WXV Round 14: Seoul face unlikely bogey team

[Holz]

Can I please use this game as an example of how being tall doesnt make you a ruck. Mckernan is about as effective as putting boomer harvey up against goldstein. You neeed to be a ruck to compete not just tall.

[Purple 77]

So... Goldstein has made team of the week. Oh, mercy.

[Holz]

566/3

not a bad start.

your turn cobra strike

[My Chumps]

Wowee, on to next week then!

[My Chumps]

How about if a player gets ruck status in SC they keep it for life in WXV (@ 0.9 if they lose it in SC)? Is anyone really going to feel hard done by that Vickery gets career long DPP? There's nothing stopping him from stepping back into the ruck in the AFL so WXV having the option isn't that unreasonable.

I think that's a pretty decent solution, but I'd probably add that the player needs to have had ruck statues for a season after their rookie year.

I might be wrong but I think Joe Daniher had F/R first season but hasn't really played there since being drafted, consequentially losing it. In such a case I'd argue that he doesn't deserve it for the rest of his career in Worlds.

[DazBurg]

i still think leave it as is

agree
1 people traded hard to have playing rucks so is not fair too them

2 it adds a good strategy to the game in how hard you go for them and also a drafting strategy

3 not every team can be strong in every line (yes i know the point is OOP makes htem terribly weak in that line but as RD said about new york) yes they traded away a lot of rucks (granted they didn't know how blicavs would turn out though he should lose ruck status imo as he averages les hit outs then a lot who played less then him and less then kurt tippett who is non ruck but that is for SC to decide and another matter sorry getting carried away)

anyway i point is i think RD & AK done well to cash in to make there teams stronger so they may get hurt but also having rucks be such a short supply they got a hell of alot more bang for there buck so to speak

P.S yeah we have a few at PNL and still struggle Lobbe doing crap, griffin & campbell in line for 1st game of year finally and Cordy well we were better off with a OOP compared to him...lol....and nauismith not even played......but point is we brough in cambell, & naismith for extra chance of having a ruck and also have kept cordy for this whole time only for the chance of needing a ruck if he got a game

so it is something able to do just means you need to pay up more

take Holz at Dublin for example i can guarantee is goldy done his knee and was out for season no one would care as much they instead would be happy saying it gives everyone else a chance at the flag

i like it the way it is
again i commend the thought process in wanting to grow and improve but also remember it is a great comp already and too much tinkering isn't needed imo at least not for now

a lot of ideas that people come up with could be trialled in a pre season type comp but would rather that at the most atm to see how things pan out (and not for ruck ruling i mean rule changes in general that are not obvious)

PPS: for new york as an example tippett should have a good chance of getting ruck next year if he continues to get hit outs (that or blicavs should lose it imo again rattling on issue for another time)

so they have either another option so it does not happen needing OOP ruck

or 2 talk up the fact he may well be R/F and cash in once again big time

so mean tippet who may usually not really be that "sought" after suddenly become hot property and beneficial so them even though they struggle for a ruck now

so 2 sides to it really

needless prattling rant over :P

[Holz]

i
take Holz at Dublin for example i can guarantee is goldy done his knee and was out for season no one would care as much they instead would be happy saying it gives everyone else a chance at the flag

Im should nearly everyone would love that.

I paid up for Currie and Daw though to stop major pain.

[roo boys!]

i
take Holz at Dublin for example i can guarantee is goldy done his knee and was out for season no one would care as much they instead would be happy saying it gives everyone else a chance at the flag

Im should nearly everyone would love that.

I paid up for Currie and Daw though to stop major pain.

