2015 Champions League Discussion

[Levi434]

I saw a few posts about perhaps having a champions league. I have enough time to run a tournament style comp. If there is enough interest we can get it underway!

Was going to run it basically the same as a FIFA World Cup. Total of 32 teams with the top 8 teams from each of the 4 XV comps getting in. Will be run from AFL Rounds 16 through til 22. Once we have the 32 teams we can randomise them and arrange them into groups.

Group Rounds
AFL Round 16
AFL Round 17
AFL Round 18

Round of 16
AFL Round 19

Quater Finals
AFL Round 20

Semi-Finals
AFL Round 21

Grand Final
AFL Round 22


Group A:
-Belgian Bashers (EXV) - Elephants
-Paris Nice Lyon Reindeers (WXV) - Hellopplz
-Swansea Breakers (BXV) - Ringo
-UAE Tigers (AXV) - JROO8

Group B:
-Liverpool Rams (BXV) - Nige
-Macedonian Wolves (EXV) - Scrads
-Mexico City Suns (WXV) - JROO8
-Mongolian Lambs (AXV) - Toga

Group C:
-Bangladesh Bears (AXV) - Adamant
-Berlin Brewers (WXV) - Purple77
-Huddersfield Hawks (BXV) - JBs-Hawks
-Serbian Eagles (EXV) - Nrich


Group D:
-Australian Ales (AXV) - JBs-Hawks
-Iceland Polar Bears (EXV) - Hellopplz
-Moscow Spetnaz (WXV) - Bane/Torpedo10
-Oxford Owls (BXV) - Vinny

Group E:
-Dublin Destroyers (WXV) - Holz
-Kathmandu Eskimos (AXV) - Powerbug
-Nottingham Hoods (BXV) - LF
-Svalbard Valkyries (EXV) - Ziplock

Group F:
-Hastings Hurricanes (BXV) - Purple77
-New York Revolution (WXV) - Aaronkirk/Raisydaisy
-Sri Lankan Strikers (AXV) - Jayman
-Swiss Storm (EXV) - Nige

Group G:
-English Lions (EXV) - JBs-Hawks
-Kuala Lumpur Crocodiles (AXV) - Ricochet
-Toronto Wolves (WXV) - roo boys!
-Winchester Werewolves (BXV) - Rusty00

Group H:
-Bradford Badgers (BXV) - GoLions
-Christchurch Saints (WXV) - meow meow
-Laos Elephants (AXV) - Nige
-Russian Roulettes (EXV) - Nostradamus/Rids

Round of 16 Fixtures:
Match 1:
Winner of Group A (UAE Tigers)
VS
Runner Up of Group B (Macedonian Wolves)

Match 2:
Winner of Group B (Mexico City Suns)
VS
Runner Up of Group A (PNL Reindeers)

Match 3:
Winner of Group C (Berlin Brewers)
VS
Runner Up of Group D (Oxford Owls)

Match 4:
Winner of Group D (Australian Ales)
VS
Runner Up of Group C (Bangladesh Bears)

Match 5:
Winner of Group E (Dublin Destroyers)
VS
Runner Up of Group F (Swiss Storm)

Match 6:
Winner of Group F (Hastings Hurricanes)
VS
Runner Up of Group E (Kathmandu Eskimos)

Match 7:
Winner of Group G (KL Crocodiles)
VS
Runner Up of Group H (Bradford Badgers)

Match 8:
Winner of Group H (Christchurch Saints)
VS
Runner Up of Group G (English Lions)


Quarter Finals Fixtures:
QF 1:
Winner of Match 1 (UAE Tigers)
VS
Winner of Match 3 (Berlin Brewers)

QF 2:
Winner of Match 2 (PNL Reindeers)
VS
Winner of Match 4 (Bangladesh Bears)

QF 3:
Winner of Match 5 (Dublin Destroyers)
VS
Winner of Match 7 (Bradford Badgers)

QF 4:
Winner of Match 6 (Kathmandu Eskimos)
VS
Winner of Match 8 (Christchurch Saints)


Semi Finals Fixtures:
SF 1:
Winner of QF 1
VS
Winner of QF 3

SF 2:
Winner of QF 2
VS
Winner of QF 4


Grand Final Fixture:
Winner of SF 1
VS
Winner of SF 2


The only problem will be the scoring and which system to use. Am happy to hear suggestions.

