2015 WXV Awards and 2015 Rules Discussion

[ossie85]

Don't disagree with that at all, I've always said the best way to help struggling teams is through draft picks (giving them something valuable to trade or use to pick a young gun). But the cap is still pretty important because it means you can't build an unbeatable powerhouse team with great depth as well. The cap forces you to find a balance

It forces you to have a powerhouse team with no depth and given I will have late draft picks from here on out. Unless the people ahead of me draft poorly and trade poorly then I cant keep my team strong forever.

It doesn't force you to have 'a powerhouse team with no depth' - you were saying earlier today that you thought it was unfair if you had a lot of players rested this week. If you had depth, it would've been less of an issue. Your team was so dominate you likely could've afforded to have less top line players for more depth players

[Holz]

Don't disagree with that at all, I've always said the best way to help struggling teams is through draft picks (giving them something valuable to trade or use to pick a young gun). But the cap is still pretty important because it means you can't build an unbeatable powerhouse team with great depth as well. The cap forces you to find a balance

It forces you to have a powerhouse team with no depth and given I will have late draft picks from here on out. Unless the people ahead of me draft poorly and trade poorly then I cant keep my team strong forever.

It doesn't force you to have 'a powerhouse team with no depth' - you were saying earlier today that you thought it was unfair if you had a lot of players rested this week. If you had depth, it would've been less of an issue. Your team was so dominate you likely could've afforded to have less top line players for more depth players

If I had more depth players then I probably wouldn't make the grand final. PNL Mexico and the Saints are no joke. I lost to both the Suns and Saints this week despite being full strength.

The thing is

a 115 mid costs 1955 points

two 90 mids cost 3060 points.

do you see the issue in that.

[ossie85]

Don't disagree with that at all, I've always said the best way to help struggling teams is through draft picks (giving them something valuable to trade or use to pick a young gun). But the cap is still pretty important because it means you can't build an unbeatable powerhouse team with great depth as well. The cap forces you to find a balance

It forces you to have a powerhouse team with no depth and given I will have late draft picks from here on out. Unless the people ahead of me draft poorly and trade poorly then I cant keep my team strong forever.

It doesn't force you to have 'a powerhouse team with no depth' - you were saying earlier today that you thought it was unfair if you had a lot of players rested this week. If you had depth, it would've been less of an issue. Your team was so dominate you likely could've afforded to have less top line players for more depth players

If I had more depth players then I probably wouldn't make the grand final. PNL Mexico and the Saints are no joke. I lost to both the Suns and Saints this week despite being full strength.

The thing is

a 115 mid costs 1955 points

two 90 mids cost 3060 points.

do you see the issue in that.

2 Brent Stantons cost more than a Gary Ablett. Hell, Tom Boyd costs more than Gary Ablett.


Nobody ever said the cap was perfect Holz, no cap ever will be. We need two criteria for a cap

- Simple to implement
- Does what it is intended to do

My opinion is the current cap does that, but it can be improved because of the Liberatore players

[Ricochet]

Don't disagree with that at all, I've always said the best way to help struggling teams is through draft picks (giving them something valuable to trade or use to pick a young gun). But the cap is still pretty important because it means you can't build an unbeatable powerhouse team with great depth as well. The cap forces you to find a balance

It forces you to have a powerhouse team with no depth and given I will have late draft picks from here on out. Unless the people ahead of me draft poorly and trade poorly then I cant keep my team strong forever.

It doesn't force you to have 'a powerhouse team with no depth' - you were saying earlier today that you thought it was unfair if you had a lot of players rested this week. If you had depth, it would've been less of an issue. Your team was so dominate you likely could've afforded to have less top line players for more depth players

If I had more depth players then I probably wouldn't make the grand final. PNL Mexico and the Saints are no joke. I lost to both the Suns and Saints this week despite being full strength.

The thing is

a 115 mid costs 1955 points

two 90 mids cost 3060 points.

do you see the issue in that.

That's the point man, you have to find a balance and nothing is guaranteed.