I would most definitely not love that  :(

This VC curse is really pissing me off. Decided to do something different and put it on the ever consistent Jamie Macmillan as a safe option - and of course he gets injured. Hope he's okay cause he was making his way into the top echelon of defenders in this game

Frustrating as the others all went big, but Macmillan's score drags the total down

[Ringo]

i still think leave it as is

agree
1 people traded hard to have playing rucks so is not fair too them

2 it adds a good strategy to the game in how hard you go for them and also a drafting strategy

3 not every team can be strong in every line (yes i know the point is OOP makes htem terribly weak in that line but as RD said about new york) yes they traded away a lot of rucks (granted they didn't know how blicavs would turn out though he should lose ruck status imo as he averages les hit outs then a lot who played less then him and less then kurt tippett who is non ruck but that is for SC to decide and another matter sorry getting carried away)

anyway i point is i think RD & AK done well to cash in to make there teams stronger so they may get hurt but also having rucks be such a short supply they got a hell of alot more bang for there buck so to speak

P.S yeah we have a few at PNL and still struggle Lobbe doing crap, griffin & campbell in line for 1st game of year finally and Cordy well we were better off with a OOP compared to him...lol....and nauismith not even played......but point is we brough in cambell, & naismith for extra chance of having a ruck and also have kept cordy for this whole time only for the chance of needing a ruck if he got a game

so it is something able to do just means you need to pay up more

take Holz at Dublin for example i can guarantee is goldy done his knee and was out for season no one would care as much they instead would be happy saying it gives everyone else a chance at the flag

i like it the way it is
again i commend the thought process in wanting to grow and improve but also remember it is a great comp already and too much tinkering isn't needed imo at least not for now

a lot of ideas that people come up with could be trialled in a pre season type comp but would rather that at the most atm to see how things pan out (and not for ruck ruling i mean rule changes in general that are not obvious)

PPS: for new york as an example tippett should have a good chance of getting ruck next year if he continues to get hit outs (that or blicavs should lose it imo again rattling on issue for another time)

so they have either another option so it does not happen needing OOP ruck

or 2 talk up the fact he may well be R/F and cash in once again big time

so mean tippet who may usually not really be that "sought" after suddenly become hot property and beneficial so them even though they struggle for a ruck now

so 2 sides to it really

needless prattling rant over :P

Have refrained from commenting as I am in two minds.  Using Royals for example I thought having Bellchambers and Giles would be a fair ruck strategy.  How wrong has that been and fortunately have had Sinclair to fall back on.

So just highlighting you can go the one team strategy and fail as well and no I do not want McKernan so back to the drawing board with trades.

So my opinion is that even if you have no rucks playing you should incur the normal OOP penalty despite the fact it may hurt me at the moment.

[ossie85]

Congrats on Dublin's Todd Goldstein coming just the 3rd player to crack the big two-oh-oh

His score of 221 puts him ahead of former New York player, now retired, Dean Cox's 215 in 2012, but behind team-mate Lance Franklin's monster 236 (also in 2012, but playing for Berlin at the time).

All 3 of them got the score while being captain, for extra pain.

[Purple 77]

Team Submission stuff:

@Seoul, you had 3 players named on an AFL list that you didn't see... they are now your emergencies, in list preference order

No accidental OOP's...

Players receiving rest bonus this week:
Josh P Kennedy (Cape Town)
Farren Ray (PNL)
Jake Stringer (Christchurch)

Players rested this week:
Jeremy Howe (Pacific)
Sean Dempster (Christchurch)
Jordan Lewis (Mexico City)
Nick Malceski (PNL)

[kilbluff1985]

i only realized Ashby was playing last night

i looked at our list just trying to find emergencies for like 15min lol

[Purple 77]

After last night...

A poor start for Moscow, but the real story was the mammoth effort from Dublin captain Goldstein... Can Dublin beat their previous best of 1919?

