2015 WXV Awards and 2015 Rules Discussion

[upthemaidens]

If you give a bonus to players who stay at one club, that would make trading less attractive.  Isn't trading one of the main things that makes the comp fun?

[Memphistopheles]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

Im not saying the rule isnt valid. Its just not fair to introduce once we have built around existing rules. Realistically we built our teams in 2012 with those rules in place, any rule change (baring sub) will be unjustly unfair to some teams

Why don't we start the rule now then and not retrospectively apply it to any players.

So, from now on in anyone who was on your list at the end of the 2015 season before trading (so including the two new teams when they have drafted their teams) starts to count towards being home-grown.

Then once they've been on your list for X number of seasons they start to count a bit less for your cap. Maybe it could be a sliding scale where if you've been on the list for 3 years you get a 10% discount and then for each subsequent year an extra 2% discount up to a maximum of say 20 or 30% discount.

So while we would bring in this rule now it won't actually affect anyone's caps for a few seasons. Teams can now plan for the rule and everyone is on a level playing field.

[DazBurg]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

Im not saying the rule isnt valid. Its just not fair to introduce once we have built around existing rules. Realistically we built our teams in 2012 with those rules in place, any rule change (baring sub) will be unjustly unfair to some teams

Why don't we start the rule now then and not retrospectively apply it to any players.

So, from now on in anyone who was on your list at the end of the 2015 season before trading (so including the two new teams when they have drafted their teams) starts to count towards being home-grown.

Then once they've been on your list for X number of seasons they start to count a bit less for your cap. Maybe it could be a sliding scale where if you've been on the list for 3 years you get a 10% discount and then for each subsequent year an extra 2% discount up to a maximum of say 20 or 30% discount.

So while we would bring in this rule now it won't actually affect anyone's caps for a few seasons. Teams can now plan for the rule and everyone is on a level playing field.

only thing i dislike about the idea though

are we over complicating things too much

[Jay]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

Im not saying the rule isnt valid. Its just not fair to introduce once we have built around existing rules. Realistically we built our teams in 2012 with those rules in place, any rule change (baring sub) will be unjustly unfair to some teams

Why don't we start the rule now then and not retrospectively apply it to any players.

So, from now on in anyone who was on your list at the end of the 2015 season before trading (so including the two new teams when they have drafted their teams) starts to count towards being home-grown.

Then once they've been on your list for X number of seasons they start to count a bit less for your cap. Maybe it could be a sliding scale where if you've been on the list for 3 years you get a 10% discount and then for each subsequent year an extra 2% discount up to a maximum of say 20 or 30% discount.

So while we would bring in this rule now it won't actually affect anyone's caps for a few seasons. Teams can now plan for the rule and everyone is on a level playing field.

only thing i dislike about the idea though

are we over complicating things too much

Yes.

[Memphistopheles]

It sounds a lot more complicated than it is.

I like having player loyalty or clubs being defined by certain players.

For example JPK is synonymous with Cape Town as will Blicavs be in a few more seasons.

And then there's Goldstein and Dublin, Pendles and Toronto (although this will sadly end) and many more.

I think clubs should be rewarded for their loyalty for players. And, I like the fact people will agonise even more over whether to trade a guy they've had for a while because he gets a cap discount.

In real life fans don't want to see their favourite players leave the nest and this rule will help replicate that.

[Nige]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

Im not saying the rule isnt valid. Its just not fair to introduce once we have built around existing rules. Realistically we built our teams in 2012 with those rules in place, any rule change (baring sub) will be unjustly unfair to some teams

Why don't we start the rule now then and not retrospectively apply it to any players.

So, from now on in anyone who was on your list at the end of the 2015 season before trading (so including the two new teams when they have drafted their teams) starts to count towards being home-grown.

