NBA Season 2015/16

[Andrew3747]

Regular season still not in my top 5. Can think of 3 MJ seasons, 2 LBJ seasons, 2 Shaq seasons and even KGs 1 season as better than Currys.

[Jay]

Why can't it go both ways? Curry had one of the best offensive regular seasons of all-time and fully deserved unanimous MVP. Doesn't mean he is better than LeBron. Nobody in the league is better than LeBron.

Curry got hurt and didn't deliver in the playoffs. I'll still take him any day over Durant, Irving, Davis, Westbrook etc.

Because Curry had a fantastic offensive regular season.

To me he wasnt the most valuable player to his team, nor was he the best all round player in the game.

Lebron was the most important player too his team.
I also say he was the best all round player.

The talk was he was a clear standout and the pack and all those names I could argue a case for them being above Curry.

Leonard is a better 2 way player with elite defense and pretty good offense. Curry elite scoring (not passing) and good defense.
James does it all
Anthony Davis, Kawahi Leonard  and Kyrie Irving are all much younger and not that far behind.

Even KD and Westbrook are younger.

in 10 years time we will not look back and go gee Curry was the player of that era.

He had the 8th best PER ever, his team went 73-9 yet they were outscored by 4.3 points per 100 possessions when he was off the court. He was the most valuable player this season. Is that because LeBron just paces himself through the regular season these days? Maybe. But I disagree with that we won't look back at him as an all-time great player. Honestly, I see him finishing in the top 20 all-time. One "bad" (had a higher PER than Klay, Russ and KD in the conference finals) playoffs doesn't change the fact that when you watched Steph Curry this season, you were basically watching someone playing as well as prime MJ. I certainly don't take anything away from his season because he was outplayed by one of the greatest of all-time.

serious question.

you say One bad playoffs doesnt change anything.

But my question is has he had one great playoffs?

he was pretty good last year but Lebron was the best play in the series and everyone knows that. Iggy was the best for the warriors.

what have we seen in the playoffs?

Im not saying he cant im just saying he still hasn't shown an all time great performance  in the playoffs yet.

People say Lebron is the greatest player in history of 46 minutes or greatest in the regular season then criticize him for his playoff performances, what has curry done.

Just a side note just saw lebron was #1 in points, rebounds, assist, steals, blocks for both teams in this series. The first time that has ever happend.

Well in my opinion, Curry could have been the Finals MVP last year, thought he was pretty unlucky. He was the most valuable to his team even though he wasn't putting up amazing numbers. Just the threat of his shooting alone carried the whole Warriors offense. People say LeBron had an amazing finals, yet Iggy got the MVP for guarding LeBron? Can't have that both ways.

Game 7 vs OKC: 36 points, 13/24 FG, 7/12 threes, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, +18.
Game 4 in Cleveland: 38 points, 11/25 FG, 7/13 threes, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, +10.
First game back from injury, in Portland: 40 points, 16/32 FG, 5/16 threes, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, +21. Including a record 17 points in overtime.

You can go back to his first ever playoffs, 2013. 22 points in the third quarter vs Denver. 42 points in San Antonio.

Let's not pretend like the guy sucks in the playoffs.. If he doesn't slip on Montejunas' back sweat in the Houston series, he's probably the Finals MVP right now. But those are the breaks I guess.

[Andrew3747]

LBJ was robbed and 99% of people should know that. NBA just didnt want to give it to the losing team.

[Holz]

Why can't it go both ways? Curry had one of the best offensive regular seasons of all-time and fully deserved unanimous MVP. Doesn't mean he is better than LeBron. Nobody in the league is better than LeBron.

Curry got hurt and didn't deliver in the playoffs. I'll still take him any day over Durant, Irving, Davis, Westbrook etc.

Because Curry had a fantastic offensive regular season.

To me he wasnt the most valuable player to his team, nor was he the best all round player in the game.

Lebron was the most important player too his team.
I also say he was the best all round player.

