2015 WXV Awards and 2015 Rules Discussion

[Purple 77]

Purps should we say all rule suggestions need to be in by Sunday so vote can be sent out Monday?

All rule suggestions need to be in by Sunday so vote can be sent out Monday

[PowerBug]

Now if you want to make it like the AFL you should impose penalties for anyone caught talking trades before the season is finished. ;) That would make people sit quietly and wait their turn :)

[Holz]

I have my rucks set and I will vote for a 75% ruck.

and I had OOP ruck most of the year and will vote the opposite. There goes your theory holz...

I didn't say everyone.

Ill be voting for whatever is the simplest rule no matter if it hurts or helps dublin.

here is quote for you

"liberalism for this reason restricts deliberate control of the overall order of society to the enforcement of such general rules as are necessary for the formation of spontaneous order, the details of which we cannot forsee"

F.A Hayek, Rules and Order

it basically means a free society is not one without rules or government power, but one in which government itself is limited by predictable rules.

[ossie85]

I have my rucks set and I will vote for a 75% ruck.

and I had OOP ruck most of the year and will vote the opposite. There goes your theory holz...

I didn't say everyone.

Ill be voting for whatever is the simplest rule no matter if it hurts or helps dublin.

here is quote for you

"liberalism for this reason restricts deliberate control of the overall order of society to the enforcement of such general rules as are necessary for the formation of spontaneous order, the details of which we cannot forsee"

F.A Hayek, Rules and Order

it basically means a free society is not one without rules or government power, but one in which government itself is limited by predictable rules.

seriously Holz? What a weird thing to say. This isn't Soviet Russia, Communist China or capitalist USA. This isn't even a society. This is a game. I can see you are frustrated, but seriously we're just having fun.

[Ringo]

Just throwing in a red herring here but is there any merit increasing the number of times flood and attack can be used to say 5.  Also should there be a restriction on the number of times resting can be used. Do not care either way but just thought some discussion may be worth while before Sunday.

[RaisyDaisy]

Just throwing in a red herring here but is there any merit increasing the number of times flood and attack can be used to say 5.  Also should there be a restriction on the number of times resting can be used. Do not care either way but just thought some discussion may be worth while before Sunday.

What is currently? 3 times each?

That's enough IMO. I think we used the flood/attack option once this year

#makesureyoudraftdepth

[Holz]

I have my rucks set and I will vote for a 75% ruck.

and I had OOP ruck most of the year and will vote the opposite. There goes your theory holz...

I didn't say everyone.

Ill be voting for whatever is the simplest rule no matter if it hurts or helps dublin.

here is quote for you

"liberalism for this reason restricts deliberate control of the overall order of society to the enforcement of such general rules as are necessary for the formation of spontaneous order, the details of which we cannot forsee"

F.A Hayek, Rules and Order

it basically means a free society is not one without rules or government power, but one in which government itself is limited by predictable rules.

seriously Holz? What a weird thing to say. This isn't Soviet Russia, Communist China or capitalist USA. This isn't even a society. This is a game. I can see you are frustrated, but seriously we're just having fun.

I was going for more interesting then weird. Just a fun way of showing my opinion.

Definitely different humour

[DazBurg]

The points cap is pretty much useless if teams just trade in injured players.

I can see the merit behind the best of the previous 2 years being the one that counts but I don't think previous seasons should have as much influence as the one just gone.

Libba is a gun with 0 points. That's not exactly an accurate representation of his value. But neither is making him worth full points since he's no certainty to bounce back to that level. I think we should count whichever is higher out of 90% of 2014 scores vs 100% of 2015 scores. A guy like Rocky shouldn't be worth the full 100% of his 2014 output because he's no certainty to get back to those astonishing levels ever again.

its the system though. I guess it kind of helps teams with injured players.

If it wasn't for the cap i wouldn't be trading in Liberatore i would have kept Tmac + Mundy.

as I have said the cap just distorts reality and causes mis pricing.

Which is why I am very for the home-grown players costing less cap points rule that was mooted.

If you draft a player then if they've been on your list for X number of years (lets say 3 seasons) they get a 10/20/30% discount when determining your cap.

reckon this is a great idea

[Levi434]

The points cap is pretty much useless if teams just trade in injured players.

I can see the merit behind the best of the previous 2 years being the one that counts but I don't think previous seasons should have as much influence as the one just gone.

Libba is a gun with 0 points. That's not exactly an accurate representation of his value. But neither is making him worth full points since he's no certainty to bounce back to that level. I think we should count whichever is higher out of 90% of 2014 scores vs 100% of 2015 scores. A guy like Rocky shouldn't be worth the full 100% of his 2014 output because he's no certainty to get back to those astonishing levels ever again.

its the system though. I guess it kind of helps teams with injured players.

