2015 WXV Awards and 2015 Rules Discussion

[meow meow]

Berlin are a prime example. They are one of the better teams in the competition and should be right on the max level of the cap. They'd be spot on after they chop JPod and Fletcher, but as it stands they can go out and spend big. According to the current cap they're the 13th best team.

[meow meow]

The fact that PNL have forwards in their reserves that would get a game at half of the other clubs, some who can't even field a XV indicates that something is in fact broke. If this was the AFL those players would do a Membrey and walk.

I'm sure Hawthorn would have liked to keep Lance but sometimes teams have to give up a star to stay under the cap and keep their current list together. Saying "we like to keep the ones we have as we like them and grow attached so do not want to have to trade heaps just for the sake of it" is all well and good but I'm pretty sure that Hawthorn were pretty fond of Bud too.

[meow meow]

PNL could drop 900+ points by trading someone like Patton to NDT for one of their first two picks. You wouldn't be getting ripped off, and NDT would be able to get competitive.

[RaisyDaisy]

It's so good having you in Worlds Meow - hard to argue with everything you've presented

Just a shame all this has come out after the vote

Great work

[Vinny]

Yep, difficult to argue with that proposal. I think people fail to see that this is not about rewarding or punishing a particular team. Meow has figured a solution for an issue in the cap that should be addressed. It just ensures that the cap is doing what it has been made to do correctly.

[Toga]

Completely understand that our depth has got to the point that it's overboard and we need to shed some of it so as to share it around a bit. So can sympathise with what you're now saying meow and I don't mind that proposal.

Although the best way to improve your depth by getting the 'better' depth players is via trade - there's only so much talent that can be delisted.

[Holz]

Berlin are a prime example. They are one of the better teams in the competition and should be right on the max level of the cap. They'd be spot on after they chop JPod and Fletcher, but as it stands they can go out and spend big. According to the current cap they're the 13th best team.

The injury rules very slightly improves the system. But the cap with 80% does this.

1. PNL  3rd
2. Beijing 14th
3. Moscow 8th
4. Tokyo 10th
5. Capetown 11th
6. Dublin 1st -2nd

I don't understand how that is fair.

ok so we need the cap to help even the comp. Clearly Beijing Moscow Tokyo and Capetown are overpowered and need to be stopped.

Basically dont make good draft picks and keep your list together (PNL) or try and climb up the ladder by investing in youth that pan out.

The reason the team down the bottom is simple. Remember how I said the cap helps Dublin and everyone just laughed and said im acting in self interest. This list proves my point Beijing, Moscow, Tokyo, Capetown will struggle to compete with me as they are getting held back by the cap despite having teams that struggle to come within 200-300 points of me.

Dillos: Went way too old, traded too late and couldnt get value because of the cap. (Solution good coaches and draft picks fix it and time)
NDT: did horrible horrible  trades (Rocky) which were allowed and then wasted early round draft picks. (Solution good coaches and draft pick fix it and time
Cairo: Actually have a good list, just got destroyed with injuries like no team ever has. They will bounce back. (just time as they have a good list)

the other teams are fine, unless they are not allowed to grow.


If you have speculative players you just need more. its plain and simple, beijing had the most players play and they finished 14th.

PNL havent been going around taking players from teams they have drafted them, its not their fault they do a good job.

A few years of top 5 picks and competent coaching is all you need.

The only way I was aloud to rebuild was by having guys like Tom Mcdonald, Arron Black, Shuan Atley on my list. How unfortunate would it be if Beijing were forced to drop the next Tom Mcdonald as they struggle in 14th spot.

[DazBurg]

The fact that PNL have forwards in their reserves that would get a game at half of the other clubs, some who can't even field a XV indicates that something is in fact broke. If this was the AFL those players would do a Membrey and walk.

PNL could drop 900+ points by trading someone like Patton to NDT for one of their first two picks. You wouldn't be getting ripped off, and NDT would be able to get competitive.

yeah but we also have to take into account DPP changes
2 fwds will lose it and be mids only and a well known defender will lose Def and be mids only

so if we lose those 2 fwds we suddenly have

wingard, rioli, westy, lynch
(billings, patton, Casboult,)

now bare in mind 2 of those benches have failed to play over 9 games
and Cyril this season has tied for his most ever in a season atm

which also brings me back to the point about being one of the least amount of traders
players of those we traded for

Patton
Westhoff

rest were drafted by PNL

anyway point was we never said we would not trade one just ppl need to stop thinking they can get lynch or billings for a 90 -95 ave mid or an old player as we clearly have enough of those

what we want if we were to move one on if a gun mid (ofc packaged with other items)
but we see no point trading out say lynch for we don't need

i mean for us anyway with Cap it is more likely not going to affect fwds with Mcpharln possibly retiring and enright as well that saves a lot of Cap

[meow meow]

Berlin are a prime example. They are one of the better teams in the competition and should be right on the max level of the cap. They'd be spot on after they chop JPod and Fletcher, but as it stands they can go out and spend big. According to the current cap they're the 13th best team.

The injury rules very slightly improves the system. But the cap with 80% does this.

1. PNL  3rd
2. Beijing 14th
3. Moscow 8th
4. Tokyo 10th
5. Capetown 11th
6. Dublin 1st -2nd

I don't understand how that is fair.

ok so we need the cap to help even the comp. Clearly Beijing Moscow Tokyo and Capetown are overpowered and need to be stopped.

Clearly they have the most players.

[Holz]

Berlin are a prime example. They are one of the better teams in the competition and should be right on the max level of the cap. They'd be spot on after they chop JPod and Fletcher, but as it stands they can go out and spend big. According to the current cap they're the 13th best team.

