2015 WXV Awards and 2015 Rules Discussion

[meow meow]

The max/min would be simple to replicate under the system I proposed.

Currently it's 3300 x9 (games a week) x17 (WXV rounds) /18 (teams) = 28040 points average per team.

All we'd have to do is find the new average with the extra scores added. If the new average is 30000 per team we would just have to lift the min/max by 2000 points so there is basically no change whatsoever.

[Holz]

IMO cap is perfectly fine as is. Simple enough to keep track of and does a fairly good job at stopping teams hoarding depth or trading out all scorers to become uncompetitive.

So you think DUBLIN trading in Liberatore for free (cap wise) isn't bad for the competition?

the cap is irrelevant to the fairness of the competition. Whether i paid enough is completely relevant. its not like if i get Libba  as a free agent. I'm trading for him.

Who cares what he costs in the cap, the reason why i like injuries not counting in the cap is it weakens the negative impact of the cap. Minimizing the damage of the cap is my main goal.

If you think im not paying enough for Libba then thats fair enough. But people should focus on the trade in the vacuum.

Hide the team names, hide the cap and look at Team A and Team B, the only time people should step in is if one team is destroying another in a trade. The only other time is if a team is struggling and you directly help them with giving them free picks. Everything else disorts the system.

[AaronKirk]

I guess we have to start re-planning a particular trade  ::)

Have fun.

I'm sure we will.

Even if it is a fair trade (which I reckon it is) it will be blocked because it is Dublin.

[Holz]

The max/min would be simple to replicate under the system I proposed.

Currently it's 3300 x9 (games a week) x17 (WXV rounds) /18 (teams) = 28040 points average per team.

All we'd have to do is find the new average with the extra scores added. If the new average is 30000 per team we would just have to lift the min/max by 2000 points so there is basically no change whatsoever.

do you like my 30% rule instead? gets rid of the massive outliers and doesnt do too much to the cap at all.

[AaronKirk]

I voted for the cap to stay the same just because as I said it's reasonably simple and does what it's meant to despite a few loopholes.

I guess we have to start re-planning a particular trade  ::)

Hopefully you won't have to change your plans too much mate. Just need to make sure you are under/over by the end of the period which is easy enough to do, either via delisting or drafting points.

I'm not worried about the cap. I don't care that much. Regardless of what changes with the cap everyone has to adapt.

Just seems people want to change the cap because Holz offered the most for Liberatore.

If he went anywhere else this wouldn't be an issue.

[ossie85]

I voted for the cap to stay the same just because as I said it's reasonably simple and does what it's meant to despite a few loopholes.

I guess we have to start re-planning a particular trade  ::)

Hopefully you won't have to change your plans too much mate. Just need to make sure you are under/over by the end of the period which is easy enough to do, either via delisting or drafting points.

I'm not worried about the cap. I don't care that much. Regardless of what changes with the cap everyone has to adapt.

Just seems people want to change the cap because Holz offered the most for Liberatore.

If he went anywhere else this wouldn't be an issue.

It may seem that way AK, but we've been talking about this loophole since before Libba went down with his knee injury, and it was always the plan to implement any new rules BEFORE people have traded.

[Holz]

I voted for the cap to stay the same just because as I said it's reasonably simple and does what it's meant to despite a few loopholes.

I guess we have to start re-planning a particular trade  ::)

Hopefully you won't have to change your plans too much mate. Just need to make sure you are under/over by the end of the period which is easy enough to do, either via delisting or drafting points.

I'm not worried about the cap. I don't care that much. Regardless of what changes with the cap everyone has to adapt.

Just seems people want to change the cap because Holz offered the most for Liberatore.

If he went anywhere else this wouldn't be an issue.

It may seem that way AK, but we've been talking about this loophole since before Libba went down with his knee injury, and it was always the plan to implement any new rules BEFORE people have traded.

shouldnt this has been done a few months ago though?

everyone knows that people talk lots about trading in the months leading up to the trade period. These are fundamental changes. If you dont talk before the trade period trades get done and you fall behind. even now I hear some people have been traded bascially already and i cant put in deals. Its not just Dublin, I just make it Public.

[AaronKirk]

I voted for the cap to stay the same just because as I said it's reasonably simple and does what it's meant to despite a few loopholes.

