NFL Fantasy League 2015-16

[Mat0369]

Speaking of phone app, I am going to try a mock on it now at work

[Jay]

I just saw that the ESPN FF app on my phone shows Australia times for the draft. Sunday at 10.15 pm Eastern is locked

Works for me.

[Mat0369]

The app is alright to draft on. Still prefer the laptop, but it's decent

[Mat0369]

So the commish of my other league made a good point regarding the scoring system with kickers. Currently we have kickers losing one point for all FG's they miss. He wanted to adjust it so all misses are set to 0.

The arguments basically broke down like this

'I don't want anyone losing a matchup because their kicker missed a stupid long XP.  0 points is 0 points, there's no need to give negative points for misses IMO.'

'I'm for that.  If teams don't lose points in real games for missing field goals, no reason why fantasy owners should.'

One guy wants to ban kickers completely

My suggestion

'Can you set it with a range? So anything under 30 yards is minus and anything over is 0? If you draft someone like Alex Henery you deserve to lose points for every shank he had '

After further research

'I had a quick look. I think we have PATM set to 0 anyway so that is null and void. You can set FG misses to 0 and have brackets for 0-39 40-49 and 50+ yard misses that you can adjust. I am actually tempted to change this for my league. It's a good idea because sometimes a kicker is sent out just before half time to take a crazy long kick from 60 yards which he is no shot in making. That is -1 where Joe Blow goes out to make a regulation chip shot and misses and is penalized the same amount of points.'

What's everyone's thoughts on making those regulation FG's -1, and the other two 0?

Other options

Only have over 50 at 0 for those anomalies where the guy is sent out to kick a FG from 60 and any miss under is set at -1.

We go his route and just set it to 0 for missed kicks

Leave as is and all FG misses are -1 which could bring in the strategy of dome kickers going earlier

[Jay]

I'm happy for kickers to have the least amount of impact as possible.

[Holz]

Only have over 50 at 0 for those anomalies where the guy is sent out to kick a FG from 60 and any miss under is set at -1.

[Mat0369]

Only have over 50 at 0 for those anomalies where the guy is sent out to kick a FG from 60 and any miss under is set at -1.

Exactly my thinking

[Holz]

Only have over 50 at 0 for those anomalies where the guy is sent out to kick a FG from 60 and any miss under is set at -1.

Exactly my thinking

im not sure how many points for a FG but maybe an extra point for FG > 50?


as you said seems silly to reward -1 for a 60 yard hail mary and a 20 yard gimme. But maybe kickers should get rewarded for making the longer kicks and get more than easy attempts that  i could get.

[Jay]

This is standard, not PPR right?

[Mat0369]

im not sure how many points for a FG but maybe an extra point for FG > 50?


as you said seems silly to reward -1 for a 60 yard hail mary and a 20 yard gimme. But maybe kickers should get rewarded for making the longer kicks and get more than easy attempts that  i could get.

It's 3 points for a short FG, 4 for 40-49 and 5 for over 50.

This is standard, not PPR right?

PPR

[Holz]

im not sure how many points for a FG but maybe an extra point for FG > 50?


as you said seems silly to reward -1 for a 60 yard hail mary and a 20 yard gimme. But maybe kickers should get rewarded for making the longer kicks and get more than easy attempts that  i could get.

It's 3 points for a short FG, 4 for 40-49 and 5 for over 50.

This is standard, not PPR right?

PPR

i reckon standard -1 then.  if your taking a big punt then there is the 5 point upside

[Mat0369]

If I could adjust it to 55+ I would have that at 0 as I think it does help with the anomalies. A 50+ yard FG is still pretty tough which is why you get the extra points, I think it was just an interesting point made last night with eliminating the minus points. Figured I would bring it up for discussion

[Jay]

This is standard, not PPR right?

PPR

Why? I think Standard would be a bit simpler, especially because a few of us are first-time players. Yards and TDs for the win.

[Mat0369]

I have always played in PPR leagues so I have never really seen a difference. There are a couple of reasons for it, especially in deeper leagues such as a 12 team league.

First off we have 6 points per passing TD. The 6 points puts QB's at a premium, so by bumping up receptions to a full point it increases the value of other positions.

Going off scoring leading up to the draft last year, 2 of the 3 top players that season were QB's (Peyton and Brees) with 4 point passing TD's. Where the full point per reception brings up totals is in the RB department with dump off passes. Guys like Forte, Shady and Charles catch a ton of balls at the RB position which is why they filled the other 3 spots in the top 5. In a pass heavy league, the full point gives the RB position some value in fantasy terms, especially when teams abandon the run early because they are behind. While you might get some over inflated scores with certain players, I think it will make for a more interesting draft process as teams will have to take into account the factor of the point per reception against a QB having a huge season and throwing for over 40 TD's. Also by keeping it at 1 reception and increasing passing TD's the QB most of the top 10 scorers are likely to be QB's going off last seasons scores.

There is also what one guy used as the Jacquizz Rodgers theory

Jacquizz Rodgers was a prime example supporting 1PPR. He had something like 420 yards rushing and 430 receiving a couple of seasons ago (I forget the numbers, but in non-fractional scoring leagues, it was like 1 or 2 fantasy points more off receiving yards).

Every team still starts 2RBs though, and has the opportunity to start 3. After the top 6 or so RBs, the drop off is steep, and you get pockets of like 10 or more guys usually at some range between 7-24 (maybe it's 9-18) where there is no significant difference in total points scored on the year.

But with Rodgers, he probably adds another 45-50 points off receptions, which, when having to start 24 RBs minimum, adds needed points last year to whatever owner likely had to start him often, as there were likely no better options to fill the RB2 slot with.

I think it's easier to change the scoring by adding PPR (which is semi-standard) to make RBs not feel like having a second Kicker on your team, and it's a far better "fix" than having only one RB and making the second one a "flex" position. I've seen leagues do that and I'm not a fan at all.

It also makes all the #2 and flex position WRs guys have to use (especially in 12 teamers with watered down rosters) valuable, because a blah 48 yard game might be done over 5 receptions.

[Jay]

Right. So you still get a point for e.g. a screen pass that goes no where?

I don't really have a problem with QBs being slightly overvalued since they're the most important position by far anyway. And I still wouldn't have any QB in my top 15 anyway, even if it was standard. It's all demand/supply.