Matthew Lobbe

[quinny88]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

Exactly my thinking.    Unless you are desperate for cash ( and you should not be as Bombers will have lots of rookies to choose from) why would you take Lobbe over the list above.  Likely to fall short on points, and maybe need a trade.

Completely depends on how you use the extra cash. Goldy and Lobbe are 300k apart so if you can use the cash to turn a rookie into a keeper then I think it would be worth it.

That still leaves you with the same amount of  keepers though unless you think Lobbe can average 110?

[ben_020285]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

Exactly my thinking.    Unless you are desperate for cash ( and you should not be as Bombers will have lots of rookies to choose from) why would you take Lobbe over the list above.  Likely to fall short on points, and maybe need a trade.

Completely depends on how you use the extra cash. Goldy and Lobbe are 300k apart so if you can use the cash to turn a rookie into a keeper then I think it would be worth it.

That still leaves you with the same amount of  keepers though unless you think Lobbe can average 110?

It is a completely viable option to pick Lobbe hoping he will be a keeper but expecting him to be a stepping stone to one of the top 2 ruckman. That could be Goldy, Nic Nat, S Martin, Jacobs etc etc. It is rarely the case that the two highest averaging rucks from one year are able to do it again the following year.

By picking Lobbe you get the opportunity to see who the best rucks are this year while hopefully Lobbe will post some good scores as the sole ruck at Port and get his price up enough so that it is only around 150k or even less hopefully to turn him into a top 2 ruck.

Using the example of Goldy, he has some very tough opposition in the ruck early on this year so even if he averages 115 for the first 7 rounds then he will still drop considerably in price. If Lobbe was to average say 95 in the first 7 rounds then he would rise in price and it would only cost around 150k or possibly less than that to turn Lobbe into Goldy.

It basically comes down to Goldy and rookie v Lobbe and a fwd or def keeper. The rookie will need to be upgraded regardless whereas Lobbe may not and if he does need upgrading then it probably won't cost as much to turn him into one of the top 2 rucks compared to turning a rookie into a keeper. Plus it is very likely that Lobbe and keeper will be scoring more points for you than Goldy and rookie.

[fasttrack13]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

Exactly my thinking.    Unless you are desperate for cash ( and you should not be as Bombers will have lots of rookies to choose from) why would you take Lobbe over the list above.  Likely to fall short on points, and maybe need a trade.

Completely depends on how you use the extra cash. Goldy and Lobbe are 300k apart so if you can use the cash to turn a rookie into a keeper then I think it would be worth it.

Like youve said about mackenzie+aish picks ben... a rookie could make just as much cash and goldy's scoring ability makes up for the discrepancy between the rookie and premo.

Rookie (70) + (Goldy 120) v Premo (95-100) v Lobbe (95)

+ Goldy's ability to be your captain choice week in week out.

[ben_020285]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

Exactly my thinking.    Unless you are desperate for cash ( and you should not be as Bombers will have lots of rookies to choose from) why would you take Lobbe over the list above.  Likely to fall short on points, and maybe need a trade.

Completely depends on how you use the extra cash. Goldy and Lobbe are 300k apart so if you can use the cash to turn a rookie into a keeper then I think it would be worth it.

Like youve said about mackenzie+aish picks ben... a rookie could make just as much cash and goldy's scoring ability makes up for the discrepancy between the rookie and premo.

Rookie (70) + (Goldy 120) v Premo (95-100) v Lobbe (95)

+ Goldy's ability to be your captain choice week in week out.

With regards to the score discrepancy it really depends on what your projections are.

See, the rookie that would be with Goldy would be the last picked rookie in the team so I would think they will average around 65. This rookie would most likely be a key defender or small forward rookie for example. My projection for Goldy in the first few rounds is 115. Then with Lobbe I'm projecting 95 and my keeper def or fwd I'm also projecting 95.

So for me it's rookie (65) and Goldy (115) = 180

V Lobbe (95) and def or fwd keeper (95) = 190

It's not all about the points scored though anyway. That's just one of the parts of it as I've mentioned in my previous post in this thread.

[Spite]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

Exactly my thinking.    Unless you are desperate for cash ( and you should not be as Bombers will have lots of rookies to choose from) why would you take Lobbe over the list above.  Likely to fall short on points, and maybe need a trade.

Completely depends on how you use the extra cash. Goldy and Lobbe are 300k apart so if you can use the cash to turn a rookie into a keeper then I think it would be worth it.

Like youve said about mackenzie+aish picks ben... a rookie could make just as much cash and goldy's scoring ability makes up for the discrepancy between the rookie and premo.

Rookie (70) + (Goldy 120) v Premo (95-100) v Lobbe (95)

+ Goldy's ability to be your captain choice week in week out.

With regards to the score discrepancy it really depends on what your projections are.

