2015 WXV Awards and 2015 Rules Discussion

Started by ossie85, August 07, 2015, 05:09:44 PM

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Holz

Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Saad isn't the Suns #1 defender though, Hogan is the Dees #1 forward taking the best defender each week

im talking Supercoach.

I wouldn't give Saad the actual rising star. Thats clearly Jesse Hogan in my books.


ossie85

Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Saad isn't the Suns #1 defender though, Hogan is the Dees #1 forward taking the best defender each week

im talking Supercoach.

I wouldn't give Saad the actual rising star. Thats clearly Jesse Hogan in my books.

I'm talking supercoach also

Holz

Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Saad isn't the Suns #1 defender though, Hogan is the Dees #1 forward taking the best defender each week

im talking Supercoach.

I wouldn't give Saad the actual rising star. Thats clearly Jesse Hogan in my books.

I'm talking supercoach also

Why does number 1 defender matter then. I thought sc scoring was all that matered

ossie85

Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Saad isn't the Suns #1 defender though, Hogan is the Dees #1 forward taking the best defender each week

im talking Supercoach.

I wouldn't give Saad the actual rising star. Thats clearly Jesse Hogan in my books.

I'm talking supercoach also

Why does number 1 defender matter then. I thought sc scoring was all that matered

because the opponent you are on impacts your score


Holz

Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 01:30:49 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 12:51:19 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 12:43:54 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 12:23:57 PM
Quote from: ossie85 on August 17, 2015, 12:16:13 PM
Saad isn't the Suns #1 defender though, Hogan is the Dees #1 forward taking the best defender each week

im talking Supercoach.

I wouldn't give Saad the actual rising star. Thats clearly Jesse Hogan in my books.

I'm talking supercoach also

Why does number 1 defender matter then. I thought sc scoring was all that matered

because the opponent you are on impacts your score

correct but isnt it removed from AFL completely. So even if your a jet AFL player and you score poorly than your a Worlds spud.

once we start taking into account AFL apsects than its not worlds anymore. For example Alex Rance should be a shot at the world medal then. Gun SC defender who has to play on the key forward week in week out and beats them.

Jroo

I'll nominate Brett Deledio


Went after him last year and paid a bit for him. But he's repaid the faith averaging 112 points. He's become the #1 averaging fwd in the comp and my #1 player. Even better, he will keep DPP for next season.

Also no Lids = no Suns, losing 3/5 games (beating NDT and Pacific)

Memphistopheles

I'm not surprised that we have three nominations for the All-Worlds squad.

We've have five guys pretty much carrying our team all year - Martin, Blicavs, JPK, Cotchin and Higgins.

After them it drops away significantly which is our issue. Probably 10 points or more between Higgins and the next best average.

RaisyDaisy

Good to see 2 noms for NY

In terms of the Rising Star, Hogan is the clear standout and deserving winner

Cripps has been awesome, as have many others, but seriously to come in first year and play the position of Full Forward like he has is nothing short of remarkable

Holz

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 17, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Good to see 2 noms for NY

In terms of the Rising Star, Hogan is the clear standout and deserving winner

Cripps has been awesome, as have many others, but seriously to come in first year and play the position of Full Forward like he has is nothing short of remarkable

are we talking fantays or AFL here?


GoLions

I prefer Saad over Hogan in terms of fantasy

But obviously Daniel Andrews beats them both

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 03:03:02 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 17, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Good to see 2 noms for NY

In terms of the Rising Star, Hogan is the clear standout and deserving winner

Cripps has been awesome, as have many others, but seriously to come in first year and play the position of Full Forward like he has is nothing short of remarkable

are we talking fantays or AFL here?

I'm talking AFL, which is all that really matters in terms of the award but for a SC Worlds Rising Star Award which we would have to base off SC performances then it has to be Cripps doesn't it?

Holz

Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 17, 2015, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 03:03:02 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 17, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Good to see 2 noms for NY

In terms of the Rising Star, Hogan is the clear standout and deserving winner

Cripps has been awesome, as have many others, but seriously to come in first year and play the position of Full Forward like he has is nothing short of remarkable

are we talking fantays or AFL here?

I'm talking AFL, which is all that really matters in terms of the award but for a SC Worlds Rising Star Award which we would have to base off SC performances then it has to be Cripps doesn't it?

strongly disagree with cripps. I did an analysis on it

Hogan only played 2 more games and is only averaging 0.5 more.
Cripps only played 1 more game and is averaging less than 8 more.

82 from a defender is huge.

those averages would have;

Saad 31st best defender
Hogan 44th best defender
Cripps 123rd best mid if you count DPP mids. If you take pure mids than still 90+

meow meow

Have to take the 3 P's into account. Position, Performance, Potential.

Saad the best performed in his position, but do the other two have more potential improvement left in them?

But as Dave said, the Premier trumps them all.

RaisyDaisy

Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 04:23:08 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 17, 2015, 03:47:03 PM
Quote from: Holz on August 17, 2015, 03:03:02 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on August 17, 2015, 03:00:56 PM
Good to see 2 noms for NY

In terms of the Rising Star, Hogan is the clear standout and deserving winner

Cripps has been awesome, as have many others, but seriously to come in first year and play the position of Full Forward like he has is nothing short of remarkable

are we talking fantays or AFL here?

I'm talking AFL, which is all that really matters in terms of the award but for a SC Worlds Rising Star Award which we would have to base off SC performances then it has to be Cripps doesn't it?

strongly disagree with cripps. I did an analysis on it

Hogan only played 2 more games and is only averaging 0.5 more.
Cripps only played 1 more game and is averaging less than 8 more.

82 from a defender is huge.

those averages would have;

Saad 31st best defender
Hogan 44th best defender
Cripps 123rd best mid if you count DPP mids. If you take pure mids than still 90+

Now I'm confused

Saad is averaging 80 and Cripps nearly 96.

Toga

Ossie's post above ^^^ has the WXV games played and also WXV average listed - so the average is based purely upon WXV games, doesn't count games that they were left out.