If it wasn't for the cap i wouldn't be trading in Liberatore i would have kept Tmac + Mundy.

as I have said the cap just distorts reality and causes mis pricing.

Which is why I am very for the home-grown players costing less cap points rule that was mooted.

If you draft a player then if they've been on your list for X number of years (lets say 3 seasons) they get a 10/20/30% discount when determining your cap.

reckon this is a great idea

I like this idea also but how would it work for Rio, Christchurch and the 2 new teams?

[Purple 77]

The points cap is pretty much useless if teams just trade in injured players.

I can see the merit behind the best of the previous 2 years being the one that counts but I don't think previous seasons should have as much influence as the one just gone.

Libba is a gun with 0 points. That's not exactly an accurate representation of his value. But neither is making him worth full points since he's no certainty to bounce back to that level. I think we should count whichever is higher out of 90% of 2014 scores vs 100% of 2015 scores. A guy like Rocky shouldn't be worth the full 100% of his 2014 output because he's no certainty to get back to those astonishing levels ever again.

its the system though. I guess it kind of helps teams with injured players.

If it wasn't for the cap i wouldn't be trading in Liberatore i would have kept Tmac + Mundy.

as I have said the cap just distorts reality and causes mis pricing.

Which is why I am very for the home-grown players costing less cap points rule that was mooted.

If you draft a player then if they've been on your list for X number of years (lets say 3 seasons) they get a 10/20/30% discount when determining your cap.

reckon this is a great idea

I like this idea also but how would it work for Rio, Christchurch and the 2 new teams?

Could just say if a player whom has been on your list for two straight years, gets a 5% discount. 3 years 10% etc?

So at the end of next year, when the rule will be implemented (if voted for), that means Christchurch & Rio will have such players?

[Holz]

The points cap is pretty much useless if teams just trade in injured players.

I can see the merit behind the best of the previous 2 years being the one that counts but I don't think previous seasons should have as much influence as the one just gone.

Libba is a gun with 0 points. That's not exactly an accurate representation of his value. But neither is making him worth full points since he's no certainty to bounce back to that level. I think we should count whichever is higher out of 90% of 2014 scores vs 100% of 2015 scores. A guy like Rocky shouldn't be worth the full 100% of his 2014 output because he's no certainty to get back to those astonishing levels ever again.

its the system though. I guess it kind of helps teams with injured players.

If it wasn't for the cap i wouldn't be trading in Liberatore i would have kept Tmac + Mundy.

as I have said the cap just distorts reality and causes mis pricing.

Which is why I am very for the home-grown players costing less cap points rule that was mooted.

If you draft a player then if they've been on your list for X number of years (lets say 3 seasons) they get a 10/20/30% discount when determining your cap.

reckon this is a great idea

I like this idea also but how would it work for Rio, Christchurch and the 2 new teams?

Could just say if a player whom has been on your list for two straight years, gets a 5% discount. 3 years 10% etc?

So at the end of next year, when the rule will be implemented (if voted for), that means Christchurch & Rio will have such players?

again this is unfair for coaches who didnt know about this rule and are now disadvantaged for trading and moving players around. You could argue the reverse that trading is part of the game and teams that dont participate much are not as good for the comp. So penalise them for holding onto players.

why is it that drafting is rewarded and trading should be punished. Thats bogus. My strategy is around brining in guys in their early 20s and taking punts on them.

Gray, Boak, Rance, Goldy, Walters etc... how come this strategy is now planned to be punished.

[DazBurg]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

[Holz]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

Im not saying the rule isnt valid. Its just not fair to introduce once we have built around existing rules. Realistically we built our teams in 2012 with those rules in place, any rule change (baring sub) will be unjustly unfair to some teams

[DazBurg]

But again i hear everyone says it is based on the AFL so how many teams have a completely different lost in 2 years as meow pointed out

Kinda too much revolving doors for what is classed as based on AFL

Im not saying the rule isnt valid. Its just not fair to introduce once we have built around existing rules. Realistically we built our teams in 2012 with those rules in place, any rule change (baring sub) will be unjustly unfair to some teams

true but because it is unfair we leave it in place?

what about rules that are unfair already

(injured players as an example)

will they be changed then?

[DazBurg]

btw when discussing this i'm like you holz we at PNL are actually benefiting form the injury rule atm (shiel, myers etc)

so not a case of sour grapes etc just think it is silly though