2015 WXV Awards and 2015 Rules Discussion

[Holz]

Can anyone think of a solution for restings. Perhaps start a round earlier?

A player getting 90% of their average if a clear resting?

not sure it just seems abit silly to have one team all year then 5-6 guys out who arent injured just because its round 23.

I know most people will say deal with it, but its something to think about.

Mexico could have mass restings as well and it just doesnt feel like a grandfinal with Dublin B against Mexcio B

[ossie85]

Can anyone think of a solution for restings. Perhaps start a round earlier?

A player getting 90% of their average if a clear resting?

not sure it just seems abit silly to have one team all year then 5-6 guys out who arent injured just because its round 23.

I know most people will say deal with it, but its something to think about.

Mexico could have mass restings as well and it just doesnt feel like a grandfinal with Dublin B against Mexcio B

Might struggle to start in round zero, assuming same fixture the only way around it is two matches across bye rounds. Which would syck a lot and be confusing (would be 2 games running concurrently)

[Holz]

Can anyone think of a solution for restings. Perhaps start a round earlier?

A player getting 90% of their average if a clear resting?

not sure it just seems abit silly to have one team all year then 5-6 guys out who arent injured just because its round 23.

I know most people will say deal with it, but its something to think about.

Mexico could have mass restings as well and it just doesnt feel like a grandfinal with Dublin B against Mexcio B

Might struggle to start in round zero, assuming same fixture the only way around it is two matches across bye rounds. Which would syck a lot and be confusing (would be 2 games running concurrently)

it would be complicated but possible.

was quite annoying seeing a guy go 150 and not counting for my team. missing the last round only affects two teams not 18. So probably a more fair representation of the season.

[ossie85]

Of course if the AFL didn't let teams tank that'd be dandy.North deliberately trying to lose to gain an advantage

[Holz]

Of course if the AFL didn't let teams tank that'd be dandy.North deliberately trying to lose to gain an advantage

I dont think we are losing on purposes. I think its more we dont care if we win or lose, that different to trying to lose.

We have nothing to gain by winning and something to gain be resting (not losing)


agreed the AFL shouldnt let it happen as the outcome does matter to Tigers Crows Dogs, just not North

[ossie85]

Of course if the AFL didn't let teams tank that'd be dandy.North deliberately trying to lose to gain an advantage

I dont think we are losing on purposes. I think its more we dont care if we win or lose, that different to trying to lose.

We have nothing to gain by winning and something to gain be resting (not losing)


agreed the AFL shouldnt let it happen as the outcome does matter to Tigers Crows Dogs, just not North

lose stay in Melbourne, win might go to South Australia

shocking decision by AFL, Freo was bad enough

[Nige]

Of course if the AFL didn't let teams tank that'd be dandy.North deliberately trying to lose to gain an advantage

Yep, really stupid. They don't want to travel to Adelaide and so they're ensuring it doens't happen.

Honestly, even though some other comps had their grand final last week, I think it's tough luck if you have players being rested. You should have depth to cover the issue, same with injuries and suspensions.

Holz, I'd be surprised if you'd be caring so much if teams like the Giants and the Suns were resting because you don't even have any best XV players from those teams.

JROO's clearly not that fussed about it, but you're up in arms because the fantasy world isn't perfect for Dublin to win and stroke your ego some more.

[Holz]

Of course if the AFL didn't let teams tank that'd be dandy.North deliberately trying to lose to gain an advantage

Yep, really stupid. They don't want to travel to Adelaide and so they're ensuring it doens't happen.

Honestly, even though some other comps had their grand final last week, I think it's tough luck if you have players being rested. You should have depth to cover the issue, same with injuries and suspensions.

Holz, I'd be surprised if you'd be caring so much if teams like the Giants and the Suns were resting because you don't even have any best XV players from those teams.

JROO's clearly not that fussed about it, but you're up in arms because the fantasy world isn't perfect for Dublin to win and stroke your ego some more.

I cant even say anything with out getting attacked.

try to say something to help Beijing, people just focus on Dublin
mention the biggest issue in the afl this week and people focus on Dublin.

Honestly, even though some other comps had their grand final last week, I think it's tough luck if you have players being rested. You should have depth to cover the issue, same with injuries and suspensions.

No i should not have depth to cover 5-6 starters in my team, if i did people would have a go saying im stocking up on all these guys on the bench.

Holz, I'd be surprised if you'd be caring so much if teams like the Giants and the Suns were resting because you don't even have any best XV players from those teams.

JROO's clearly not that fussed about it, but you're up in arms because the fantasy world isn't perfect for Dublin to win and stroke your ego some more.

im talking about the future and i think that GWS actually could be in serious finals contention next year so they could be resting players aswell.

Im going to address it in the Euro and already had people saying perhaps we should start the season earlier. As you know I didnt even make the finals in the Euro and probably wont next year either. Yet im still planning to make the grand final round 22 or even round 21.

We dont know if my players are resting or Mexico's for that matter. I tell you this is Christchurch made the grandfinal I would be unhappy about Sandi getting rested for them. I would want to face a full strengh team and beat them, just like Christchurch did to me in the champs. I had almost my best team on the park and lost. Thats the way a grand final should be played.

I cant speak for Jroo but if i was him i would want Dublin as strong as possible. He can still beat me full strengh so for me it would be a dampner beating a weak Dublin when you have the team to beat a full strength Dublin.


Yep, really stupid. They don't want to travel to Adelaide and so they're ensuring it doens't happen.

Are you trying to tell me you think the lions can beat the Dogs?

we are playing Richmond or Dogs next week in Melbourne, you can have a issue with what north did if Crows beat Geelong and Lions beat Dogs.