The talk was he was a clear standout and the pack and all those names I could argue a case for them being above Curry.

Leonard is a better 2 way player with elite defense and pretty good offense. Curry elite scoring (not passing) and good defense.
James does it all
Anthony Davis, Kawahi Leonard  and Kyrie Irving are all much younger and not that far behind.

Even KD and Westbrook are younger.

in 10 years time we will not look back and go gee Curry was the player of that era.

He had the 8th best PER ever, his team went 73-9 yet they were outscored by 4.3 points per 100 possessions when he was off the court. He was the most valuable player this season. Is that because LeBron just paces himself through the regular season these days? Maybe. But I disagree with that we won't look back at him as an all-time great player. Honestly, I see him finishing in the top 20 all-time. One "bad" (had a higher PER than Klay, Russ and KD in the conference finals) playoffs doesn't change the fact that when you watched Steph Curry this season, you were basically watching someone playing as well as prime MJ. I certainly don't take anything away from his season because he was outplayed by one of the greatest of all-time.

serious question.

you say One bad playoffs doesnt change anything.

But my question is has he had one great playoffs?

he was pretty good last year but Lebron was the best play in the series and everyone knows that. Iggy was the best for the warriors.

what have we seen in the playoffs?

Im not saying he cant im just saying he still hasn't shown an all time great performance  in the playoffs yet.

People say Lebron is the greatest player in history of 46 minutes or greatest in the regular season then criticize him for his playoff performances, what has curry done.

Just a side note just saw lebron was #1 in points, rebounds, assist, steals, blocks for both teams in this series. The first time that has ever happend.

Well in my opinion, Curry could have been the Finals MVP last year, thought he was pretty unlucky. He was the most valuable to his team even though he wasn't putting up amazing numbers. Just the threat of his shooting alone carried the whole Warriors offense. People say LeBron had an amazing finals, yet Iggy got the MVP for guarding LeBron? Can't have that both ways.

Game 7 vs OKC: 36 points, 13/24 FG, 7/12 threes, 5 rebounds, 8 assists, +18.
Game 4 in Cleveland: 38 points, 11/25 FG, 7/13 threes, 5 rebounds, 6 assists, +10.
First game back from injury, in Portland: 40 points, 16/32 FG, 5/16 threes, 9 rebounds, 8 assists, +21. Including a record 17 points in overtime.

You can go back to his first ever playoffs, 2013. 22 points in the third quarter vs Denver. 42 points in San Antonio.

Let's not pretend like the guy sucks in the playoffs.. If he doesn't slip on Montejunas' back sweat in the Houston series, he's probably the Finals MVP right now. But those are the breaks I guess.

he doesnt suck in playoffs. But we are talking top 20 potential. its putting too much pressure on Curry he wont live up to it. If he wasnt being compared to all these greats then I would be off his back completely.

I can put a case that Irving has shown more in the playoffs. Injured last year came out big in game 1 before going down. This year he was the second best player in the series and made one of the big clutch plays on curry.

im just saying give him time then talk.

[Jay]

LBJ was robbed and 99% of people should know that. NBA just didnt want to give it to the losing team.

Agree with this. I just operate under the assumption now that someone on a losing team will never win it.

[jvalles69]

Some good arguments going on. 

I think Curry has hit his peak now, shame that he didn't get it going earlier due to those glass ankles, but I can't see him getting better than he already is now, he can get a whole lot smarter and maturer though which could prolong what he's doing offensively, don't see GSW relinquishing the top of the West for a while though.

Durant is on the decline since his foot problems, but prior to that he was better then than Curry is now, would take prime Durant over prime Curry any day.  If he sticks with Westbrook, then I definitely see him continuing to decline, if he moves to his own team then I think he can get back to an MVP year.

