Matthew Lobbe

[RaisyDaisy]

I like the arguments for Lobbe and I am being swayed to consider him.

Dropping Nic Nat to Lobbe allows me to swap Bird out for Dusty. Definitely something to consider.

Haha, I'm getting swayed now too!

[Ringo]

I was off him as well until I did some research.

Ryder missed 4 games and in those 4 games Lobbe went
83 SC points with 45 hit outs v Melbourne
85 with 44 hit outs v Western Bulldogs
80 with 52 hit ots v Geelong
115 with 42  hit outs v Carlton

So starting to really warm to him as maybe a stepping stone to a better ruck or even holding if he gets back to his 2014 averages.  Will allow a prem on another line as well.

Very durable as well only missing 9 games over the past 3 years including 5 last year with some because of form.

[GoLions]

I was off him as well until I did some research.

Ryder missed 4 games and in those 4 games Lobbe went
83 SC points with 45 hit outs v Melbourne
85 with 44 hit outs v Western Bulldogs
80 with 52 hit ots v Geelong
115 with 42  hit outs v Carlton

So starting to really warm to him as maybe a stepping stone to a better ruck or even holding if he gets back to his 2014 averages.  Will allow a prem on another line as well.

Very durable as well only missing 9 games over the past 3 years including 5 last year with some because of form.

If anything, that fills me with less confidence. All those teams have pretty bad ruckmen in comparison to others. Bulldogs would've had who? Campbell? Roughead? Bont? Gawn isn't a great ruckman, neither is Blicavs, and I dunno who the Blues had rucking at the time, but assume it wasn't Kreuzer.

[GoLions]

I was off him as well until I did some research.

Ryder missed 4 games and in those 4 games Lobbe went
83 SC points with 45 hit outs v Melbourne
85 with 44 hit outs v Western Bulldogs
80 with 52 hit ots v Geelong
115 with 42  hit outs v Carlton

So starting to really warm to him as maybe a stepping stone to a better ruck or even holding if he gets back to his 2014 averages.  Will allow a prem on another line as well.

Very durable as well only missing 9 games over the past 3 years including 5 last year with some because of form.

If anything, that fills me with less confidence. All those teams have pretty bad ruckmen in comparison to others. Bulldogs would've had who? Campbell? Roughead? Bont? Gawn isn't a great ruckman, neither is Blicavs, and I dunno who the Blues had rucking at the time, but assume it wasn't Kreuzer.

Oh, it was Kreuzer and Cam Wood, and Kreuzer spent a fair bit of time playing forward.

[quinny88]

I was off him as well until I did some research.

Ryder missed 4 games and in those 4 games Lobbe went
83 SC points with 45 hit outs v Melbourne
85 with 44 hit outs v Western Bulldogs
80 with 52 hit ots v Geelong
115 with 42  hit outs v Carlton

So starting to really warm to him as maybe a stepping stone to a better ruck or even holding if he gets back to his 2014 averages.  Will allow a prem on another line as well.

Very durable as well only missing 9 games over the past 3 years including 5 last year with some because of form.

If anything, that fills me with less confidence. All those teams have pretty bad ruckmen in comparison to others. Bulldogs would've had who? Campbell? Roughead? Bont? Gawn isn't a great ruckman, neither is Blicavs, and I dunno who the Blues had rucking at the time, but assume it wasn't Kreuzer.

Oh, it was Kreuzer and Cam Wood, and Kreuzer spent a fair bit of time playing forward.

Agree GL, those numbers are very ordinary for someone getting that many hitouts!
Those should all be 100+ games.
What happens when he rucks against someone good and only gets 30 hitouts (which is still a good number)? Will be lucky to score 70 if those numbers are any indicator.

[shaker]

I was off him as well until I did some research.

Ryder missed 4 games and in those 4 games Lobbe went
83 SC points with 45 hit outs v Melbourne
85 with 44 hit outs v Western Bulldogs
80 with 52 hit ots v Geelong
115 with 42  hit outs v Carlton

So starting to really warm to him as maybe a stepping stone to a better ruck or even holding if he gets back to his 2014 averages.  Will allow a prem on another line as well.

Very durable as well only missing 9 games over the past 3 years including 5 last year with some because of form.

Well not many good rucks in those teams last year and I think they will elevate or grab another ruck because if he goes down they are in a world of poo , I think I will wait to see what Port do before I drop set and forget for Mr. Lobbe

[eaglesman]

I'm on goldy lobbe

but if it looks as though lobbe is more popular than I anticipate I'll swing back to set and forget as a Point of difference

[PiPies]

The scores for Lobbe from 2014 don't include the hit-out to advantage scoring change that came in last year so I think his scores would improve a bit if that scoring change was applied.

[RaisyDaisy]

The scores for Lobbe from 2014 don't include the hit-out to advantage scoring change that came in last year so I think his scores would improve a bit if that scoring change was applied.