[meow meow]

I tell you this is Christchurch made the grandfinal I would be unhappy about Sandi getting rested for them. I would want to face a full strengh team and beat them, just like Christchurch did to me in the champs. I had almost my best team on the park and lost. Thats the way a grand final should be played.

You had your best team in and lost? I had Bryce Gibbs, Sam Mitchell and Tom Scully out of my best XV. Their replacements in Vandenberg, Clay Smith and Ryan Lester were also out injured.

If it was this week I'd lose Sandi but get Mitchell back so basically no difference. It doesn't matter what round the grand final is in, you need to plan for this shower every week of the year.

You chose to stack your team with stars and limited depth. Your choice. Your consequences. It's a list management decision that every team needs to consider. Do I make my best XV almost unbeatable but vulnerable to injury/suspension/restings, or do I slightly weaken by best XV and have some cover? Your chose the former. Deal with it :P

[ossie85]

Still pretty unlucky

[Holz]

I tell you this is Christchurch made the grandfinal I would be unhappy about Sandi getting rested for them. I would want to face a full strengh team and beat them, just like Christchurch did to me in the champs. I had almost my best team on the park and lost. Thats the way a grand final should be played.

You had your best team in and lost? I had Bryce Gibbs, Sam Mitchell and Tom Scully out of my best XV. Their replacements in Vandenberg, Clay Smith and Ryan Lester were also out injured.

If it was this week I'd lose Sandi but get Mitchell back so basically no difference. It doesn't matter what round the grand final is in, you need to plan for this shower every week of the year.

You chose to stack your team with stars and limited depth. Your choice. Your consequences. It's a list management decision that every team needs to consider. Do I make my best XV almost unbeatable but vulnerable to injury/suspension/restings, or do I slightly weaken by best XV and have some cover? Your chose the former. Deal with it :P

I had my best team (minus injuries) and lost, so your victory was completely earned.

there is a difference between Gibbs Mitchell, Smith, Vanderberg, Lester and Scully being injured and Mundy Goldy NDS being rested.

As always people need to stop focusing on Dublin, you guys seem to care more about Dublin then I do. Im talking a general rule discussion. I might not make the grandfinal next year, if im watching it and its Mexico v Christchurch (which could have happened this year) i would hate to see teams depleted by resting.

I have cover to deal with it so dont worry about Dublin. i worry about it going forward for the comp though. Im addressing it in the Euro.

for once can people think about the comp and not Dublin.

[meow meow]

Still pretty unlucky

Any more unlucky than Sam Mitchell getting sick on the friday morning last week? Any more unlucky than having 6 mids injured? Bad luck is a part of this game, always will be.

[Jroo]

Of course if the AFL didn't let teams tank that'd be dandy.North deliberately trying to lose to gain an advantage

Yep, really stupid. They don't want to travel to Adelaide and so they're ensuring it doens't happen.

Honestly, even though some other comps had their grand final last week, I think it's tough luck if you have players being rested. You should have depth to cover the issue, same with injuries and suspensions.

Holz, I'd be surprised if you'd be caring so much if teams like the Giants and the Suns were resting because you don't even have any best XV players from those teams.

JROO's clearly not that fussed about it, but you're up in arms because the fantasy world isn't perfect for Dublin to win and stroke your ego some more.

Yeah I'm not fussed because I actually have depth  :P

But yes agree with Holz, it's the GF so obviously everyone would love to see the best two teams at full strength

[Memphistopheles]

Of course if the AFL didn't let teams tank that'd be dandy.North deliberately trying to lose to gain an advantage

Yep, really stupid. They don't want to travel to Adelaide and so they're ensuring it doens't happen.

Honestly, even though some other comps had their grand final last week, I think it's tough luck if you have players being rested. You should have depth to cover the issue, same with injuries and suspensions.

Holz, I'd be surprised if you'd be caring so much if teams like the Giants and the Suns were resting because you don't even have any best XV players from those teams.

JROO's clearly not that fussed about it, but you're up in arms because the fantasy world isn't perfect for Dublin to win and stroke your ego some more.

Yeah I'm not fussed because I actually have depth  :P

But yes agree with Holz, it's the GF so obviously everyone would love to see the best two teams at full strength

Posted this in the other thread but, there is a really easy solution.

WXV Grand Final in Round 22.

Play the Rep games in Round 23 where the coaches have an unlimited pool of unrested players to pick from.

It means we play an extra game over the bye rounds which can work like how British did this year. Some player scores from Week 11 and 12 count for one game, scores from 12 and 13 count for the second game and scores from 13 and 14 (not bye round) count for the third game.

[meow meow]

for once can people think about the comp and not Dublin.

That's a bit rich. I was thinking of the competition when I suggested that since teams like Dublin, Mexico City, Christchurch and PNL have maxed out caps that they shouldn't be able to trade in Liberatore and O'Meara without having to give up equal points. You tried to direct the attention towards another team but we're onto you. It shows that you're a good coach for taking advantage of the rule, but the rule is wrong in terms of what is good for the competition.

Under an effective points cap how can TMac and Selwood be worth as much as Fyfe, Beams, Liberatore and JOM?

Dublin can trade TMac for Libba and then go out and get Fyfe too and it'll fit under the cap.
Then you can trade Selwood for JOM and you can get Dayne Beams in as well and it'll all fit under the cap.
Swap a 75 averaging player for Daisy who has limited points and you're laughing.

Do all that and it basically gives you a 34000 cap vs everyone elses 30000.

Obviously you won't get Fyfe but you'll collect depth players like Grundy who you shouldn't be able to afford but can because you've got Libba's 0 points.

Dublin (or Mexico City, or PNL or Christchurch) being unbeatable due to an inequal cap hurts Beijing more than them having to trade Aaron Black would.