NFL Fantasy League 2015-16

[PowerBug]

You really need to work on your trash talk :P

I beat you by 29 points last week.



Better?

Sorry but I don't converse with team's lower than me on the ladder. It doesn't take much to beat a reserves team. :)

I shouldn't be talking to any of you guys then  :))))))))))

Haha you're allowed to talk trash given your team is stacked. But PBs below-average lineup is getting far too much attention around here. :P

The one that rolled with Mike Vick and Kap for a bunch of weeks?

Yes. Vick twice, Kaep once so far and again this week. I'm 2-1 with those two as QBs, the one i lost was when Seattle got lucky with the ref calling something wrong and then Wilson throwing a bomb straight after. I lost to Holz by 1.4.

So you might say I'm doing better without Roethlisberger.

You're 2-1 without him and 1-2 with him so yes you are doing better
Maybe you should trade him :)

Are you hinting at something? :P

[plumdog millionaire]

Imo there should be no veto system, and just let Mat reject the obviously terrible trades. People vote depending on their own situation, which isn't how it's supposed to work.

Every owner should be able to manage their team how they want, decisions shouldn't be put to the mercy of people wanting to raise their own standings

[RiOtChEsS]

Imo there should be no veto system, and just let Mat reject the obviously terrible trades. People vote depending on their own situation, which isn't how it's supposed to work.

Every owner should be able to manage their team how they want, decisions shouldn't be put to the mercy of people wanting to raise their own standings

haha yeah  ;D

[Mat0369]

In regards to the Hillman part of the trade, him for Jones is an isolated trade that was thrown in.

They're equal in value, I have been using the CBS trade value calc with Holz since he is new to the game and it is a decent guide to avoid getting ripped off. It's obviously not gospel but it is useful in getting a decent idea.

The values look like this

Gronk - 41
Gurley 30 Gates 18

Hillman 12
Jones 12

I am actually giving up more then I should on paper in the first trade according to the values, but like I said they aren't gospel. Gurley and Gates are beasts though, the only way I was parting with Gurley was to get an absolute stud like Rodgers, Julio or Gronk. Gurley is legit, but it's always going to take more then just him straight up to get one of those guys. Hence Gates who has been performing like Gates and will continue to perform like Gates.

I need a RB that hasn't had their bye for when Woodhead/Bell have theirs to pair with Gio. Hillman is the guy. Holz wanted more WR depth, he was happy with Jones.

I can't comment on the veto process since my team is part of the trade. All my trades will and should be at the mercy of the league as I am commish.

However if  the next trade not involving my team looks fair and is vetoed (since I will be an impartial observer) I am going to put the system up for review. I have been playing a while and have never seen 3 trades in 3 weeks involving 6 different owners vetoed. If that ends up being the case something is up and we need to check the system

I am going to add you need a legit reason to veto a trade. If teams are trying to veto trades because they play that team that week or other petty reasons it's not going to fly. So basically if we get three vetoes in a row, all trades not involving me I will have the final say on,  if I am involved then it is the regular process to keep it as unbiased as possible. If owners have issues with trades they can PM me their reasons and I will take it into account. The way I see it once is fine, twice is a coincidence and three times something is up

[plumdog millionaire]

So let me get this straight...

If this trade and the next one get vetoed then there's a new system which does away with the ESPN site voting and, the veto system moves to this site.

If a trade goes through and someone wants to veto then they have to PM you with a reason. How many people with valid reasons will veto the trade?

[RiOtChEsS]

the 2 for 1 isnt factoring in your getting all your value out of one slot, he is needing two slots to acquire the same value... what is your extra slot then scoring? thats the value for u, your team is getting significantly better so i understand u have no issue with it, its why 2 for 1's r dumb moves but hey they aint my teams

[Holz]

the 2 for 1 isnt factoring in your getting all your value out of one slot, he is needing two slots to acquire the same value... what is your extra slot then scoring? thats the value for u, your team is getting significantly better so i understand u have no issue with it, its why 2 for 1's r dumb moves but hey they aint my teams

my flex is dragging me down. I need to fill 2 spots.

I downgraded my Te but replaced him with a better then average starting TE. Then massively increased my flex postions. Thats what i was trying to do. Doing a 1 for 1 trade was useless to me as its didnt fix the problem of me having 1 inferior starting spot.

[Mat0369]

So let me get this straight...

If this trade and the next one get vetoed then there's a new system which does away with the ESPN site voting and, the veto system moves to this site.

If a trade goes through and someone wants to veto then they have to PM you with a reason. How many people with valid reasons will veto the trade?