Good point. I also expect port to win more games this year too. 100 avg is definitely achievable, and at 389k that's value

[GCSkiwi]

I was off him as well until I did some research.

Ryder missed 4 games and in those 4 games Lobbe went
83 SC points with 45 hit outs v Melbourne
85 with 44 hit outs v Western Bulldogs
80 with 52 hit ots v Geelong
115 with 42  hit outs v Carlton

So starting to really warm to him as maybe a stepping stone to a better ruck or even holding if he gets back to his 2014 averages.  Will allow a prem on another line as well.

Very durable as well only missing 9 games over the past 3 years including 5 last year with some because of form.

If anything, that fills me with less confidence. All those teams have pretty bad ruckmen in comparison to others. Bulldogs would've had who? Campbell? Roughead? Bont? Gawn isn't a great ruckman, neither is Blicavs, and I dunno who the Blues had rucking at the time, but assume it wasn't Kreuzer.

Oh, it was Kreuzer and Cam Wood, and Kreuzer spent a fair bit of time playing forward.

Agree GL, those numbers are very ordinary for someone getting that many hitouts!
Those should all be 100+ games.
What happens when he rucks against someone good and only gets 30 hitouts (which is still a good number)? Will be lucky to score 70 if those numbers are any indicator.

Completely agree, those numbers are actually alarming for me.

And I'm not so sure the rule change is great for him, R14 last year against swans he had 30 HO, 10poss, 3 tackles for 37SC, Ryder had 22HO, 3poss, 3 tackles for 57SC... neither were great, but 30HO for 37 points?

[Gigantor]

Looking at his numbers I don't think I'll be picking him

2014 - Per Game Ave: 33 HO 11 Disposals 101 SC
2015 - Per Game Ave: 30 HO 8 Disposals 72 SC

29 ppg seems like a big drop considering his average stats did drop that much. Along with the previous posts about his games with out Ryder scoring so low it looks like he has a bad HOTA rate and the new scoring system hurt him in 2015

Also in 2014 his 3 massive scores that pushed his average up were against very weak ruck opponents
150 vs St Kilda - Longer only no Hickey
145 vs Sydney - Derickx, no Pyke or Tippet
178 vs GC - Gorringe only, No Nicholls, Dixon subbed early.

I don't really want to have to rely on other rucks missing for him to score well.

Even if he has improved as a player and Port have a stronger year I still see him averaging low 90's which IMO isn't worth starting him at 389K

[fasttrack13]

Looking at his numbers I don't think I'll be picking him

2014 - Per Game Ave: 33 HO 11 Disposals 101 SC
2015 - Per Game Ave: 30 HO 8 Disposals 72 SC

29 ppg seems like a big drop considering his average stats did drop that much. Along with the previous posts about his games with out Ryder scoring so low it looks like he has a bad HOTA rate and the new scoring system hurt him in 2015

Also in 2014 his 3 massive scores that pushed his average up were against very weak ruck opponents
150 vs St Kilda - Longer only no Hickey
145 vs Sydney - Derickx, no Pyke or Tippet
178 vs GC - Gorringe only, No Nicholls, Dixon subbed early.

I don't really want to have to rely on other rucks missing for him to score well.

Even if he has improved as a player and Port have a stronger year I still see him averaging low 90's which IMO isn't worth starting him at 389K

sums it up perfectly

[Ringo]

Another negative for Lobbe and I am still not 100% one way or the other but doing a lot of research.

He is on the wrong side of frees against and remember these are worth - 4 in SC
2015 23/27
2014 35/48
2013 15/28

[shaker]

Looking at his numbers I don't think I'll be picking him

2014 - Per Game Ave: 33 HO 11 Disposals 101 SC
2015 - Per Game Ave: 30 HO 8 Disposals 72 SC

29 ppg seems like a big drop considering his average stats did drop that much. Along with the previous posts about his games with out Ryder scoring so low it looks like he has a bad HOTA rate and the new scoring system hurt him in 2015

Also in 2014 his 3 massive scores that pushed his average up were against very weak ruck opponents
150 vs St Kilda - Longer only no Hickey
145 vs Sydney - Derickx, no Pyke or Tippet
178 vs GC - Gorringe only, No Nicholls, Dixon subbed early.

I don't really want to have to rely on other rucks missing for him to score well.

Even if he has improved as a player and Port have a stronger year I still see him averaging low 90's which IMO isn't worth starting him at 389K

sums it up perfectly

It really does plus Ringo's post about frees against no Mr Lobbe for me still set and forget  ;)

[RaisyDaisy]

Let's be serious, how he plays in NAB is going to decide whether people warm to him or pass

He cranks out a ton or two or scores well based on TOG and he becomes a lock. If he looks average most will pass