Then once they've been on your list for X number of seasons they start to count a bit less for your cap. Maybe it could be a sliding scale where if you've been on the list for 3 years you get a 10% discount and then for each subsequent year an extra 2% discount up to a maximum of say 20 or 30% discount.

So while we would bring in this rule now it won't actually affect anyone's caps for a few seasons. Teams can now plan for the rule and everyone is on a level playing field.

only thing i dislike about the idea though

are we over complicating things too much

Yes.

[Jukes]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

Im not saying the rule isnt valid. Its just not fair to introduce once we have built around existing rules. Realistically we built our teams in 2012 with those rules in place, any rule change (baring sub) will be unjustly unfair to some teams

Why don't we start the rule now then and not retrospectively apply it to any players.

So, from now on in anyone who was on your list at the end of the 2015 season before trading (so including the two new teams when they have drafted their teams) starts to count towards being home-grown.

Then once they've been on your list for X number of seasons they start to count a bit less for your cap. Maybe it could be a sliding scale where if you've been on the list for 3 years you get a 10% discount and then for each subsequent year an extra 2% discount up to a maximum of say 20 or 30% discount.

So while we would bring in this rule now it won't actually affect anyone's caps for a few seasons. Teams can now plan for the rule and everyone is on a level playing field.

only thing i dislike about the idea though

are we over complicating things too much

Yes.

[meow meow]

The discount thing isn't that complicated but it's probably best to leave things the way they are on that front.

But Libba should not be worth 0 points or else the cap is useless. True?

[Holz]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

Im not saying the rule isnt valid. Its just not fair to introduce once we have built around existing rules. Realistically we built our teams in 2012 with those rules in place, any rule change (baring sub) will be unjustly unfair to some teams

Why don't we start the rule now then and not retrospectively apply it to any players.

So, from now on in anyone who was on your list at the end of the 2015 season before trading (so including the two new teams when they have drafted their teams) starts to count towards being home-grown.

Then once they've been on your list for X number of seasons they start to count a bit less for your cap. Maybe it could be a sliding scale where if you've been on the list for 3 years you get a 10% discount and then for each subsequent year an extra 2% discount up to a maximum of say 20 or 30% discount.

So while we would bring in this rule now it won't actually affect anyone's caps for a few seasons. Teams can now plan for the rule and everyone is on a level playing field.

see this i have no issue with. Because it only affects future decisions not past decisions. Would mean i keep my list more in tact.

In terms of the injury thing, you could argue it does give an advantage to teams with injured players however, they have been disadvantaged all year by not having him.

look at New York, libba out all year really hurt them, but I paid a premium for his zero cap so it lessens the blow abit. So if the rule was to change it should be at the end of next year.

[Holz]

The discount thing isn't that complicated but it's probably best to leave things the way they are on that front.

But Libba should not be worth 0 points or else the cap is useless. True?

False as i just stated, libba out all year hurt New York and I paid a premium for that low cap. Its why I traded out tmac and mundy two high cap players which should help New York imensly for a guy who could have a slow year.

you dont know what a serious injury will do to someone, he might miss games next year, he might drop his average dramatically.

If i go under the cap because of the zero, then next year he goes big then i will have to deal with that in the cap. So there you go there is the cap coming into play.

As i said if you want to change the rule it should be the end of next year.

[ossie85]

I paid a premium for that low cap.

Nobody has paid anything yet.

[Toga]

I paid a premium for that low cap.

Nobody has paid anything yet.

This haha trade period hasn't even opened so no one has paid anything  ;)

[Holz]

I paid a premium for that low cap.

Nobody has paid anything yet.

Fine I will pay a premium.

Point stands

[ossie85]

I paid a premium for that low cap.

Nobody has paid anything yet.

Fine I will pay a premium.

Point stands

And that would be your choice, knowing the rules.

[Holz]

Where is the line?  rocky missed half the season. Do we count half or his score last year?

Why shouldnt high draft picks count in the cap?

They played the same amount of games as Libba.  Most come out scoring well