	Beijing Thunder					Tokyo Samurai
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	Harry Taylor	0			D1	Ricky Henderson	0
D2	Cale Hooker	84	1	84	D2	Chris Yarran	0
D3	Jackson Thurlow	0			D3	Garrick Ibbotson	0
D4	Travis Varcoe	0			D4	Matt Suckling	0
M1	Oliver Wines	0	C	0	M1	Luke Parker	0	VC	0
M2	Lachie Neale	0	VC	0	M2	Kieran Jack	0	C	0
M3	Liam Shiels	0			M3	Anthony Miles	0
M4	Josh Caddy	0			M4	Andrew Carrazzo	0
R1	Matthew Kreuzer	0			R1	Zac Smith	0
F1	Tom Bell	0			F1	Steven Motlop	0
F2	Eddie Betts	0			F2	Luke Dahlhaus	0
F3	Aaron Black	49	1	49	F3	Nick Suban	0
F4	Ben Kennedy	0			F4	Jamie Cripps	0
U1	Brodie Grundy	0			U1	Shaun Burgoyne	0
U2	Touk Miller	0			U2	Jason Johannisen	0
E1	James Aish	0			E1	Harry Cunningham	0
E2	Chris Dawes	0			E2	Jackson Merrett	51
E3	Sam Mayes	0			E3	Martin Gleeson	49
			Total	133				Total	0

	Berlin Brewers					Cairo Sands
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	Michael Hibberd	72	1	72	D1	Brodie Smith	0
D2	Colin Garland	0			D2	Jeremy McGovern	0
D3	Jarryn Geary	0			D3	Nick Smith	0
D4	Xavier Ellis	0			D4	Sam Rowe	0
M1	Nat Fyfe	0	C	0	M1	Dayne Beams	0	C	0
M2	Jack Steven	0	VC	0	M2	Pearce Hanley	0	VC	0
M3	Adam Treloar	0			M3	Mark Hutchings	0
M4	Daniel Cross	0			M4	Luke Dunstan	0
R1	Max Gawn	0			R1	Rory Lobb	0
F1	Lewis Jetta	0			F1	Luke Breust	0
F2	Marco Paparone	0			F2	Paul Puopolo	0
F3	Jack Watts	0			F3	Rhys Palmer	0
F4	Jordan Murdoch	0			F4	Ben Brown	76	1	76
U1	Jack Viney	0			U1	Jack Lonie	0
U2	Jesse Lonergan	0			U2	Nathan Gordon	0
E1	Zak Jones	0			E1	Jake Batchelor	0
E2	Jay Kennedy-Harris	0			E2	Hugh Goddard	0
E3	Mark Jamar	0			E3	Ben Stratton	0
			Total	72				Total	76

	Cape Town Cobras					Dublin Destroyers
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	Shaun Higgins	78	1	78	D1	Tom McDonald	0
D2	Andrejs Everitt	0			D2	Alex Rance	0
D3	James Gwilt	90	1	90	D3	Grant Birchall	0
D4	Shane Savage	0			D4	Robert Murphy	0
M1	Josh P Kennedy	0	CR	0	M1	Travis Boak	0
M2	Trent Cotchin	0	VC	0	M2	David Mundy	0
M3	Edward Curnow	0			M3	Scott Thompson	0
M4	Dom Tyson	0			M4	Nick Dal Santo	124	1	124
R1	Stefan Martin	0			R1	Todd Goldstein	221	C	442
F1	Craig Bird	0			F1	Dustin Martin	0	VC	0
F2	Tom Hawkins	0			F2	Lance Franklin	0
F3	Jeremy Cameron	0			F3	Jarryd Roughead	0
F4	Sam B Reid	0			F4	Jack Gunston	0
U1	Mark Blicavs	0			U1	Michael Walters	0
U2	Scott Selwood	0			U2	Josh Bruce	0
E1	Billy Longer	0			E1	Ryan Schoenmakers	0
E2	Nick Haynes	0			E2	Neville Jetta	0
E3	Cameron McCarthy	0			E3	Nick Holman	0
			Total	168				Total	566