Scoring Options:
- Plain Supercoach scoring
- Plain Dreamteam scoring
- Plain Sportsbet scoring
- (SC+DT)/2
- (SC+DT+SB)/3

[Purple 77]

Would love to see a Champions league, so I fully support this :)

However, IMO I reckon the fairest (and most time consuming way) would be (SC + DT + SB)/3

[PowerBug]

Each team uses their own scoring. And then we have a multiplier to level the scores out.

Eg: WXV - 1, EXV - 1.13, BXV - 1.04, AXV - 0.87 (I pulled these numbers randomly)

To work out the multiplier for each league just grab the average score across the season thus far, and then work out how far each one differs from WXV, and then there is the multiplier.

Once you work out the multiplier it's much less work than the (SC + DT + SB)/3 option and is also fairer as the WXV picked their guys on SC value, EXV have their picked on DT value and so on.

[Jroo]

Great work Levi  :)

I like PB's idea, reckon that's the best way to go about it.

[LF]

BXV uses DT + SC/2 because there is no sportal scoring system anymore so not sure how PB's system would work with the multiplier

[PowerBug]

BXV uses DT + SC/2 because there is no sportal scoring system anymore so not sure how PB's system would work with the multiplier

Example:

Over the first 10 rounds of the season the average score for a team in WXV is 1,400. This will be considered our base score.

In EXV the average score per team has been 1,276. To make this score equal to 1400 you multiply by 1.0972. So the EXV multiplier is 1.10

In BXV lets say the average score per week is 1,348. So to make this score equal to 1400 you multiply by 1.0386. So the BXV multipler is 1.04

In AXV assume the average score per week (excluding the bye weeks) has been 1,789. To make this equal to 1,400 you multiply by 0.7826. So the AXV multiplier is 0.78.

Then you use these multipliers for a team that comes from the respective league to work out who had the better week.


Wasn't this how the Champs League used to work?

[Nige]

Not too much input personally. Looking forward to taking part though.

Obviously, I think the best way to go about it is to make sure there's a way to keep it even so no sides get disadvantaged, so I guess this multiplier thing being talked about will achieve that.

I don't do maths and numbers though, so leave me out of that.  :P

[Purple 77]

Would HGA scores be exempt from Champions League matches?

I assume the Worlds' resting bonuses will be exempt too.

[BB67th]

BXV uses DT + SC/2 because there is no sportal scoring system anymore so not sure how PB's system would work with the multiplier

Example:

Over the first 10 rounds of the season the average score for a team in WXV is 1,400. This will be considered our base score.

In EXV the average score per team has been 1,276. To make this score equal to 1400 you multiply by 1.0972. So the EXV multiplier is 1.10

In BXV lets say the average score per week is 1,348. So to make this score equal to 1400 you multiply by 1.0386. So the BXV multipler is 1.04

In AXV assume the average score per week (excluding the bye weeks) has been 1,789. To make this equal to 1,400 you multiply by 0.7826. So the AXV multiplier is 0.78.

Then you use these multipliers for a team that comes from the respective league to work out who had the better week.


Wasn't this how the Champs League used to work?

This was the scoring system used a couple of years back when the champions league ran.

I think it works quite well and is just about as fair as you can get.

[JBs-Hawks]

Yep PBs method is the way to go

[Jukes]

Why not include the axviii's too? Racism :P

The multiplier system would work for us despite the 2 extra mids, extra utility, and 1.5x for VC

[PowerBug]

Why not include the axviii's too? Racism :P

The multiplier system would work for us despite the 2 extra mids, extra utility, and 1.5x for VC

The multiplier works for any competition. It could work for i5s too if wanted.


But your competitions suck and shouldn't even be on FF :P

[Levi434]

Would HGA scores be exempt from Champions League matches?

I assume the Worlds' resting bonuses will be exempt too.

No HGA at all unfortunately. 

And also no resting and no flooding, attacking etc.


Have also decided that next week(After AFL Round 14) will be the last week for teams to qualify. This means that there are 2 games for AXV, BXV and EXV teams to try and slide in and there is only 1 game left for WXV teams to get in.


I like the multiplier system as well so that is what we will be using.

[Ringo]

Just another slight need to correct some comps have a 1.5 multiplier for VC that others do not.  In worlds you can have co captains as well.

So just for fairness should we just use total raw scores without any bonuses (including captain) whatsoever.

[Jukes]

Why not include the axviii's too? Racism :P

The multiplier system would work for us despite the 2 extra mids, extra utility, and 1.5x for VC

The multiplier works for any competition. It could work for i5s too if wanted.


But your competitions suck and shouldn't even be on FF :P

You're just jealous that you can't run a good comp m80