2015 WXV Awards and 2015 Rules Discussion

[Ricochet]

A very worthy nominee Meow - he's been super this year

In regards to rule changes, we kind of touched on this earlier in another thread, but I would personally like to see a change made to Ruck OOP

The way I see it, we have two options. We can either reduce the OOP penalty or bring in something new

When I say something new, we already have the option to flood or attack, so we should have another option which allows us to go without a ruck. We can flood and attack on lines that have heaps of players, yet the one line that most of us have just 1, maybe 2 rucks who actually play we cant do anything for except cop OOP, and when you're faced with OOP, let alone OOP and HGA against, it's too hard to win for most of us

I think HGA is a different argument - but a bunch of people had issues with OOP - I mean Nige had to play three OOP MIDFIELDERS this round just gone. That's just crazy.

Purple - are you able to say how many games ruckmen (not just WXV games, AFL games) played this year in total across the 17 WXV rounds? If it is say under 459 (1.5 games per team per round) I think we're in trouble, otherwise I'm kind of on the side of still having it. It isn't like it isn't realistic - just look at Essendon :(

Yeh agree Oss. There's got to be a penalty for not having an actual ruckman play ruck

[Purple 77]

Appreciate the effort in the nominations oz!

And the amount of AFL games ruckmen has played over the 17 WXV rounds was 431.

[Toga]

We've had a few big improvers this year that we can attribute our rise up the ladder to - guys like Jacko Thurlow, Josh Caddy and Lachie Neale have all increased their averages by close to 20 points per game this year, while others like Cale Hooker have really come into their skin and showed elite scoring ability. But there's one bloke who's improvement has been astounding, and just demands to be our nomination for the coaches award!

Tom Bell has transformed himself from a run-of-the-mill midfielder on the scrapheap to an elite forward for the Thunder this year. Acquired in a trade with the New Dehli Tigers near the end of the off-season for not much of a loss, which was easily our best trade of the period, Bell has boosted his average from a measly 64 (which he was consistent in averaging for the first 3 years of his career) to a very solid 88, ranked 32nd among forwards.

[Vinny]

Our coaches award will go to Sir Easton Wood.

In what was a disaaponiting year for the Dillos , the 25 year old stepped up as the general in defence posting an average of 87. Wood played all but one game and managed a solid 10 scores of 85 and above with 6 of them cracking the tonne. After a mere 68 average in 2014, Easton was on the brink of leaving the club but following a plea to earn his place, he was held and he flowering delivered.

[meow meow]

I think the fixture worked great this year and made for an exciting end to the season. Big thumbs up.

1 - Don't really like this one if the fixture difficulty is applied as it advantages the very best teams too much. Dublin are going to beat Buenos Aires so they could take the hit early but later on the team that finished 6th the year before basically has no chance vs a 110% Dublin.

2 - Not a huge fan, but why not? I don't know how many teams would use it.

3 - Maybe a 10% discount for players who miss the entire season?

4 - No issue with this as long as the % penalty at one end matches the bonus at the other end.

5 - Could work but you'd have to be unlucky to come up against a team playing in the wet. The strategy aspect outweighs the luck so I'd be all for it.

6 - FF has the TOG % so any player that plays less than 50% gametime could be considered as being subbed off in WXV? Losing a WXV match due to an injury sucks so I'd be for keeping some form of the sub rule.

7 - I still think that players who have previously had ruck status in SC shouldn't cop the full 50% penalty. Maybe only 25% for the likes of Vickery who could easily ruck in the AFL again?

8 - I like it.

9 - Strongly against the trading of future picks.

10 - Is there any way of seeing how many times this would have applied this year? Quirky but I like it.

[Holz]

Jelly wasn't able to make it 3 Dublin medals in a row.

The man who took it out, just wasn't the best player at Dublin, he was the best player in the compl and he did it all not as a midfielder. From a very very good 107 last year he pumped that up to a 131 average, from every single game played.

He had an amazing 15/18 100+ scores.

but what is more scary 6/18 or 33% of his games at 150 or more including the 221 point masterclass.

I give you the best player in the World

Goldstein a worthy nomination, but just pointing out (you might know anyway) that this is the Coaches Award, not the best and fairest, so it isn't your best player necessary, just a guy who deserves special mention. I would've thought Tom McDonald (particularly at the beginning of the year) would've been yours. But no criteria!

I thought it was best and fairest but Goldy wins the coaches award aswell.

Tmac was close but a 24 point jump from 107 to 131 was just too good. In a year where my C and VC in Jelly and Sloane fell away he saved my season.

Tmac going 70 to 96 is a massive massive effort and easily the second place getter with Lachy hansen being injured most of the year so needing the cover.

Thompson and Mundy would be 3rd and 4th.

[meow meow]

Also, I think that players originally drafted to your club should get some % discount in the points cap. Everyone wants to trade their picks away for instant improvement but a loyalty bonus should exist.

[Purple 77]

Also, I think that players originally drafted to your club should get some % discount in the points cap. Everyone wants to trade their picks away for instant improvement but a loyalty bonus should exist.