See, the rookie that would be with Goldy would be the last picked rookie in the team so I would think they will average around 65. This rookie would most likely be a key defender or small forward rookie for example. My projection for Goldy in the first few rounds is 115. Then with Lobbe I'm projecting 95 and my keeper def or fwd I'm also projecting 95.

So for me it's rookie (65) and Goldy (115) = 180

V Lobbe (95) and def or fwd keeper (95) = 190

It's not all about the points scored though anyway. That's just one of the parts of it as I've mentioned in my previous post in this thread.

Last picked so he's on your bench away. Not really fair to say it equals 180 points when one of those dudes will never play for you, you have to take the rookie that is sitting at f/d6.

[AaronKirk]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

I would say that Mummy is a much bigger gamble than Lobbe.

Of course he is a risk. But look at the ruck matchups early for GWS. He will be the number 1 ruck if fit.

Also the matchups v Goldy and Nic Nat are in rounds 21 and 23.

[LordSneeze]

Your missing a few things with that Ben, onfield vs off field, Cash generation and trades required

Going Goldy to Lobbe saves you 305k, this only allows for an rookie upgrade from your lowest rookie to a 420k player. This is still mid price territory and a solid estimate on average here is 75-85 not the 95 you are wanting.

Thus I would have it as
Goldy (115) (Keeper), On field rookie (70) (+$250k), Off field rookie (65) (+$220k) = 185 points/4 trades/470k cash generated
Trades being 2 downgrades on rookies  to make 2 upgrade
Lobbe (95) (+$170k), 420k Def (80) (+$10k), Off Field Rookie (70) (+$250k) = 175 points/5 trades/ $430k cash generated
Trades being Rookie downgrade to Upgrade rookie, Rookie downgrade to upgrade Lobbe and 420k Def

10 points less per week, 1 extra trade, $40k less cash generated.



Anyway
No way am I picking Lobbe. He wont be a keeper so I cannot see any reason too myself
In his last 38 games he has only gone over 100, 8 times.
If you take it back to 2013 it is 13 times in 57 games.

[RaisyDaisy]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

Exactly my thinking.    Unless you are desperate for cash ( and you should not be as Bombers will have lots of rookies to choose from) why would you take Lobbe over the list above.  Likely to fall short on points, and maybe need a trade.

Completely depends on how you use the extra cash. Goldy and Lobbe are 300k apart so if you can use the cash to turn a rookie into a keeper then I think it would be worth it.

Swings and roundabouts. If you go with Lobbe you'll be stronger somewhere else, and vice versa if you go with set and forget.

Just comes down to whether you want to wait and see on who to upgrade - a ruck or another position

As long as he is fit, I'd rather take a shot on Luey at F4 and go set and forget instead of a starting F4 and Lobbe

[ben_020285]

Your missing a few things with that Ben, onfield vs off field, Cash generation and trades required

Going Goldy to Lobbe saves you 305k, this only allows for an rookie upgrade from your lowest rookie to a 420k player. This is still mid price territory and a solid estimate on average here is 75-85 not the 95 you are wanting.

Thus I would have it as
Goldy (115) (Keeper), On field rookie (70) (+$250k), Off field rookie (65) (+$220k) = 185 points/4 trades/470k cash generated
Trades being 2 downgrades on rookies  to make 2 upgrade
Lobbe (95) (+$170k), 420k Def (80) (+$10k), Off Field Rookie (70) (+$250k) = 175 points/5 trades/ $430k cash generated
Trades being Rookie downgrade to Upgrade rookie, Rookie downgrade to upgrade Lobbe and 420k Def

10 points less per week, 1 extra trade, $40k less cash generated.



Anyway
No way am I picking Lobbe. He wont be a keeper so I cannot see any reason too myself
In his last 38 games he has only gone over 100, 8 times.
If you take it back to 2013 it is 13 times in 57 games.

As I said it all depends on what you are projecting from your picks. Lobbe and Brodie Smith v Goldy and low scoring rookie. I prefer Lobbe and Smith while you might prefer Goldy and low scoring rookie.

I think the same amount of trades will be required for each and less trades if Lobbe becomes a keeper which I've said is very unlikely.

There's no right or wrong way of going about it, it's just personal preference.

[Holz]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

He doesnt need a career best season

2014: he averaged 101
2013: after he was dropped and came back in round 12 he averaged 97

I probably wont pick him over goldy

but lets say NN or Martin. A good outcome for both those guys would be 110 it means martin stays the same and NN goes up 40k.

Lobbe is priced at 72. we have seen in the last 1.5 years without ryder that lobbe averages around 100. If he keeps that up then he rises 150k. If he goes to 90 which seems conservative on the numbers he rises 90k.

The best example is the case of Goldy actually.

