2015 Ashes Thread

[Bill Manspeaker]

agreed, 60/40 England. night mate

[Nige]

Looks liked I missed half of a pretty decent first day, hopefully setting the tone for the rest of the series.

[The_Captain]

So this is where its at hey!

F U haddin you mo fo! wake da eff up! Dropping root on 0! FFS!!!!!

ahhhh now i feel better,

[PowerBug]

I reckon that if the batsman does not offer a shot and the decision is reviewed - if the ball is tracked to be in the umpires call zone it should be out.

Why? Why not just make it so that every ball, regardless of how much of it is hitting the stumps, if it is hitting any part of the stumps, is called out. It gets rid of umpires call, clears up everything regarding the uncertainty of the decision made by the 3rd umpire.

It's amazing how the same piece of concrete evidence has two opposite outcomes.

[Ringo]

I reckon that if the batsman does not offer a shot and the decision is reviewed - if the ball is tracked to be in the umpires call zone it should be out.

Why? Why not just make it so that every ball, regardless of how much of it is hitting the stumps, if it is hitting any part of the stumps, is called out. It gets rid of umpires call, clears up everything regarding the uncertainty of the decision made by the 3rd umpire.

It's amazing how the same piece of concrete evidence has two opposite outcomes.

Agree if the review has the ball hitting the stumps regardless of whether it is half or more it is out. Does away as you say with umpires call decision which goes both ways. How many times have we seen a fair portion of ball but not half hitting the stumps but surviving on umpires call.  Know both sides have to play to rules but if it continues as is I reckon if the indication that ball is hitting the stumps you should not lose your referral due to umpires call.

On another note did not see the first session due to State of Origin for obvious reasons but have seen the Haddin dropped catch and me thinks it is time for him to go.

[Rusty00]

I reckon that if the batsman does not offer a shot and the decision is reviewed - if the ball is tracked to be in the umpires call zone it should be out.

Why? Why not just make it so that every ball, regardless of how much of it is hitting the stumps, if it is hitting any part of the stumps, is called out. It gets rid of umpires call, clears up everything regarding the uncertainty of the decision made by the 3rd umpire.

It's amazing how the same piece of concrete evidence has two opposite outcomes.

I'm pretty sure this is the reason the Indians do not use DRS. I've heard Dhoni speaking previously about the whole "umprie's call" aspect of it and the fact it shouldn't come down to "how much" of the stumps it may or may not be hitting.

[Nige]

I reckon that if the batsman does not offer a shot and the decision is reviewed - if the ball is tracked to be in the umpires call zone it should be out.

Why? Why not just make it so that every ball, regardless of how much of it is hitting the stumps, if it is hitting any part of the stumps, is called out. It gets rid of umpires call, clears up everything regarding the uncertainty of the decision made by the 3rd umpire.

It's amazing how the same piece of concrete evidence has two opposite outcomes.

I'm pretty sure this is the reason the Indians do not use DRS. I've heard Dhoni speaking previously about the whole "umprie's call" aspect of it and the fact it shouldn't come down to "how much" of the stumps it may or may not be hitting.

Yeah, you're not wrong. Definitely recall Dhoni saying something like this before.

[PowerBug]

Anyway, great first days play, England slightly on top the weather cleared up and the runs started flowing. Would like to see England finish on around 400 here.

[Kellogscrunchynut]

Got to say PB your boy Ballance goes alright.

[Jay]

I reckon that if the batsman does not offer a shot and the decision is reviewed - if the ball is tracked to be in the umpires call zone it should be out.

Why? Why not just make it so that every ball, regardless of how much of it is hitting the stumps, if it is hitting any part of the stumps, is called out. It gets rid of umpires call, clears up everything regarding the uncertainty of the decision made by the 3rd umpire.

It's amazing how the same piece of concrete evidence has two opposite outcomes.

Because not offering a shot erases the pitching outside leg factor, why shouldn't it get rid of the umpires call too? Just think the benefit of the doubt has to strongly go to the bowler if the batsman is not offering a shot.
Mind you, I'm not for basically getting rid of umpires which seems to be what you're suggesting. They still need some power.

[PowerBug]

I reckon that if the batsman does not offer a shot and the decision is reviewed - if the ball is tracked to be in the umpires call zone it should be out.

Why? Why not just make it so that every ball, regardless of how much of it is hitting the stumps, if it is hitting any part of the stumps, is called out. It gets rid of umpires call, clears up everything regarding the uncertainty of the decision made by the 3rd umpire.

It's amazing how the same piece of concrete evidence has two opposite outcomes.

Because not offering a shot erases the pitching outside leg factor, why shouldn't it get rid of the umpires call too? Just think the benefit of the doubt has to strongly go to the bowler if the batsman is not offering a shot.
Mind you, I'm not for basically getting rid of umpires which seems to be what you're suggesting. They still need some power.

No it doesn't.

[Jay]

I reckon that if the batsman does not offer a shot and the decision is reviewed - if the ball is tracked to be in the umpires call zone it should be out.

Why? Why not just make it so that every ball, regardless of how much of it is hitting the stumps, if it is hitting any part of the stumps, is called out. It gets rid of umpires call, clears up everything regarding the uncertainty of the decision made by the 3rd umpire.

It's amazing how the same piece of concrete evidence has two opposite outcomes.

Because not offering a shot erases the pitching outside leg factor, why shouldn't it get rid of the umpires call too? Just think the benefit of the doubt has to strongly go to the bowler if the batsman is not offering a shot.
Mind you, I'm not for basically getting rid of umpires which seems to be what you're suggesting. They still need some power.

No it doesn't.

I meant hitting in line, sorry.

[PowerBug]

I reckon that if the batsman does not offer a shot and the decision is reviewed - if the ball is tracked to be in the umpires call zone it should be out.

Why? Why not just make it so that every ball, regardless of how much of it is hitting the stumps, if it is hitting any part of the stumps, is called out. It gets rid of umpires call, clears up everything regarding the uncertainty of the decision made by the 3rd umpire.

It's amazing how the same piece of concrete evidence has two opposite outcomes.

Because not offering a shot erases the pitching outside leg factor, why shouldn't it get rid of the umpires call too? Just think the benefit of the doubt has to strongly go to the bowler if the batsman is not offering a shot.
Mind you, I'm not for basically getting rid of umpires which seems to be what you're suggesting. They still need some power.

No it doesn't.

I meant hitting in line, sorry.

Just checking haha, I know you know just stuffed up.

Ok so this might explain why: Umpires Call is currently there to account for the error that DRS currently has in predicting the balls path. And to get someone out LBW ultimately the ball still has to be hitting the stumps. Umpires Call, even though the videos show otherwise, says that there is an element of doubt that the ball might be hitting the stumps, so the call sticks the umpires original decision. The batsman already loses priority of the ball hitting outside the offside by not playing a shot, and in addition umpires will lean to the side of "out" if the ball looks to be heading near the stumps with no shot offered.

I really think t would be easier if they just trusted DRS completely, clear out the grey area, and make it that if any of the ball is hitting the stumps then it's out (assuming all else is green). This might get the Indians closer to joining in to DRS.

[Jay]

Caught it, had control. The fact it scraped along the ground after he caught it is irrelevant isn't it?

Was there enough evidence to overturn? Not sure...

[Jay]

How close! Flowering hell