Kawhi is sooo efficient in every way, but he doesn't have that ego yet that all the other superstars around him have.  He'll always be that selfless team guy I think, which might not take him to the next level unfortunately.  Depends what Pop can do with the team, but it's going to take getting rid of at least 2 of Duncan, Parker and Manu...I'd keep Duncan to come off the bench though.  There is no handing of keys here, Kawhi needs to take them.

Lebron is past his peak, but his basketball IQ is the best in the league and he knows he can lean on teammates as well as flick the turbo switch on and off when he wants.  Best in the universe.  It's funny, he seems like he's playing at his peak now, but if you go back and look at his younger years, god damn he is a beast!

Davis is an absolute stud, on a showerty team with a porcelain body, the only 2 things keeping him from already taking the top mantle because I think he has all the pieces right now to be the top dog.  No real weakness in his game now that he can hit the 3 too.

Westbrook is going to do Westbrook things with or without Durant for at least a few more years, although I can't see him getting big time success like an MVP or a title unless they can retain Durant and make some other type of big move.

Towns is the darkhorse IMO.  Has all the same tools as Davis, but at a younger age.  He could become scary good, he just soaks up information and uses it to better his game.

PSS
Game 3: Warriors scored 2 points in last 3:20.
Game 5: Warriors scored 1 points in last 6:40.
Game 7: Warriors scored 0 points in last 4:30.

That is insane defense against the best offensive team in the league...or is it a choke...I wonder?

[plumdog millionaire]

Karl Towns is gonna be a monster. One of my favourites atm

[Jay]

Karl Towns is gonna be a monster. One of my favourites atm

Yeah if I'm starting a team give me Towns over Davis and Westbrook. Leonard and Durant would be 50/50 calls.

[Cookie311993]

Karl Towns is gonna be a monster. One of my favourites atm

Yeah if I'm starting a team give me Towns over Davis and Westbrook. Leonard and Durant would be 50/50 calls.

Minnesota are building a very strong side. Wiggins and Towns are absolute machines and they have another high draft pick this year

[Andrew3747]

Davis>Towns. I dont even think its close either. Only argument would be injuries against Davis. In a vacuum a healthy Davis is easy the best C since Shaq/Hakeem.

[plumdog millionaire]

Karl Towns is gonna be a monster. One of my favourites atm

Yeah if I'm starting a team give me Towns over Davis and Westbrook. Leonard and Durant would be 50/50 calls.

Minnesota are building a very strong side. Wiggins and Towns are absolute machines and they have another high draft pick this year

Idk don't rate Wiggins very highly at the moment. They have the 5th pick too so if Bender slips that's a nice fit

[Holz]

Kawhi is sooo efficient in every way, but he doesn't have that ego yet that all the other superstars around him have.  He'll always be that selfless team guy I think, which might not take him to the next level unfortunately.  Depends what Pop can do with the team, but it's going to take getting rid of at least 2 of Duncan, Parker and Manu...I'd keep Duncan to come off the bench though.  There is no handing of keys here, Kawhi needs to take them.

does he need the ego, he reminds me very much of Duncan when he took the reigns from Robinson.

His game does the talking, he will probably never be a scoring champion but what he does on both ends of the court is amazing. At only 24 years old as well, his offense side picked up alot this year no reason it cant keep increasing, remember he has 3 years on Curry.

Durrant yeah the foot has slowed him down, agree his best is better then Curry's best. Would love to see him on a team with a passing point guard. Imagine the damage he could do say with a Chris Paul.

Imagine the damage that Lebron could do if he had his brain in the body of 26 year old lebron. It would be game over with the Jordan comparisons it would be the best basketballer ever. I just hope his body can hold up as he to me is still the best basketballer and will continue to be for a few years yet.

Towns is the sleeper but soo is Irving. It is possible he can do what curry is doing now but even greater. Curry might be the best shooter ever but Irving might have the best handles ever and he is a good shooter.