The thing is

a 115 mid costs 1955 points

two 90 mids cost 3060 points.

do you see the issue in that.

I don't get what you're trying to say there?
And you need to add the second player with the 115mid if you're comparing 2 players with 2 players

[Holz]

The thing is

a 115 mid costs 1955 points

two 90 mids cost 3060 points.

do you see the issue in that.

I don't get what you're trying to say there?
And you need to add the second player with the 115mid if you're comparing 2 players with 2 players

I thought it was pretty self explanatory. People say just go depth and give up your stars. I cant do that because of the cap.

Im already pushing it as it is. Trading a sloane for two 90 players might be a good move for me, to increase my depth and spread the stars around but i simply cant do that.

I wouldnt trade 2 90s mids for a 115 mid however the cap values the 2 90s mids 50% higher then the 115 mid.

its why im forced to get superstars. When I can have a 115 mid much much cheaper then two good mids why would I not.

[Holz]

Nobody ever said the cap was perfect Holz, no cap ever will be. We need two criteria for a cap

- Simple to implement
- Does what it is intended to do

what is it intended to do? I just dont grasp what its for.

too equalize the comp or to stop players hoarding depth?

I dont think it has done either and infact has had far far more negative impacts and minimal if any positives. Perhaps if i had a clear idea what is was intended to do then I could be ok with it.

I bring up the euro and yes i Know 14 teams. however with no cap and heavy assistance to the weaker teams. We have by far the most equal comp with a good spread of players. Not only that but the rules are extremely simple and don't distort market prices at all. Its a shame im soo terrible with the scoring and the admin side of the game, as i think it should be the model worlds should use. If the Euro rules were used with work that you and purp did the comp would be beyond amazing.

[Ricochet]

The thing is

a 115 mid costs 1955 points

two 90 mids cost 3060 points.

do you see the issue in that.

I don't get what you're trying to say there?
And you need to add the second player with the 115mid if you're comparing 2 players with 2 players

I thought it was pretty self explanatory. People say just go depth and give up your stars. I cant do that because of the cap.

Im already pushing it as it is. Trading a sloane for two 90 players might be a good move for me, to increase my depth and spread the stars around but i simply cant do that.

I wouldnt trade 2 90s mids for a 115 mid however the cap values the 2 90s mids 50% higher then the 115 mid.

its why im forced to get superstars. When I can have a 115 mid much much cheaper then two good mids why would I not.

But you have a 115 mid AND another player.

115mid + 80mid = 3315pts
90mid + 90mid = 3060pts

[ossie85]

It does stop teams from hoarding depth and it does it without stoping teams becoming dominant

Caps should ensure competitiveness not equality

[Toga]

IMO cap is perfectly fine as is. Simple enough to keep track of and does a fairly good job at stopping teams hoarding depth or trading out all scorers to become uncompetitive.

[meow meow]

IMO cap is perfectly fine as is. Simple enough to keep track of and does a fairly good job at stopping teams hoarding depth or trading out all scorers to become uncompetitive.

So you think DUBLIN trading in Liberatore for free (cap wise) isn't bad for the competition?

[Ricochet]

IMO cap is perfectly fine as is. Simple enough to keep track of and does a fairly good job at stopping teams hoarding depth or trading out all scorers to become uncompetitive.

So you think DUBLIN trading in Liberatore for free (cap wise) isn't bad for the competition?

Think Toges just means in terms of the mx/min limits and actually having a cap in place

[Toga]

Yeah, I like the max/min cap boundaries and think it does a good job of what it is intended to do so far.

Obviously there are some loopholes like someone getting Liberatore for free, but generally I think it's good

[AaronKirk]

I guess we have to start re-planning a particular trade  ::)

[Nige]

I guess we have to start re-planning a particular trade  ::)

Have fun.

[Toga]

I voted for the cap to stay the same just because as I said it's reasonably simple and does what it's meant to despite a few loopholes.

I guess we have to start re-planning a particular trade  ::)

Hopefully you won't have to change your plans too much mate. Just need to make sure you are under/over by the end of the period which is easy enough to do, either via delisting or drafting points.