WXV Trade Talk

[RaisyDaisy]

I don't have a problem seeing some teams in the 15-20 range from 106 because although maybe slightly on the higher side it's healthy and seeing the majority in the 5-18 range is a good reflection I think and that's where I would personally like to see the committee come from if that ever happens

Considering we were involved in so many trades i don't think its fair look negatively on us because we didn't neg too many.

Sure, there were some wins, but there seriously weren't that many bad ones

What? The list that Purps posted is how many times a team negged a trade - not how many times a team was negged, so what you said doesn't really apply :)

[Purple 77]

If anyone wants their number, they can PM me if they like, I don't mind  :) I want give any one else though

[Ricochet]

I don't have a problem seeing some teams in the 15-20 range from 106 because although maybe slightly on the higher side it's healthy and seeing the majority in the 5-18 range is a good reflection I think and that's where I would personally like to see the committee come from if that ever happens

Considering we were involved in so many trades i don't think its fair look negatively on us because we didn't neg too many.

Sure, there were some wins, but there seriously weren't that many bad ones

What? The list that Purps posted is how many times a team negged a trade - not how many times a team was negged, so what you said doesn't really apply :)

If you're involved in more trades you have less to neg...

I said we negged 2 trades (i think) and above you said 5-18 range was about right. But really throw in our Heeney one, and the massive 6way that both got negged and we're closer to 5. See?

EDIT: Turns out we weren't the 2. But same applies to whoever it is. Unfair to discount them

[GoLions]

If the person who negged 34 trades isn't on the trades committee, I'll be disappointed.

[Nige]

On behalf of Purps: list lodgements, get them in sooner rather than later if you can, makes his job a lot easier.

[RaisyDaisy]

Yep, fair comment Rico :)

Based on last weeks discussion we know that 13 trades were negged, and of that 13 we could really bring it down to 9 when we remove the 2 that were just resubs, the 6 way and one of the Rio/Christchurch 2 attempts

With that 9, barring the 34 team, all other teams where within 1-9 more or below the 9, so all in all it's actually going along pretty well as is. Levi even said that he learnt a lot too, being his first trade period and would probably have his time again with the several deals he did being negged for him giving too much so if you really nit pick the results you could possibly mount a case to say that only 5-6 of the negged trades would happen again.

I think the bigger picture shows that things actually aren't bad as is, and with another year of experience they can get even better

34 might need to loosen up a little though :P

[elephants]

34 needs to be named and shamed.

[Purple 77]

34 needs to be named and shamed.

Aw, probably a little harsh; I don't want to discourage expressing their opinion  :-\

[Nige]

I've got a hunch. You can probably work it out honestly. Past comments from coaches in this thread are a decent indicator.

[Jukes]

Sigh, whatever. Thank god it's all finally over now.

and

34 needs to be named and shamed.

[Torpedo10]

Jukes, since when did you neg any trades?

I haven't.

[Memphistopheles]

Just on this

Also i wouldn't mind chucking up the idea that trades are voted on a little earlier than weekly. Sometimes we were waiting 10-12 days before knowing the results of trades and it can hold up other talks

I meant that instead of votes going out every Sunday, maybe the committee could vote on them every 3 days or whenever.

Even if the committee is quicker than everyone else at the moment, its still 7 days + 1-2 days

agree if you have active coaches you can get answers almost immediately. I basically auto pass most trades as there aren't many issues. If im unsure LF, Ringo, Ric, HP are always on to answer a quick PM.

I'm only catching up on this conversation as I was moving house this week.

But, your above comment is exactly why I wouldn't want you on the trade committee Holz.

I don't want a bunch of yes men on the committee who pass everything very quickly - we need people who will debate the merits of each trade with each other and then make a fair decision.

I'd rather keep the system as it is right now. Only a very small percentage of trades are negged and there are good reasons why they are.

I still think though that there needs to be a majority, at least a quarter (4 minimum, 5 is better), of coaches against a trade for it to be negged or the admin to be able to make the final all. 3 votes against is no grounds for begging unless there's like 6 teams involved in the trade.

[Holz]

But, your above comment is exactly why I wouldn't want you on the trade committee Holz.

I don't want a bunch of yes men on the committee who pass everything very quickly - we need people who will debate the merits of each trade with each other and then make a fair decision.

I wouldn't say Im a yes man. Just to clarify I have actually made quite detail posts about how a trade is unfair and why It shouldn't be approved, but passed it because of the system and how a similar trade was passed when it shouldn't have, compared it to that trade then said based of precedence pass it.

e.g. the 3 way trade that just passed.

I do want to debate the merits of a trade and thats where a few people come into play. When im suspect of a trade in Euros I talk to 3-4 coaches quite often on chat or on watsaap discussing it. In some instances they have been able to change my opinion on a trade I thought was unfair by bring up other points. I have also had instances where people have agreed and I talked to the coach that was seen to be winning to negotiate them paying more. Once I was satisfied the trade was now fair and talking to the other coaches for confirmation the trade was passed. This usually takes 1-2 days and the losing coach isnt involved in negotiations unless the winning coach doesnt want to add more or wants to change the deal.

In most cases the negotiations are successful and a trade is approved with them adding more. I think i have had only 2-3 trades where a fair trade couldn't be agreed upon. 

An example is this trade with HP and Spinking

Spinking gives: N Riewoldt + A Swallow + A Walker

HP gives N Cockatoo + J Lonie + J Neade

Reject: While giving older players swallow is still in prime. Good potential is given but despite lonie no real dt potential seen yet.

I spoke to HP and while he was giving up players of value I felt from a DT perspective he just wasnt giving enough despite the potential. Only Lonie had shown his ability and i questioned Cockatoo (in DT). We agreed that the deal change to this and it passed.

Spinking gives: N Riewoldt + A Swallow + A Walker

HP gives N Cockatoo + J Lonie + J Neade + J Impey + 25

I think the trade went from posted, to rejected, to negotiated, to passed within 3 days.

[JBs-Hawks]

And still that trade is ridiculous.

[Holz]

And still that trade is ridiculous.

Still see the upside in the guys given.

Neade 21 year old forward cracking into the team played the last 8 games of the season
Lonie 19 year old forward, played 17 games and sub vest dragged his average down but thats gone scores of 69 73 74 79 81 93 has good potential.
Cockatoo: 19 year old forward, 11 games in his first year. crippled with vests (gone) but has great talent

decent value given there but needed more.

Impey: 20 year old defender in the 22, should keep increasing his scoring, had a vest and a concussion.
Pick 25: still should get someone ok to add to the 3 forwards and 1 defender picked up. (which they need)