I like this rule! Potentially that % could work both ways, depending on what end of the cap you are on?

[ossie85]

Thanks meow for the comments :)

1 - Don't really like this one if the fixture difficulty is applied as it advantages the very best teams too much. Dublin are going to beat Buenos Aires so they could take the hit early but later on the team that finished 6th the year before basically has no chance vs a 110% Dublin.

That's interesting because I was thinking opposite... Let's say the Cairo gives themselves a 10% boost for the first 4 weeks of the season, and Dublin a 15% decrease... all of a sudden Cairo are a shot at winning.

3 - Maybe a 10% discount for players who miss the entire season?

Yeah, that sounds interesting

4 - No issue with this as long as the % penalty at one end matches the bonus at the other end.

Good point, might have to tweak the percentages a bit

6 - FF has the TOG % so any player that plays less than 50% gametime could be considered as being subbed off in WXV? Losing a WXV match due to an injury sucks so I'd be for keeping some form of the sub rule.

I know it is unlikely these days, but what if a player is on the bench for 50% of the time because he is just having a sucky day? But I don't think that'd be a deal breaker. Administration might be a bit tough though.

7 - I still think that players who have previously had ruck status in SC shouldn't cop the full 50% penalty. Maybe only 25% for the likes of Vickery who could easily ruck in the AFL again?

Not really against that

10 - Is there any way of seeing how many times this would have applied this year? Quirky but I like it.

I might have to borrow Purps spreadsheet!

[meow meow]

Also, I think that players originally drafted to your club should get some % discount in the points cap. Everyone wants to trade their picks away for instant improvement but a loyalty bonus should exist.

I like this rule! Potentially that % could work both ways, depending on what end of the cap you are on?

Yep, when Andrews, Steele, Lever and McLean are dominating I should get a little relief since I was willing to take the risk and head to the draft, and on the other end NDT shouldn't have to trade spuds in just to make up the cap when McCartin and Heeney aren't going to stay low for long.

[Holz]

Also, I think that players originally drafted to your club should get some % discount in the points cap. Everyone wants to trade their picks away for instant improvement but a loyalty bonus should exist.

I like this rule! Potentially that % could work both ways, depending on what end of the cap you are on?

Yep, when Andrews, Steele, Lever and McLean are dominating I should get a little relief since I was willing to take the risk and head to the draft, and on the other end NDT shouldn't have to trade spuds in just to make up the cap when McCartin and Heeney aren't going to stay low for long.

the issue in all of these is implementing the rule after we have planned our teams with the rules in place. I dont like any rules but thats not because they arent good but because people planned their teams with the exisiting rule. Teams like yours who have drafted are hugely advantaged under this system than teams who traded there way to the top.

[meow meow]

Also, I think that players originally drafted to your club should get some % discount in the points cap. Everyone wants to trade their picks away for instant improvement but a loyalty bonus should exist.

I like this rule! Potentially that % could work both ways, depending on what end of the cap you are on?

Yep, when Andrews, Steele, Lever and McLean are dominating I should get a little relief since I was willing to take the risk and head to the draft, and on the other end NDT shouldn't have to trade spuds in just to make up the cap when McCartin and Heeney aren't going to stay low for long.

the issue in all of these is implementing the rule after we have planned our teams with the rules in place. I dont like any rules but thats not because they arent good but because people planned their teams with the exisiting rule. Teams like yours who have drafted are hugely advantaged under this system than teams who traded there way to the top.

There's nothing to stop you from trading some of your players for picks. We could bring the rule in for players drafted from 2015 onwards if you're so worried about it advantaging some teams more than others.

[ossie85]

Also, I think that players originally drafted to your club should get some % discount in the points cap. Everyone wants to trade their picks away for instant improvement but a loyalty bonus should exist.

I like this rule! Potentially that % could work both ways, depending on what end of the cap you are on?

Yep, when Andrews, Steele, Lever and McLean are dominating I should get a little relief since I was willing to take the risk and head to the draft, and on the other end NDT shouldn't have to trade spuds in just to make up the cap when McCartin and Heeney aren't going to stay low for long.

Nobody has to trade in players, the min cap is there to stop teams from investing in the future to much like the teams did after season 1

[Hellopplz]

Also, I think that players originally drafted to your club should get some % discount in the points cap. Everyone wants to trade their picks away for instant improvement but a loyalty bonus should exist.

I like this rule! Potentially that % could work both ways, depending on what end of the cap you are on?

I too am for this rule. Will make teams more likely keep players across seasons to potentially get that discount for their cap and more likely to keep these players. Not like we see insane amount of list changes in regular AFL teams.

And think this is the season PNL's run of Coaches Award Winners end, unless we can still sneak in a winner :D. We have a few worthy of a nomination, so just need to narrow it down!

[Jukes]

David Armitage for us

Traded him in off a 93 average hoping for a 100-ish guy who can fill up a utility spot, his 110 average has really helped cover the losses of Jaeger and Greeny and locked him in as third-mid and CC option.

Second in the B&F too