	Mexico City Suns					Buenos Aires Armadillos
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	Kade Simpson	0			D1	Easton Wood	0
D2	Adam Oxley	0			D2	Shaun Atley	87	1	87
D3	Matthew Broadbent	0			D3	Troy Chaplin	0
D4	Shannon Hurn	0			D4	Chris Newman	0
M1	Steele Sidebottom	0			M1	Mitch Wallis	0	C	0
M2	Tom Rockliff	0	C	0	M2	Bradley Hill	0	VC	0
M3	Bradley Ebert	0			M3	Angus Brayshaw	0
M4	Shaun Grigg	0			M4	Matt Crouch	0
R1	Ivan Maric	0			R1	Justin Clarke	0	P	0
F1	Brett Deledio	0	VC	0	F1	Jake Melksham	0
F2	Brendon Goddard	106	1	106	F2	Jay Schulz	0
F3	Jimmy Bartel	0			F3	Lindsay Thomas	0
F4	Nick Riewoldt	0			F4	Jason Tutt	0
U1	Allen Christensen	0			U1	Jordan De Goey	0
U2	Brent Harvey	118	1	118	U2	Tim Membrey	0
E1	Matthew Stokes	0			E1	Rohan Bewick	0
E2	Nathan Krakouer	0			E2	Shane Biggs	0
E3	Brian Lake	0			E3	Michael Close	0
			Total	224				Total	87

	Pacific Islanders					New York Revolution
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	Michael Hurley	120	1	120	D1	Heath Shaw	0
D2	Rory Laird	0			D2	Josh Gibson	0
D3	Curtly Hampton	0			D3	Sam Fisher	0
D4	Alex Fasolo	0			D4	Kade Kolodjashnij	0
M1	Jack Redden	0	C	0	M1	Steve Johnson	0
M2	Michael Barlow	0			M2	Mitch Duncan	0
M3	Michael Rischitelli	0			M3	Leigh Montagna	0	CC	0
M4	Cameron Guthrie	0			M4	Jackson Macrae	0	CC	0
R1	Jarrod Witts	0			R1	Sharrod Wellingham	0	P	0
F1	Marcus Bontempelli	0	VC	0	F1	Travis Cloke	0
F2	Devon Smith	0			F2	Kurt Tippett	0
F3	Tom Mitchell	0			F3	Josh J Kennedy	0
F4	Jarryd Blair	0			F4	Jarrad Waite	83	1	83
U1	Sam Gibson	38	DNP	0	U1	Matt Rosa	0
U2	Ben Howlett	49	1	49	U2	Heath Grundy	0
E1	Sam Day	0			E1	Jed Adcock	0
E2	Brodie Martin	0			E2	Michael Firrito	72
E3	Lee Spurr	0			E3	Dylan Buckley	0
			Total	169				Total	83

[Purple 77]

	PNL Reindeers					Moscow Spetsnaz
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	Luke Hodge	0			D1	Nick Vlastuin	0
D2	Corey Enright	0			D2	Lynden Dunn	0
D3	Marley Williams	0			D3	Sam Docherty	0
D4	Jarrod Harbrow	0			D4	Jack Hombsch	0
M1	Matt Priddis	0	CC	0	M1	Callan Ward	0	CC	0
M2	Nathan Jones	0			M2	Dyson Heppell	72	CC	108
M3	Daniel Rich	0			M3	David Armitage	0
M4	Farren Ray	0	R	0	M4	Levi Greenwood	0
R1	Matthew Lobbe	0			R1	Nic Naitanui	0
F1	Justin Westhoff	0	CC	0	F1	Robbie Gray	0
F2	Chad Wingard	0			F2	Joe Daniher	66	1	66
F3	Cyril Rioli	0			F3	Jesse Hogan	0
F4	Zachary Merrett	80	1	80	F4	Angus Monfries	0
U1	Dane Swan	0			U1	Dominic Sheed	0
U2	Tom T Lynch	0			U2	Ryan Bastinac	73	1	73
E1	Mitch Hallahan	0			E1	Paul Seedsman	0
E2	Luke McPharlin	0			E2	Steven May	0
E3	Jonathon Griffin	0			E3	Hayden Ballantyne	0
			Total	80				Total	247