2011: 113
2012: Hmac comes in and he goes 93
2013: Hmac leaves and he goes 113.

also Ryder missed 4 games last year, in those games Lobbe averaged 91 with 45.75 HO a game

made up my mind.

Lock and Load

Goldy Lobbe

[LordSneeze]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

He doesnt need a career best season

2014: he averaged 101
2013: after he was dropped and came back in round 12 he averaged 97

I probably wont pick him over goldy

but lets say NN or Martin. A good outcome for both those guys would be 110 it means martin stays the same and NN goes up 40k.

Lobbe is priced at 72. we have seen in the last 1.5 years without ryder that lobbe averages around 100. If he keeps that up then he rises 150k. If he goes to 90 which seems conservative on the numbers he rises 90k.

The best example is the case of Goldy actually.

2011: 113
2012: Hmac comes in and he goes 93
2013: Hmac leaves and he goes 113.

also Ryder missed 4 games last year, in those games Lobbe averaged 91 with 45.75 HO a game

made up my mind.

Lock and Load

Goldy Lobbe

Goldy/Lobbe is the only combination i can see being worthwhile with Lobbe in it as Goldy will offset the drop in Lobbe. YOu will still be worse off than a Goldy/Nic Nat combo, but not to as much.

The only thing is Dixon coming in will mean Lobbe is unlikely to ruck solo.

[Holz]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

He doesnt need a career best season

2014: he averaged 101
2013: after he was dropped and came back in round 12 he averaged 97

I probably wont pick him over goldy

but lets say NN or Martin. A good outcome for both those guys would be 110 it means martin stays the same and NN goes up 40k.

Lobbe is priced at 72. we have seen in the last 1.5 years without ryder that lobbe averages around 100. If he keeps that up then he rises 150k. If he goes to 90 which seems conservative on the numbers he rises 90k.

The best example is the case of Goldy actually.

2011: 113
2012: Hmac comes in and he goes 93
2013: Hmac leaves and he goes 113.

also Ryder missed 4 games last year, in those games Lobbe averaged 91 with 45.75 HO a game

made up my mind.

Lock and Load

Goldy Lobbe

Goldy/Lobbe is the only combination i can see being worthwhile with Lobbe in it as Goldy will offset the drop in Lobbe. YOu will still be worse off than a Goldy/Nic Nat combo, but not to as much.

The only thing is Dixon coming in will mean Lobbe is unlikely to ruck solo.

Dixon isnt a ruck though he is a pinch hitter much like Petrie and Brown are for Goldy. If its in the forward line Lobbe might get a little rest but i reckon that lobbe has >90% of the center square bounces and a majority of it around the ground (not in the forward 50)

[ben_020285]

Pick 2 of these rucks and set & forget :Goldy, Martin, NicNat, Jacobs, Mummy, Sandi

Lobbe could well improve with no Ryder and more experience but he still is very unlikely to beat the rucks above in average unless he has a massive career best season.

Port's draw does help but it is a gamble to pick him.

He doesnt need a career best season

2014: he averaged 101
2013: after he was dropped and came back in round 12 he averaged 97

I probably wont pick him over goldy

but lets say NN or Martin. A good outcome for both those guys would be 110 it means martin stays the same and NN goes up 40k.

Lobbe is priced at 72. we have seen in the last 1.5 years without ryder that lobbe averages around 100. If he keeps that up then he rises 150k. If he goes to 90 which seems conservative on the numbers he rises 90k.

The best example is the case of Goldy actually.

2011: 113
2012: Hmac comes in and he goes 93
2013: Hmac leaves and he goes 113.

also Ryder missed 4 games last year, in those games Lobbe averaged 91 with 45.75 HO a game

made up my mind.

Lock and Load

Goldy Lobbe

Goldy/Lobbe is the only combination i can see being worthwhile with Lobbe in it as Goldy will offset the drop in Lobbe. YOu will still be worse off than a Goldy/Nic Nat combo, but not to as much.

The only thing is Dixon coming in will mean Lobbe is unlikely to ruck solo.

Dixon isnt a ruck though he is a pinch hitter much like Petrie and Brown are for Goldy. If its in the forward line Lobbe might get a little rest but i reckon that lobbe has >90% of the center square bounces and a majority of it around the ground (not in the forward 50)

Exactly.

[_wato]

Goldy Lobbe lock and load also

No reason either that Lobbe couldn't do better than 100. Easy draw, only ruckman, gets a lot of hitouts, hit out to % isn't terrible, very good mids at his feet. Especially Gray and Wines.

Thing that I like too is that Round 1 is against Hickey/Longer at AO. Could make for a good start to the year for him

[AaronKirk]

I like the arguments for Lobbe and I am being swayed to consider him.

Dropping Nic Nat to Lobbe allows me to swap Bird out for Dusty. Definitely something to consider.