The injury rules very slightly improves the system. But the cap with 80% does this.

1. PNL  3rd
2. Beijing 14th
3. Moscow 8th
4. Tokyo 10th
5. Capetown 11th
6. Dublin 1st -2nd

I don't understand how that is fair.

ok so we need the cap to help even the comp. Clearly Beijing Moscow Tokyo and Capetown are overpowered and need to be stopped.

Clearly they have the most players.

so they need them, they have speculative players.

I dont need speculative players as im in the fortunate postions of being completely stacked with Premos. Much like Mexico and we are in the grandfinal not Beijing. Beijing probably never will be if they cant keep their list together and wait on stars to pop up like Tmac.

I was able to keep guys like tmac as I have superstars getting games every week.

[meow meow]

If Enright and McPharlin retire you'll lose 2500 points anyway so you'd only lose one player at most under my proposed cap. Don't worry, nobody is going to steal all your players. Being forced to give up one player for a draft pick isn't going to send you to the bottom of the ladder. A fit Billings will go a long way to make up for the loss of Enright to retirement.

[meow meow]

Berlin are a prime example. They are one of the better teams in the competition and should be right on the max level of the cap. They'd be spot on after they chop JPod and Fletcher, but as it stands they can go out and spend big. According to the current cap they're the 13th best team.

The injury rules very slightly improves the system. But the cap with 80% does this.

1. PNL  3rd
2. Beijing 14th
3. Moscow 8th
4. Tokyo 10th
5. Capetown 11th
6. Dublin 1st -2nd

I don't understand how that is fair.

ok so we need the cap to help even the comp. Clearly Beijing Moscow Tokyo and Capetown are overpowered and need to be stopped.

Clearly they have the most players.

so they need them, they have speculative players.

I dont need speculative players as im in the fortunate postions of being completely stacked with Premos. Much like Mexico and we are in the grandfinal not Beijing. Beijing probably never will be if they cant keep their list together and wait on stars to pop up like Tmac.

I was able to keep guys like tmac as I have superstars getting games every week.

So Beijing will surge up the ladder if they're able to keep players like Ted Richards, Alipate Carlile, Danny Stanley and Matt Jones will they? They don't have to delist their whole fricking team. Those 4 would almost be enough.

*Edit* they'd be 447 points under the 100/90% cap if they did that.

[Memphistopheles]

Berlin are a prime example. They are one of the better teams in the competition and should be right on the max level of the cap. They'd be spot on after they chop JPod and Fletcher, but as it stands they can go out and spend big. According to the current cap they're the 13th best team.

The injury rules very slightly improves the system. But the cap with 80% does this.

1. PNL  3rd
2. Beijing 14th
3. Moscow 8th
4. Tokyo 10th
5. Capetown 11th
6. Dublin 1st -2nd

I don't understand how that is fair.

ok so we need the cap to help even the comp. Clearly Beijing Moscow Tokyo and Capetown are overpowered and need to be stopped.

Clearly they have the most players.

so they need them, they have speculative players.

I dont need speculative players as im in the fortunate postions of being completely stacked with Premos. Much like Mexico and we are in the grandfinal not Beijing. Beijing probably never will be if they cant keep their list together and wait on stars to pop up like Tmac.

I was able to keep guys like tmac as I have superstars getting games every week.

So Beijing will surge up the ladder if they're able to keep players like Ted Richards, Alipate Carlile, Danny Stanley and Matt Jones will they? They don't have to delist their whole fricking team. Those 4 would almost be enough.

Okay use us as the example then.

Look at our list and tell me who we drop to get under the cap? All bar a couple of guys are under 30 and as Holz said most are developing.

Bearing in mind that Toohey has retired and Wagner won't cut so we already have two empty spots on our list. We don't want to have to draft too many kids in this draft.

Shane Savage
Shaun Higgins
Nick Haynes
Cameron O'Shea
Jasper Pittard
Gary Rohan
Sam Reid (D/F)
Lachie Plowman
James Gwilt
Will Schofield
Matthew Dick*
Jake Kelly*
James Toohey*
Trent Cotchin
Josh P. Kennedy
Scott Selwood
Dom Tyson
Adam Cooney
Craig Bird
Edward Curnow
George Horlin-Smith
Jimmy Toumpas
Darcy Lang
Trent Dumont
Nathan Drummond
Nick O'Brien*
Johann Wagner*
Tom Hawkins
Jeremy Cameron
Andrejs Everitt
Lachie Hunter
Stewart Crameri
Cameron McCarthy
Mitch Honeychurch
Sam Reid (F/D)
Peter Wright
Dean Kent
Brandon Jack
Brant Colledge
Billie Smedts
Jaden McGrath
Stefan Martin
Billy Longer
Mark Blicavs
Trent West

Anyone we dropped/traded away to reduce our cap we would be guessing/gambling on to not turn into a good player. Aside from Trent West :P but, he's a ruck back-up

But, if you let us keep this list together for another two season I think the cream would rise to the top and we would be very, very competitive. Especially as no-one bar perhaps Adam Cooney and James Gwilt would have retired.

[meow meow]

What's better for the competition, Beijing having to delist 4 spuds or Christchurch being able to go and collect 10 players with 500 missing points each and effectively give myself a 35000 point cap vs everyone else's 30000?

[meow meow]

That's up to Cape Town to organise two for one trades or trades for draft picks to bring the cap down. It's called list management and that's what this whole game is about, is it not? I'm going to have to do a heap of it when Lever, Steele and all those guys come good.

I know who I'd trade from that list, but it's up to you to decide who to trade/keep.