	Rio de Janeiro Jaguars					Christchurch Saints
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	Bachar Houli	0			D1	Liam Picken	0
D2	Elliot Yeo	0			D2	Matthew Buntine	0
D3	Andrew Mackie	0			D3	Jake Lever	0
D4	Ben Jacobs	77	1	77	D4	Dylan Roberton	0
M1	Marc Murphy	0			M1	Matthew Boyd	0
M2	Gary Jnr Ablett	0	C	0	M2	Tom Scully	0
M3	Stephen Hill	0			M3	Luke Shuey	0	C	0
M4	Bernie Vince	0	VC	0	M4	Sam Mitchell	0
R1	Sam Jacobs	0			R1	Aaron Sandilands	0
F1	Jack Riewoldt	0			F1	Shaun McKernan	58	1	58
F2	Adam Schneider	0			F2	Jake Stringer	0	R	0
F3	Taylor Walker	0			F3	Jack Steele	0
F4	Lewis Taylor	0			F4	Dayne Zorko	0	VC	0
U1	Patrick Cripps	0			U1	Hamish Hartlett	0
U2	David Zaharakis	89	1	89	U2	Aaron Vandenberg	0
E1	Brayden Maynard	0			E1	Jeff Garlett	0
E2	David Hale	0			E2	Tory Dickson	0
E3	Matthew Wright	0			E3	Sean Dempster	0
			Total	166				Total	58

	Seoul Magpies					New Delhi Tigers
POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	Jack Newnes	0			D1	Zachary Williams	0
D2	Tom Langdon	0			D2	Jimmy Webster	0
D3	Cameron Sutcliffe	0			D3	Aaron Mullett	27	DNP	0
D4	Trent McKenzie	0			D4	Jarman Impey	0
M1	Patrick Dangerfield	0	C	0	M1	Stephen Coniglio	0	VC	0
M2	Brandon Ellis	0	VC	0	M2	Andrew Gaff	0	C	0
M3	Toby Greene	0			M3	Chris Masten	0
M4	Lachie Whitfield	0			M4	Nicholas Robertson	0
R1	Ben McEvoy	0			R1	Tom Nicholls	0
F1	Tom J Lynch	0			F1	Jack Darling	0
F2	Brandon Matera	0			F2	Koby Stevens	0
F3	Jake Lloyd	0			F3	Riley Knight	0
F4	Joshua Kelly	0			F4	Jarrad Grant	0
U1	Caleb Daniel	0			U1	Toby Nankervis	0
U2	Jordan Roughead	0			U2	Jesse White	0
E1	Jason Ashby	29			E1	Simon White	0
E2	Thomas Boyd	0			E2	Bradley Walsh	0
E3	Eli Templeton	0			E3	Patrick McCartin	0
			Total	0				Total	0

	Toronto Wolves					London Royals
POS	Team Format: Attack	SCO	MUL	ADJ	POS	Team Format: Traditional	SCO	MUL	ADJ
D1	James Kelly	0			D1	Dane Rampe	0
D2	Jamie MacMillan	59	VC	59	D2	Mark Baguley	87	1	87
D3	Daniel Merrett	0			D3	Sam Wright	49	1	49
M1	Scott Pendlebury	0	C	0	D4	Zach Tuohy	0
M2	Ryan Griffen	0			M1	Dan Hannebery	0	C	0
M3	Andrew Swallow	102	1	102	M2	Heritier Lumumba	0
M4	Isaac Smith	0			M3	Brent Stanton	119	1	119
R1	Paddy Ryder	0			M4	Jarrad McVeigh	0	VC	0
F1	Jack Crisp	0			R1	Callum Sinclair	0
F2	Jack Ziebell	125	1	125	F1	Mark LeCras	0
F3	Mitch Robinson	0			F2	Danyle Pearce	0
F4	Matthew Pavlich	0			F3	Chris Mayne	0
F5	Lachlan Henderson	0			F4	Josh Hill	0
U1	Ben Cunnington	107	1	107	U1	Billy Hartung	0
U2	Richard Douglas	0			U2	Bradley Sheppard	0
E1	Brendon Ah Chee	0			E1	David Mackay	0
E2	Kayne Turner	67			E2	Daniel McStay	0
E3	Matt Spangher	0			E3	Troy Menzel	0
			Total	393				Total	255

[Nige]

Cairo with the early lead over Berlin.  8)