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Torpedo10

Quote from: Jukes on November 04, 2015, 06:26:00 PM
I just think that it's rubbish that for the second year in a row our deals are unfairly negged meaning we have to give up more - happened three times last season iirc on fair trades (as were shown through the year), then 100% of our trades this year.

How are we supposed to improve our team at all if all our trades get negged because apparently we're winning, we give up more and then in the end it turns out that it was initially fair if not we were losing (see: Sinkers for Daniher).

It's a bad system - most of the time deals are negged are likely because
a) it will help their side out through further trading/weakening similar teams for next season
b) personal vendetta against the team/coaches

Strip our picks see what happens btw
These two things really stand out for me, we needed to change up our Daniher trade as a result even though both Ringo and Jukes were fine with the deal, and in reality the deal was fair from the start. This is just one example. With many coaches going for one player, some potential annoyance with us taking a particular deal could have come into accepting or declining our trade, which isn't uncommon from what I've seen.

Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.

Wow Seriously?

Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
That was towards the neggers RD.

When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?

What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion

Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
ONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.

Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.

Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.

I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
Such a mature response.  :P
i negged it
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great

also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way


same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it

so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward


tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth





Atleast you're honest Daz, but in reality some of the offers you gave us were much more one sided than this one, and I agree with you about this offseason, it's becoming all too political.

Quote from: Ringo on November 04, 2015, 06:27:19 PM
We all get disappointed when trades get rejected myself included.  The rules for World XV's have been set so we have to accept the decision and move on and re-negotiate trade based on the comments. I am still in negotiations re the Stanton trade trying to work an acceptable trade after basically feeling very upset at rejection.

Know it is hard to try and get some rhyme and reason as to why some trades pass and others do not but it is all based on coaches opinions at that time and we have to accept that being the rule in place. It will serve no purpose asking who voted for or against as it may create schisms and clics with coaches and that is not healthy for the competition as a whole.

So the advice is accept decisions and get with renegotiating trade.  In your case Torp RD has hit the nail on the head you have to add something or Bejing need to remove Newton or Nat 8 from the deal.

I understand your point Ringo, but it really is a rating point of view. I know for sure JB thinks we are being smashed, and might've netted the trade for that reason, while Daz begged it because we were winning by too much. It doesn't make sense!

In reality, the only opinions that should matter are the coaches of the sides involved, and at worst a potential group of consultants or the Admin, who only step in if it is absolutely disgusting (Eg. Ward for N8, Pendlebury for T.McKenzie)

RaisyDaisy

So Daz, are you suggesting Heppell is a super prem but Ward isn't? Not sure how you think Heppell would be fair but Ward isn't, but I guess that's a classic example of how we all have different views :)

Me personally, I'd take Ward over Heppell every day of the week

And Torp, yes ONE coach said you lose but FIVE said Beijing lose, hence my comments :)

Torpedo10


JBs-Hawks

Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.

Wow Seriously?

Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
That was towards the neggers RD.

When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?

What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion

Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
ONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.

Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.

Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.

I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
Such a mature response.  :P
i negged it
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great

also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way


same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it

so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward


tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth

You just contradicted yourself.

Heppell has never averaged 110, Ward has.
Ward also averaged more then Heppell last season.

Purple 77

Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth

Sorry to hear :( days like today certainly do.

Torpedo10

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.

Wow Seriously?

Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
That was towards the neggers RD.

When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?

What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion

Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
ONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.

Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.

Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.

I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
Such a mature response.  :P
i negged it
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great

also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way


same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it

so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward


tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth

You just contradicted yourself.

Heppell has never averaged 110, Ward has.
Ward also averaged more then Heppell last season.

There you go. Now that we've given you a more statistical look at it Daz, rather than the bias I'm sure all Essendon supporters including me have for Dyson, would you accept it?

Nige

Daz's Bomber bias speaking.  :P

meow meow

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 05:21:01 PM
Where are the neggers?

Not here! No negs from me again this week. In fact I've tried to block only 3 trades for the whole trade period (one passed anyway).

DazBurg

Quote from: JBs-Hawks on November 04, 2015, 06:40:49 PM
Quote from: DazBurg on November 04, 2015, 06:26:15 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 06:05:52 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:53:45 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:45:58 PM
Quote from: RaisyDaisy on November 04, 2015, 04:33:22 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.

Wow Seriously?

Just upgrade your pick from 70 to 34 and remove Newton from the deal. That should do it, but then again we passed it originally so maybe the neggers can make a suggestion
That was towards the neggers RD.

When a coach says that we lose, I can't possibly see how we need to reduce our offer. We've also been told that Bell isn't even best 22 by the most experienced Brissy supporter on here IMO, so how can a 28yo 90 average defender with Newton and a scraping Ten pick be even close to Ward, a 110 midfielder in his prime?

What? The coaches that negged your deal said Beijing lose, not you, hence my suggestion

Hooker is a starting defender, so getting Bell who is solid XV depth and potentially a starter and Pick 8 for Ward is fair IMO, which is why I suggested dropping Newton from the deal and giving Beijing a better pick to balance it out better
ONE coach said we lost by enough to net the trade.

Yes, where are the neggers? Haven't had one person be honourable enough to actually open up to this. Purple, maybe an idea is to open who votes Yes/No to each trade. Would remove begging just for the sake of it.

Quote from: elephants on November 04, 2015, 04:48:08 PM
Quote from: Torpedo10 on November 04, 2015, 04:29:08 PM
You're all pathetic.

I know you haven't yet reached puberty Torp, but lets try and be mature about this.
Such a mature response.  :P
i negged it
HP liked it i did not callan ward is decent not a super premo
his had 1 season over 110 that isn't that great

also i'm kinda getting sick of coaches contradicting themselves then complaining
mate if you firmly believe those players at that bad then it shouldn't go through wither way


same as the 6 team trade compared to trades let through or negged this off season it has elements of contradiction to it

so personally would i give all that for callan ward
hell no
heppell yeah i would
not ward


tbh i love WXv's from the beginning only major one i am involved in but this offseason is leaving a very bad taste in my mouth

You just contradicted yourself.

Heppell has never averaged 110, Ward has.
Ward also averaged more then Heppell last season.
I rhink i have a right since everyone else does only fair for me too...seems to work for everyone else

DazBurg

What offer torps
Zach merret for docherty??


GoLions

I'm on my phone atm, but if someone could post the MJ popcorn meme or something, that'd be great

Torpedo10


meow meow

Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
I'm on my phone atm, but if someone could post the MJ popcorn meme or something, that'd be great

Taking a dump?

Nige

Quote from: GoLions on November 04, 2015, 07:06:40 PM
I'm on my phone atm, but if someone could post the MJ popcorn meme or something, that'd be great
I prefer the George Constanza one.