What I am saying is this trade has no bearing on what happens next. If we have another trade that is vetoed (regardless of what happens with this one) I will put the system up for review. The proposed alternative is we move the veto system from ESPN to here. If I get 4 votes with valid reasons I will uphold the veto. The reason for this is to weed out any of the petty reasons to veto.

the 2 for 1 isnt factoring in your getting all your value out of one slot, he is needing two slots to acquire the same value... what is your extra slot then scoring? thats the value for u, your team is getting significantly better so i understand u have no issue with it, its why 2 for 1's r dumb moves but hey they aint my teams

That's fair enough, but the fact Holz needs a flex and isn't losing as much production from Gronk to Gates as it stands benefits him. I have depth at the TE and RB position, both guys were my starters, so basically the way it is going to work now is Gurley becomes Gio/Woodhead in my starting lineup and Gates becomes Gronk. I will then have to pick up a player to stash on my bench that will have no significant impact on my lineup for the rest of the season while Holz is getting production in two spots. The only way I could cover Gronk doing a 1 for 1 is to trade Bell but that doesn't benefit Holz since he is losing the production from Gronk. The trade that works for both teams is the 2 for 1 in this case.

[RiOtChEsS]

the 2 for 1 isnt factoring in your getting all your value out of one slot, he is needing two slots to acquire the same value... what is your extra slot then scoring? thats the value for u, your team is getting significantly better so i understand u have no issue with it, its why 2 for 1's r dumb moves but hey they aint my teams

my flex is dragging me down. I need to fill 2 spots.

I downgraded my Te but replaced him with a better then average starting TE. Then massively increased my flex postions. Thats what i was trying to do. Doing a 1 for 1 trade was useless to me as its didnt fix the problem of me having 1 inferior starting spot.

in future drafts anytime you wanna trade me your pick 14 for my pick 71 and pick 143 you let me know ok buddy :-X

[RiOtChEsS]

So let me get this straight...

If this trade and the next one get vetoed then there's a new system which does away with the ESPN site voting and, the veto system moves to this site.

If a trade goes through and someone wants to veto then they have to PM you with a reason. How many people with valid reasons will veto the trade?

What I am saying is this trade has no bearing on what happens next. If we have another trade that is vetoed (regardless of what happens with this one) I will put the system up for review. The proposed alternative is we move the veto system from ESPN to here. If I get 4 votes with valid reasons I will uphold the veto. The reason for this is to weed out any of the petty reasons to veto.

the 2 for 1 isnt factoring in your getting all your value out of one slot, he is needing two slots to acquire the same value... what is your extra slot then scoring? thats the value for u, your team is getting significantly better so i understand u have no issue with it, its why 2 for 1's r dumb moves but hey they aint my teams

That's fair enough, but the fact Holz needs a flex and isn't losing as much production from Gronk to Gates as it stands benefits him. I have depth at the TE and RB position, both guys were my starters, so basically the way it is going to work now is Gurley becomes Gio/Woodhead in my starting lineup and Gates becomes Gronk. I will then have to pick up a player to stash on my bench that will have no significant impact on my lineup for the rest of the season while Holz is getting production in two spots. The only way I could cover Gronk doing a 1 for 1 is to trade Bell but that doesn't benefit Holz since he is losing the production from Gronk. The trade that works for both teams is the 2 for 1 in this case.

hey look from your point of view its a great trade...

[Mat0369]

in future drafts anytime you wanna trade me your pick 14 for my pick 71 and pick 143 you let me know ok buddy :-X

See this is the thing, CJ Anderson was a top 10 pick, would you be trading Gronk for him right now based on that logic?

Gurley and Gates both fell in the draft due to late starts to the season and have performed like top tier players since they have returned. Where players were drafted means nothing 6 weeks into a season.

[RiOtChEsS]

in future drafts anytime you wanna trade me your pick 14 for my pick 71 and pick 143 you let me know ok buddy :-X

See this is the thing, CJ Anderson was a top 10 pick, would you be trading Gronk for him right now based on that logic?

Gurley and Gates both fell in the draft due to late starts to the season and have performed like top tier players since they have returned. Where players were drafted means nothing 6 weeks into a season.

your defending lolz, you sir have proved my point right there ;)

[Holz]

the 2 for 1 isnt factoring in your getting all your value out of one slot, he is needing two slots to acquire the same value... what is your extra slot then scoring? thats the value for u, your team is getting significantly better so i understand u have no issue with it, its why 2 for 1's r dumb moves but hey they aint my teams

my flex is dragging me down. I need to fill 2 spots.

I downgraded my Te but replaced him with a better then average starting TE. Then massively increased my flex postions. Thats what i was trying to do. Doing a 1 for 1 trade was useless to me as its didnt fix the problem of me having 1 inferior starting spot.

in future drafts anytime you wanna trade me your pick 14 for my pick 71 and pick 143 you let me know ok buddy :-X

deal

Melvin Gordon 38 for Travis Benjamin (Undrafted) +Willie Snead (Undrafted)

[Holz]

ill get this comment in now.

Watch out for TFC we have been pretty good despite sitting last, probably too late to make playoffs but I can do some damage to teams still.

[Mat0369]

You're two games out of a playoff spot, it's still quite possible to make it but you would probably be the 6 seed.

Meanwhile I have the 4th highest points for and sit in 7th and 1 game out of playoffs right now. If I beat PB this week I jump back into a playoff spot and he drops out