when is a 95 avg good enough for R2?  :o if you don't have 2 guys averaging 105+ you're behind the 8 ball.

Lobbe will need to be upgraded at some point which burns a trade.
Leuy probably will as well but IF they average 95 each then Leuy is a keeper and more valuable with DPP than Lobbe.

P.s Lobbe isn't a better player than Berger. When Berger isn't injured and plays as sole ruck he's one of the best ruckman in the comp

Why can't a 95 average be enough for R2? Put the money somewhere else and have a 100 averaging M7/8 instead of an 80 average.

As a guy who had a decent year last year (rank 550 odd) I had Jacobs and Nicnat.  Trust me when I say, a 95 avg will have you behind the eight ball as an R2.  If it's just to start the year then okay but you need to upgrade. I was watching Goldy get 120 avg.  I was basically giving away 20 odd points to opposition every week. (and nicnat and jacobs averaged more than 95!)

[fanTCfool]

A 95 avg from Berger is good enough for F5/F6 in a complete side (ruck coverage as well)
A 95 from Lobbe isn't good enough for R2

This.

Im still not sure if the joke was being sarcastic or not

95 from lobbe is more then good enough for a R2. Obviously 95 as a F/R is better. but lobbe is much much better then burger. even taking out the injury factor.

Since when is a 95 avg good enough for R2?  :o if you don't have 2 guys averaging 105+ you're behind the 8 ball.

Lobbe will need to be upgraded at some point which burns a trade.
Leuy probably will as well but IF they average 95 each then Leuy is a keeper and more valuable with DPP than Lobbe.

P.s Lobbe isn't a better player than Berger. When Berger isn't injured and plays as sole ruck he's one of the best ruckman in the comp

Why can't a 95 average be enough for R2? Put the money somewhere else and have a 100 averaging M7/8 instead of an 80 average.

As a guy who had a decent year last year (rank 550 odd) I had Jacobs and Nicnat.  Trust me when I say, a 95 avg will have you behind the eight ball as an R2.  If it's just to start the year then okay but you need to upgrade. I was watching Goldy get 120 avg.  I was basically giving away 20 odd points to opposition every week. (and nicnat and jacobs averaged more than 95!)

I don't dispute that you would be giving away a few points in the Ruck but you would be in front in other areas.
You could be gaining 21 points over your opponents with a stronger forward line from the change you have freed up.