I guess we have to start re-planning a particular trade  ::)

Hopefully you won't have to change your plans too much mate. Just need to make sure you are under/over by the end of the period which is easy enough to do, either via delisting or drafting points.

I'm not worried about the cap. I don't care that much. Regardless of what changes with the cap everyone has to adapt.

Just seems people want to change the cap because Holz offered the most for Liberatore.

If he went anywhere else this wouldn't be an issue.

It may seem that way AK, but we've been talking about this loophole since before Libba went down with his knee injury, and it was always the plan to implement any new rules BEFORE people have traded.

I understand that.

As I said I don't have an issue if it changes or remains the same. Everyone will have to adapt.

[RaisyDaisy]

We voted for the cap to stay as is. Don't understand why we need to change a million things

As for Libba, whatever change happens that deal will still go ahead - I'll make sure of it :)

Can always delist spuds if need be

[ossie85]

everyone knows that people talk lots about trading in the months leading up to the trade period. These are fundamental changes. If you dont talk before the trade period trades get done and you fall behind. even now I hear some people have been traded bascially already and i cant put in deals. Its not just Dublin, I just make it Public.

I don't agree with your logic at all Holz, we have MONTHS to trade, and people will trade for the best deals possible.

It is unfair for people to hold grudges against someone who has withdrawn a trade because of a rule change. Hell, I think everything is fair game until the actual trade period starts and people post and confirm the trade.

[PowerBug]

everyone knows that people talk lots about trading in the months leading up to the trade period. These are fundamental changes. If you dont talk before the trade period trades get done and you fall behind. even now I hear some people have been traded bascially already and i cant put in deals. Its not just Dublin, I just make it Public.

I don't agree with your logic at all Holz, we have MONTHS to trade, and people will trade for the best deals possible.

It is unfair for people to hold grudges against someone who has withdrawn a trade because of a rule change. Hell, I think everything is fair game until the actual trade period starts and people post and confirm the trade.

This is why teams should be punished if they are caught discussing trades before the season ends ;)

[AaronKirk]

everyone knows that people talk lots about trading in the months leading up to the trade period. These are fundamental changes. If you dont talk before the trade period trades get done and you fall behind. even now I hear some people have been traded bascially already and i cant put in deals. Its not just Dublin, I just make it Public.

I don't agree with your logic at all Holz, we have MONTHS to trade, and people will trade for the best deals possible.

It is unfair for people to hold grudges against someone who has withdrawn a trade because of a rule change. Hell, I think everything is fair game until the actual trade period starts and people post and confirm the trade.

This is why teams should be punished if they are caught discussing trades before the season ends ;)

Now that is the most bullshower thing I have ever heard....

Who doesn't discuss trades during the season  ;)

[PowerBug]

Now that is the most bullshower thing I have ever heard....

Who doesn't discuss trades during the season  ;)

Those that focus on the current season ;)

If you want to be more like the AFL (which is what the other rules are doing and what admin have stated they try to achieve), then you would introduce something to stop teams talking about trades during the season. ;)

[Holz]

everyone knows that people talk lots about trading in the months leading up to the trade period. These are fundamental changes. If you dont talk before the trade period trades get done and you fall behind. even now I hear some people have been traded bascially already and i cant put in deals. Its not just Dublin, I just make it Public.

I don't agree with your logic at all Holz, we have MONTHS to trade, and people will trade for the best deals possible.

It is unfair for people to hold grudges against someone who has withdrawn a trade because of a rule change. Hell, I think everything is fair game until the actual trade period starts and people post and confirm the trade.

Its not about holding grudges. The number 1 thing that destroys teams is not having a plan and having trades that dont match up with your other trades. Soo many teams have worsened their team with no sense of direction, this takes months to do if your going to do it correctly. What I wanted my 2014 team to look like i started planning for before the first season even started. Its why i traded chappy nroo and burgoyne for Ward eski longer

[Holz]

Now that is the most bullshower thing I have ever heard....

Who doesn't discuss trades during the season  ;)

Those that focus on the current season ;)

If you want to be more like the AFL (which is what the other rules are doing and what admin have stated they try to achieve), then you would introduce something to stop teams talking about trades during the season. ;)

yeah but where would we stop. You could say that coaches get fired for not performing in the AFL perhaps we should do that.