[Toga]

Kawhi is sooo efficient in every way, but he doesn't have that ego yet that all the other superstars around him have.  He'll always be that selfless team guy I think, which might not take him to the next level unfortunately.  Depends what Pop can do with the team, but it's going to take getting rid of at least 2 of Duncan, Parker and Manu...I'd keep Duncan to come off the bench though.  There is no handing of keys here, Kawhi needs to take them.

does he need the ego, he reminds me very much of Duncan when he took the reigns from Robinson.

His game does the talking, he will probably never be a scoring champion but what he does on both ends of the court is amazing. At only 24 years old as well, his offense side picked up alot this year no reason it cant keep increasing, remember he has 3 years on Curry.

Yeah, I'd argue he has to be if he wants to get to the top of the game. Elite player, but without more of a selfish mentality IMO he can't challenge to be the best.

[jvalles69]

Kawhi is sooo efficient in every way, but he doesn't have that ego yet that all the other superstars around him have.  He'll always be that selfless team guy I think, which might not take him to the next level unfortunately.  Depends what Pop can do with the team, but it's going to take getting rid of at least 2 of Duncan, Parker and Manu...I'd keep Duncan to come off the bench though.  There is no handing of keys here, Kawhi needs to take them.

does he need the ego, he reminds me very much of Duncan when he took the reigns from Robinson.

His game does the talking, he will probably never be a scoring champion but what he does on both ends of the court is amazing. At only 24 years old as well, his offense side picked up alot this year no reason it cant keep increasing, remember he has 3 years on Curry.

Yeah, I'd argue he has to be if he wants to get to the top of the game. Elite player, but without more of a selfish mentality IMO he can't challenge to be the best.

I do think he needs the ego, or to be playing alongside another player with that ego.  Fair comparison to Duncan, but Duncan was/is a leader, very vocal, very intense which I don't see in Kawhi yet either.  I need to see some sort of emotion/passion out of him to want it as bad as some of these other guys because as much as I love Kawhi, I don't see it.

[Jay]

Just finished re-watching the game and have a few thoughts looking back on it.

1. I think the Warriors' playing their centres too much may have cost them. Ezeli starting was strange to me, I just figured it was because Iggy was still hurt from last game, but then he ended up playing 37 minutes so must have been fine? And then, with 5 minutes to go they bring Ezeli back in? Season on the line and they have a lineup which has dominated everyone all season, and they choose not to go with it until about 2 minutes to go. LeBron hit a huge three in the fourth when he had Ezeli switched onto him. Along the same lines, Varejao playing 8 minutes in an NBA Finals game 7 is insane, and fittingly, he was a -9. If 6 of those minutes go to Livingston, Barbosa or both I think that would have made a huge difference. Barbosa only playing 4 minutes when he had proven this series that he could get to the basket, and also hit from deep. They didn't go small enough imo.

2. With a minute to go, Curry had Kevin Love switched onto him on the perimeter. This was the matchup that had everyone including me saying that Kevin Love can't be out there at the same time as Curry because he will just get destroyed. I counted 3 or 4 times in that possession where Curry could have blown by Love and get to the basket. And I've seen him cop some criticism for this. I'm not sure whether his knee stopped him from being able to get by a guy as slow as Love, or he just thought he could make a three like he had done all season, which is fair enough I guess.

3. I thought Lue coached a fantastic game, and was actually really good all series. He kept the faith in Love when a lot of people were saying they should go back to Jefferson. And Love rewarded them tonight, he was awesome on the offensive boards. You have to wonder whether he has now solidified his spot in Cleveland with his performance tonight? Lue also made the simple, but effective calls. For the Kyrie three with 50 seconds to go, all they did was get Curry matched up onto him and let him go to work. How many times did the Warriors do that? I can't remember them giving Curry and Iso with Kyrie even once today..

4. The LeBron block is one of the most amazing plays I've ever seen. He was literally not even in the frame when Iggy was putting the ball up off the glass. Which begs the question, better play, the LeBron block or the Ray Allen shot?